Redshirts take grievance over voting watchdog campaign to UN

[Emster23]

Take it to the UN for some action? Perhaps UN will take tough stance and tell Thailand in no uncertain terms "only one helping of sweet and sour shrimp at next banquet!"

[halloween]

Seem only the UDD taking a lead role in keeping the junta decent for the referendum. The junta should just allow the centers to function. They just there to help the junta to detect fraud. Why is the junta so afraid of transparency. They should thank the UDD for using their resources to help make the referendum credible and give the junta a better image after they staged an illegal coup and caused a global PR meltdown.

The government did allow the opening of the centers, but UDD insist on sending their observers to polling stations to monitor the polls. Only the EC can observe and monitor the polls. The public is not allowed to do so, this is why the centers were shut down. The centers were only complaint centers, so no laws broken in the first place.

Ironically you are saying why the junta was afraid of transparency, while UDD and the PTP was in the exact same boat with their Rice Scheme.

The new constitution is giving the army a even tighter grip on power, some say this is to prevent further chaos in the years to come as a great storm is brewing (things going on behind the scenes).

Either way both the DEM and PTP seems to be on the same page regarding to the new constitution.

UDD is not asking for observer status. Observer status is under the purview of the EC and under NO circumstances will they grant the UDD observer status. So far, I believed the EC has only grant ANFREL that privilege. UDD is only asking for fraud monitoring centers. Totally different definition.

How did you come to the conclusion that the rice scheme was not transparent. The media, oppositions and activists had a field day exposing the scheme and even came out with their own audit and profit and loss figures.

Agree with you on the last para. Big price for the nation to pay for one man fear. Between the DEm and PTP, Ahbisit has been quite quiet recently and very guarded on his comment of the charter. Sporadic dig but no consistency. I doubt his sincerity.

1/ the UDD wants to make the referendum credible and help the government.......blah blah blah. Even you don't believe that, or that the UDD is impartial.

2/ "The media, oppositions and activists had a field day exposing the scheme and even came out with their own audit and profit and loss figures." Whereas, the government did not. That is what transparent means.

[TKDfella]

maybe while they are at it they could explain to the UN who they are - who voted them into office - who funds them and why, what gives them the right to act in any official manner or represt others and what they have done and are responsible for over the last decade

Somebody has to say something. Do you trust the current government to carry out anything that is fair or impartial ? If the good general truly wants to reform the Thai government and reconciliation, why does he resist some sort of oversight ?

Anybody with an ounce of Intelligence knows the reason the Army took over and why the General was made PM, and it's got nothing at all to do with the happiness of the Thai people.

It's more to do with the happiness and security of just a few ultra wealthy and privileged Thai people.

I doubt very much Prayut wanted to become Prime Minister, I would wager he was quite content in his previous position, it certainly paid well, he's worth an absolute fortune and there's not a chance he could ever account for his total seeable wealth, and that's not even touching his no doubt incredible unseen wealth hidden away in foreign accounts, being PM has put him under scrutiny, laws have been made to protect him from accountability, for now that is, until he's of no use to the people that really control Thailand and it's wealth.

Difficult position for him really, he has got away with blatant mass corruption, laws have been created to protect him, the only people who can say anything or do anything about him won't do anything as long as he does what he's told, if he doesn't he stands a good chance of losing everything, because his replacement who will do what they are told would be in his seat in an instant while he awaits investigation as to how he became so incredibly rich.

I doubt he wanted this at all.

In other words you think the PM is just a puppet...and you may well be right. It's happened elsewhere so why not here. The other point is that it's a dangerous position should anyone wish the worst.

[brucec64]

maybe while they are at it they could explain to the UN who they are - who voted them into office - who funds them and why, what gives them the right to act in any official manner or represt others and what they have done and are responsible for over the last decade

You're talking about the junta, right?

[GeckosDiving]

Send in the CLOWNS !! "Oh" wait their on their way to the UN but BOZO is still in Dubai looking after the camels........

[Eric Loh]

Seem only the UDD taking a lead role in keeping the junta decent for the referendum. The junta should just allow the centers to function. They just there to help the junta to detect fraud. Why is the junta so afraid of transparency. They should thank the UDD for using their resources to help make the referendum credible and give the junta a better image after they staged an illegal coup and caused a global PR meltdown.

The government did allow the opening of the centers, but UDD insist on sending their observers to polling stations to monitor the polls. Only the EC can observe and monitor the polls. The public is not allowed to do so, this is why the centers were shut down. The centers were only complaint centers, so no laws broken in the first place.

Ironically you are saying why the junta was afraid of transparency, while UDD and the PTP was in the exact same boat with their Rice Scheme.

The new constitution is giving the army a even tighter grip on power, some say this is to prevent further chaos in the years to come as a great storm is brewing (things going on behind the scenes).

Either way both the DEM and PTP seems to be on the same page regarding to the new constitution.

UDD is not asking for observer status. Observer status is under the purview of the EC and under NO circumstances will they grant the UDD observer status. So far, I believed the EC has only grant ANFREL that privilege. UDD is only asking for fraud monitoring centers. Totally different definition.

How did you come to the conclusion that the rice scheme was not transparent. The media, oppositions and activists had a field day exposing the scheme and even came out with their own audit and profit and loss figures.

Agree with you on the last para. Big price for the nation to pay for one man fear. Between the DEm and PTP, Ahbisit has been quite quiet recently and very guarded on his comment of the charter. Sporadic dig but no consistency. I doubt his sincerity.

1/ the UDD wants to make the referendum credible and help the government.......blah blah blah. Even you don't believe that, or that the UDD is impartial.

2/ "The media, oppositions and activists had a field day exposing the scheme and even came out with their own audit and profit and loss figures." Whereas, the government did not. That is what transparent means.

The UDD is impartial. So what's the fear having them monitoring. After all who will believe them. Might as well allow them and creat some credibility by having groups from various sides monitoring the referendum. Well unless you are insecure and intend to fraud.

Can't be a serious question. Which country don't audit the government ministries and prepare a budget each and every year. But for you, I tell you that the MOF audited the scheme.

[Artisi]

And the UN might say, "we are not your father, suggest you go back home and suck mommy's titties, that might pacify you for awhile.

[Winniedapu]

Seem only the UDD taking a lead role in keeping the junta decent for the referendum. The junta should just allow the centers to function. They just there to help the junta to detect fraud. Why is the junta so afraid of transparency. They should thank the UDD for using their resources to help make the referendum credible and give the junta a better image after they staged an illegal coup and caused a global PR meltdown.

The government did allow the opening of the centers, but UDD insist on sending their observers to polling stations to monitor the polls. Only the EC can observe and monitor the polls. The public is not allowed to do so, this is why the centers were shut down. The centers were only complaint centers, so no laws broken in the first place.

Ironically you are saying why the junta was afraid of transparency, while UDD and the PTP was in the exact same boat with their Rice Scheme.

The new constitution is giving the army a even tighter grip on power, some say this is to prevent further chaos in the years to come as a great storm is brewing (things going on behind the scenes).

Either way both the DEM and PTP seems to be on the same page regarding to the new constitution.

UDD is not asking for observer status. Observer status is under the purview of the EC and under NO circumstances will they grant the UDD observer status. So far, I believed the EC has only grant ANFREL that privilege. UDD is only asking for fraud monitoring centers. Totally different definition.

How did you come to the conclusion that the rice scheme was not transparent. The media, oppositions and activists had a field day exposing the scheme and even came out with their own audit and profit and loss figures.

Agree with you on the last para. Big price for the nation to pay for one man fear. Between the DEm and PTP, Ahbisit has been quite quiet recently and very guarded on his comment of the charter. Sporadic dig but no consistency. I doubt his sincerity.

1/ the UDD wants to make the referendum credible and help the government.......blah blah blah. Even you don't believe that, or that the UDD is impartial.

2/ "The media, oppositions and activists had a field day exposing the scheme and even came out with their own audit and profit and loss figures." Whereas, the government did not. That is what transparent means.

Alright, who opened the court jester's box and let him out? Own up!

Now he'll be juggling his balls and muttering gibberish for the rest of the day. He might even cast the Thaksin spell, and it'll be all your fault.

Honestly, as if da DJ wasn't enough repayment for bad karma. It's just depressing...

Winnie

Edited June 22, 2016 by Winniedapu

[mike324]

Seem only the UDD taking a lead role in keeping the junta decent for the referendum. The junta should just allow the centers to function. They just there to help the junta to detect fraud. Why is the junta so afraid of transparency. They should thank the UDD for using their resources to help make the referendum credible and give the junta a better image after they staged an illegal coup and caused a global PR meltdown.

The government did allow the opening of the centers, but UDD insist on sending their observers to polling stations to monitor the polls. Only the EC can observe and monitor the polls. The public is not allowed to do so, this is why the centers were shut down. The centers were only complaint centers, so no laws broken in the first place.

Ironically you are saying why the junta was afraid of transparency, while UDD and the PTP was in the exact same boat with their Rice Scheme.

The new constitution is giving the army a even tighter grip on power, some say this is to prevent further chaos in the years to come as a great storm is brewing (things going on behind the scenes).

Either way both the DEM and PTP seems to be on the same page regarding to the new constitution.

UDD is not asking for observer status. Observer status is under the purview of the EC and under NO circumstances will they grant the UDD observer status. So far, I believed the EC has only grant ANFREL that privilege. UDD is only asking for fraud monitoring centers. Totally different definition.

How did you come to the conclusion that the rice scheme was not transparent. The media, oppositions and activists had a field day exposing the scheme and even came out with their own audit and profit and loss figures.

Agree with you on the last para. Big price for the nation to pay for one man fear. Between the DEm and PTP, Ahbisit has been quite quiet recently and very guarded on his comment of the charter. Sporadic dig but no consistency. I doubt his sincerity.

UDD wants to monitor the polls, NOT just open fraud monitoring centers. Go read the articles again. The reason why the centers were shut down was because UDD specifically said they will send people from the centers to the poll center if they receive a complaint. According to law public can't monitor the poll, only the EC can. Yes EC will not grant UDD observer status, but UDD insist they will be there, hence that is why government is taking action.

Which part of the Rice Scheme was transparent? The PTP refused to release the rice sales figure for two years! Do you need to point you to the link as well? The media had a field day after close to two years!

[scorecard]

They just need to be patient....

And wait for that "mature democracy".

Sorry but:

- I don't believe the red leaders goal is mature democracy.

- I don't believe the red leaders understand the concept, the universally accepted processes of democracy or the pillars and check and balances.

- i don't believe they want to understand it - they have their own selfish goals and they don't accept anything else.

- I don't believe they would even accept nor respect real democracy if it did happen in Thailand, because it's not their ultimate goal.

- They mention and spruke about democracy continuously but their own organization is not based on democratic principles at all. They have no democratic credibility.

[scorecard]

Alright, who opened the court jester's box and let him out? Own up!

Now he'll be juggling his balls and muttering gibberish for the rest of the day. He might even cast the Thaksin spell, and it'll be all your fault.

Honestly, as if da DJ wasn't enough repayment for bad karma. It's just depressing...

Winnie

Wow winnie, another of your attack the poster with nasty messages with no substance about the thread / topic.

But I guess it keeps your post count up.

Obvious your aiming for the highest number of posts per day, week, month....

And by the way winnie, do you believe the red / udd thugs are really genuine about their claimed purpose in monitoring the referendum sites and that they are impartial?

Edited June 22, 2016 by scorecard

[ratcatcher]

Maybe the headline should read:

" Local Army chief in Khon Kaen decides it's time to show he is the boss!"

Sounds like there is too many Indians and not enough Chief's

One can say a lot of things about the RTA, some complimentary, some less so, but one accusation which really cannot be levelled at them is to suggest that they have too many "Indians" and not enough "Chiefs"!

Generally speaking, that's perfectly true.

[Netease]

maybe while they are at it they could explain to the UN who they are - who voted them into office - who funds them and why, what gives them the right to act in any official manner or represt others and what they have done and are responsible for over the last decade

what's that got to do with their complaint

[halloween]

The UDD is impartial. So what's the fear having them monitoring. After all who will believe them. Might as well allow them and creat some credibility by having groups from various sides monitoring the referendum. Well unless you are insecure and intend to fraud.

Can't be a serious question. Which country don't audit the government ministries and prepare a budget each and every year. But for you, I tell you that the MOF audited the scheme.

The UDD is a propaganda and mis-information organisation owned and funded by Thaksin. That is how its leader, Jatuporn managed to accumulate B8.2 million (declared) as a political activist.

Other countries prepare a budget, but the rice scam was off-budget, allegedly self-financing. No government figures were released as to its success/failure, other than spoken lies and evasions from Yingluk.

[khunken]

Question (rhetorical probably): What anti-fraud monitoring experience have the UDD got?

Did they monitor the Red-shirt villages that they set up & in which way was their monitoring?

Did they monitor the voting in the last election or were some of them involved in intimidating non-PTP candidates from canvassing in certain areas?

Did they blow the whistle on any vote buying in previous elections or did colour-blindness set in?

Edited June 22, 2016 by khunken

[khunken]

The UDD is impartial. So what's the fear having them monitoring. After all who will believe them. Might as well allow them and creat some credibility by having groups from various sides monitoring the referendum. Well unless you are insecure and intend to fraud.

Can't be a serious question. Which country don't audit the government ministries and prepare a budget each and every year. But for you, I tell you that the MOF audited the scheme.

The UDD is a propaganda and mis-information organisation owned and funded by Thaksin. That is how its leader, Jatuporn managed to accumulate B8.2 million (declared) as a political activist.

Other countries prepare a budget, but the rice scam was off-budget, allegedly self-financing. No government figures were released as to its success/failure, other than spoken lies and evasions from Yingluk.

Aw come on Halloween don't forget the white lies from Kittirat!!!!!!!

[Netease]

They just need to be patient....

And wait for that "mature democracy".

Sorry but:

- I don't believe the red leaders goal is mature democracy.

- I don't believe the red leaders understand the concept, the universally accepted processes of democracy or the pillars and check and balances.

- i don't believe they want to understand it - they have their own selfish goals and they don't accept anything else.

- I don't believe they would even accept nor respect real democracy if it did happen in Thailand, because it's not their ultimate goal.

- They mention and spruke about democracy continuously but their own organization is not based on democratic principles at all. They have no democratic credibility.

you didn't score any points with that quote

[Netease]

Question (rhetorical probably): What anti-fraud monitoring experience have the UDD got?

Did they monitor the Red-shirt villages that they set up & in which way was their monitoring?

Did they monitor the voting in the last election or were some of them involved in intimidating non-PTP candidates from canvassing in certain areas?

Did they blow the whistle on any vote buying in previous elections or did colour-blindness set in?

Answer No

[Broken Record]

maybe while they are at it they could explain to the UN who they are - who voted them into office - who funds them and why, what gives them the right to act in any official manner or represt others and what they have done and are responsible for over the last decade

Somebody has to say something. Do you trust the current government to carry out anything that is fair or impartial ? If the good general truly wants to reform the Thai government and reconciliation, why does he resist some sort of oversight ?

Anybody with an ounce of Intelligence knows the reason the Army took over and why the General was made PM, and it's got nothing at all to do with the happiness of the Thai people.

It's more to do with the happiness and security of just a few ultra wealthy and privileged Thai people.

I doubt very much Prayut wanted to become Prime Minister, I would wager he was quite content in his previous position, it certainly paid well, he's worth an absolute fortune and there's not a chance he could ever account for his total seeable wealth, and that's not even touching his no doubt incredible unseen wealth hidden away in foreign accounts, being PM has put him under scrutiny, laws have been made to protect him from accountability, for now that is, until he's of no use to the people that really control Thailand and it's wealth.

Difficult position for him really, he has got away with blatant mass corruption, laws have been created to protect him, the only people who can say anything or do anything about him won't do anything as long as he does what he's told, if he doesn't he stands a good chance of losing everything, because his replacement who will do what they are told would be in his seat in an instant while he awaits investigation as to how he became so incredibly rich.

I doubt he wanted this at all.

In other words you think the PM is just a puppet...and you may well be right. It's happened elsewhere so why not here. The other point is that it's a dangerous position should anyone wish the worst.

That's why the defamation laws were tightened up, social media is being suppressed, Family and close associates were appointed into positions of power, he has to do this to try to protect himself, but if the order comes from above he's toast no matter how many friends he's given jobs to.

If I had his wealth I could think of a lot better things to do than be under scrutiny, the spotlight and the pressure, he's not a young man, but he has to do what he's told, previously he was given a place in the trough and his obvious corruption has been overlooked, now the untouchables are calling in their man to do his bit in keeping them in their place and the rest of the population in theirs, by force if necessary, I almost feel sorry for him, he's no politician that's for sure, but he has to do it.

[tuanku]

maybe while they are at it they could explain to the UN who they are - who voted them into office - who funds them and why, what gives them the right to act in any official manner or represt others and what they have done and are responsible for over the last decade

You mean like being part of a grouping that has won every free election since the turn of the millenium and been ousted by 2 military coups?

[Eric Loh]

The UDD is impartial. So what's the fear having them monitoring. After all who will believe them. Might as well allow them and creat some credibility by having groups from various sides monitoring the referendum. Well unless you are insecure and intend to fraud.

Can't be a serious question. Which country don't audit the government ministries and prepare a budget each and every year. But for you, I tell you that the MOF audited the scheme.

The UDD is a propaganda and mis-information organisation owned and funded by Thaksin. That is how its leader, Jatuporn managed to accumulate B8.2 million (declared) as a political activist.

Other countries prepare a budget, but the rice scam was off-budget, allegedly self-financing. No government figures were released as to its success/failure, other than spoken lies and evasions from Yingluk.

Bringing democracy back is never cheap. Worth all the money. Anyway cost less than the damage done by coups.

Of course Yingluck deny and question the audit done by Finance Ministry. All governments have fair share of denials just like the this government denying corruptions among their midst.

[Winniedapu]

Your leader and sponsor once said, "The UN is not my father"!

But but but... Thaksin.

W

But the remark is 100% valid, Thaksin the leader of the redshirts told the UN not to interfere and said its not my father and now when it suits him he will gladly use them. Just showing how hypocrite they all are.

When in power.. back off UN.... when not in power.. playing the victim using the UN.

The remark might be valid and true and all that high-sounding stuff, but it is completely irrelevant and at least 12 years old. It might be a boost if everyone tried to stick to stuff that is less than a decade old, and let go of the Thaksin obsession. After all, why just be an obsessive if you've got a good brain and can use it? Obsessions suck your mind out.

Winnie

Edited June 22, 2016 by Winniedapu

[2fishin2]

maybe while they are at it they could explain to the UN who they are - who voted them into office - who funds them and why, what gives them the right to act in any official manner or represt others and what they have done and are responsible for over the last decade

You are correct....for the Junta.

[halloween]

The remark might be valid and true and all that high-sounding stuff, but it is completely irrelevant and at least 12 years old. It might be a boost if everyone tried to stick to stuff that is less than a decade old, and let go of the Thaksin obsession. After all, why just be an obsessive if you've got a good brain and can use it? Obsessions suck your mind out.

Winnie

People with a reliable memory are far too inconvenient for Shinawatra apologists. All the corruption, the lies, the crooked deals, the incited violence, the electoral bribes, just keep coming back to haunt you. What's a sycophant to do?

Oh yeah, keep saying they're the ones that a stupid and have lost their marbles. That'll work. That and digression, diversion, obfuscation and denial, denial, denial. Good luck with that, you'll need it.

[Winniedapu]

The remark might be valid and true and all that high-sounding stuff, but it is completely irrelevant and at least 12 years old. It might be a boost if everyone tried to stick to stuff that is less than a decade old, and let go of the Thaksin obsession. After all, why just be an obsessive if you've got a good brain and can use it? Obsessions suck your mind out.

Winnie

People with a reliable memory are far too inconvenient for Shinawatra apologists. All the corruption, the lies, the crooked deals, the incited violence, the electoral bribes, just keep coming back to haunt you. What's a sycophant to do?

Oh yeah, keep saying they're the ones that a stupid and have lost their marbles. That'll work. That and digression, diversion, obfuscation and denial, denial, denial. Good luck with that, you'll need it.

Ah grasshopper, the idiom of this post clearly shows who you wish to learn from.

Progress. Don't be embarrassed.

W

[Moonmoon]

Politics is always denial no matter which party u r from, no matter who you are. A good politician will always deny deny deny and only acknowledge his good deeds and take credit where there is none. get used to it. ALL SIDES all parties are bad. i support no government lol

[JAG]

Anybody with an ounce of Intelligence knows the reason the Army took over and why the General was made PM, and it's got nothing at all to do with the happiness of the Thai people.

It's more to do with the happiness and security of just a few ultra wealthy and privileged Thai people.

I doubt very much Prayut wanted to become Prime Minister, I would wager he was quite content in his previous position, it certainly paid well, he's worth an absolute fortune and there's not a chance he could ever account for his total seeable wealth, and that's not even touching his no doubt incredible unseen wealth hidden away in foreign accounts, being PM has put him under scrutiny, laws have been made to protect him from accountability, for now that is, until he's of no use to the people that really control Thailand and it's wealth.

Difficult position for him really, he has got away with blatant mass corruption, laws have been created to protect him, the only people who can say anything or do anything about him won't do anything as long as he does what he's told, if he doesn't he stands a good chance of losing everything, because his replacement who will do what they are told would be in his seat in an instant while he awaits investigation as to how he became so incredibly rich.

I doubt he wanted this at all.

In other words you think the PM is just a puppet...and you may well be right. It's happened elsewhere so why not here. The other point is that it's a dangerous position should anyone wish the worst.

That's why the defamation laws were tightened up, social media is being suppressed, Family and close associates were appointed into positions of power, he has to do this to try to protect himself, but if the order comes from above he's toast no matter how many friends he's given jobs to.

If I had his wealth I could think of a lot better things to do than be under scrutiny, the spotlight and the pressure, he's not a young man, but he has to do what he's told, previously he was given a place in the trough and his obvious corruption has been overlooked, now the untouchables are calling in their man to do his bit in keeping them in their place and the rest of the population in theirs, by force if necessary, I almost feel sorry for him, he's no politician that's for sure, but he has to do it.

Looked at that way he is in a bit of a spot isn't he?

Sympathy is to be found in the dictionary, between sh*t and syphillis

My heart pumps purple p*ss

[Winniedapu]

Anybody with an ounce of Intelligence knows the reason the Army took over and why the General was made PM, and it's got nothing at all to do with the happiness of the Thai people.

It's more to do with the happiness and security of just a few ultra wealthy and privileged Thai people.

I doubt very much Prayut wanted to become Prime Minister, I would wager he was quite content in his previous position, it certainly paid well, he's worth an absolute fortune and there's not a chance he could ever account for his total seeable wealth, and that's not even touching his no doubt incredible unseen wealth hidden away in foreign accounts, being PM has put him under scrutiny, laws have been made to protect him from accountability, for now that is, until he's of no use to the people that really control Thailand and it's wealth.

Difficult position for him really, he has got away with blatant mass corruption, laws have been created to protect him, the only people who can say anything or do anything about him won't do anything as long as he does what he's told, if he doesn't he stands a good chance of losing everything, because his replacement who will do what they are told would be in his seat in an instant while he awaits investigation as to how he became so incredibly rich.

I doubt he wanted this at all.

In other words you think the PM is just a puppet...and you may well be right. It's happened elsewhere so why not here. The other point is that it's a dangerous position should anyone wish the worst.

That's why the defamation laws were tightened up, social media is being suppressed, Family and close associates were appointed into positions of power, he has to do this to try to protect himself, but if the order comes from above he's toast no matter how many friends he's given jobs to.

If I had his wealth I could think of a lot better things to do than be under scrutiny, the spotlight and the pressure, he's not a young man, but he has to do what he's told, previously he was given a place in the trough and his obvious corruption has been overlooked, now the untouchables are calling in their man to do his bit in keeping them in their place and the rest of the population in theirs, by force if necessary, I almost feel sorry for him, he's no politician that's for sure, but he has to do it.

Looked at that way he is in a bit of a spot isn't he?

Sympathy is to be found in the dictionary, between sh*t and syphillis

My heart pumps purple p*ss

As does mine... ah that's better, it just stopped.

But it's all going to be such fun. Wonderful entertainment, you couldn't get this much laughter in Billy Smart's Circus.

W

[Winniedapu]

Anybody with an ounce of Intelligence knows the reason the Army took over and why the General was made PM, and it's got nothing at all to do with the happiness of the Thai people.

It's more to do with the happiness and security of just a few ultra wealthy and privileged Thai people.

I doubt very much Prayut wanted to become Prime Minister, I would wager he was quite content in his previous position, it certainly paid well, he's worth an absolute fortune and there's not a chance he could ever account for his total seeable wealth, and that's not even touching his no doubt incredible unseen wealth hidden away in foreign accounts, being PM has put him under scrutiny, laws have been made to protect him from accountability, for now that is, until he's of no use to the people that really control Thailand and it's wealth.

Difficult position for him really, he has got away with blatant mass corruption, laws have been created to protect him, the only people who can say anything or do anything about him won't do anything as long as he does what he's told, if he doesn't he stands a good chance of losing everything, because his replacement who will do what they are told would be in his seat in an instant while he awaits investigation as to how he became so incredibly rich.

I doubt he wanted this at all.

In other words you think the PM is just a puppet...and you may well be right. It's happened elsewhere so why not here. The other point is that it's a dangerous position should anyone wish the worst.

That's why the defamation laws were tightened up, social media is being suppressed, Family and close associates were appointed into positions of power, he has to do this to try to protect himself, but if the order comes from above he's toast no matter how many friends he's given jobs to.

If I had his wealth I could think of a lot better things to do than be under scrutiny, the spotlight and the pressure, he's not a young man, but he has to do what he's told, previously he was given a place in the trough and his obvious corruption has been overlooked, now the untouchables are calling in their man to do his bit in keeping them in their place and the rest of the population in theirs, by force if necessary, I almost feel sorry for him, he's no politician that's for sure, but he has to do it.

Looked at that way he is in a bit of a spot isn't he?

Sympathy is to be found in the dictionary, between sh*t and syphillis

My heart pumps purple p*ss

As does mine... ah that's better, it just stopped.

But it's all going to be such fun. Wonderful entertainment, you couldn't get this much slapstick from Charlie Chaplin.

W

[jayboy]

The remark might be valid and true and all that high-sounding stuff, but it is completely irrelevant and at least 12 years old. It might be a boost if everyone tried to stick to stuff that is less than a decade old, and let go of the Thaksin obsession. After all, why just be an obsessive if you've got a good brain and can use it? Obsessions suck your mind out.

Winnie

People with a reliable memory are far too inconvenient for Shinawatra apologists. All the corruption, the lies, the crooked deals, the incited violence, the electoral bribes, just keep coming back to haunt you. What's a sycophant to do?

Oh yeah, keep saying they're the ones that a stupid and have lost their marbles. That'll work. That and digression, diversion, obfuscation and denial, denial, denial. Good luck with that, you'll need it.

At some level even those with blinkered vision must understand that the widespread opposition to military rule is not limited to Shinawatra apologists.

As to monitoring of the referendum I very much doubt there will be irregularities in the voting process.It is actually now quite difficult to rig elections in Thailand.The problem is the restriction of freedom to debate and discuss in the run up.I don't really see that international or domestic observers can alter that.Legitimacy is already extinguished.