Beach walkway from Nth Rd to Central Rd.

[petermik]

6 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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And it's fun also to point out that there's now quite a sufficiency of shade on the new promenade. Foot traffic is as good or better than it was even with the diminished coconut bar activity. :) Jeez.

You must be talking about a different Beach Rd if you think "there,s now quite a sufficiency of shade on the new promenade" you sure your talking about Pattaya

[thaibeachlovers]

48 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

 

And how many times, after all. Sigh. But this is excellent progress: the sudden revelation that "they" don't care what we think. Most commendable. OK, there's one more major logical conclusion yet to be drawn . . . but where would be the fun in that. :)

 

 

I thought nowadays you're very conscious about posters staying on topic. Your topic doesn't extend farther than Central Rd. You're screwed!

 

Well, we're just gon' grasp at every straw to deny reality. So painful, eh. Having often driven Beach Rd. for many years, all seasons, all conditions, I know that traffic flow is far better now with the extra lane even given the increase in tour buses--which would absolutely choke the narrower version before the bottleneck. So, guess you'll have to either suck it up or remain a, ah, traffic flow Truther, LOL. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this topic, being the driver.

 

Now to get, like, really really technical for you, I'm of course talking about all of Beach Rd. up to Central Rd. but also to the bottleneck at the end. Now if an extra lane at the end would speed up traffic at the bottleneck, then an extra lane before the bottleneck must have helped the flow up to that point. :)

 

I'm gratified that our ace urban planners and traffic engineers have taken my cue to roll out the the real solution for the thousandth time. :) And it's finally been discovered that lo! corruption of all things exists in our beloved cesspool! Now that in itself is invaluable, "insider" information.

 

Now what's gone terribly missing in this recitation of old mantras is: the denunciation of the sewage pump! Get on it. Another piece of critical evidence, a nail in the coffin in forum-speak, in the great ongoing campaign to prove, once & for all, that Pattaya is physically, positively, absolutely (w/ apologies to the Munchkins) NOT no family resort! Ah ha! So there.

 

And it's fun also to point out that there's now quite a sufficiency of shade on the new promenade. Foot traffic is as good or better than it was even with the diminished coconut bar activity. :) Jeez.

Hmmmmm. I'm certain I read a post of yours stating that you don't drive on Beach Rd. I hope I can find it when I have nothing else to do for a few hours.

 

I like the bottleneck, as it's the only thing allowing one to cross the road in safety. If they ever remove it, it will be extremely difficult to cross without imminent chance of death.

 

Sewage pump???????

I didn't see a sewage pump when I was down that end.

 

There may be more shade now the old growth trees have recovered a bit, but unless one take's one's own chair, there isn't any seating for most of the walkway.

The walkway was never just about walking.

[petermik]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

 

There may be more shade now the old growth trees have recovered a bit, but unless one take's one's own chair, there isn't any seating for most of the walkway.

The walkway was never just about walking.

The "old" walkway was raised up in places which helped in reducing the the onrushing floodwater pouring down klang,it used to be used by  thai families at the weekend on the raised grass verges under the shade of the trees having a picnic....now its just a bloody monstrosity that any council outside thailand would be hanging their heads in shame and demanding answers from the department head that approved the plans.

Does no-one from City Hall ever walk down there and take a look

[phycokiller]

28 minutes ago, petermik said:

The "old" walkway was raised up in places which helped in reducing the the onrushing floodwater pouring down klang,it used to be used by  thai families at the weekend on the raised grass verges under the shade of the trees having a picnic....now its just a bloody monstrosity that any council outside thailand would be hanging their heads in shame and demanding answers from the department head that approved the plans.

Does no-one from City Hall ever walk down there and take a look

nope, I guarantee they dont step out of their cars, they arent common plebs you know

[Awohalitsiktoli]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

And how many times, after all. Sigh. But this is excellent progress: the sudden revelation that "they" don't care what we think. Most commendable. OK, there's one more major logical conclusion yet to be drawn . . . but where would be the fun in that. :)

 

 

I thought nowadays you're very conscious about posters staying on topic. Your topic doesn't extend farther than Central Rd. You're screwed!

 

Well, we're just gon' grasp at every straw to deny reality. So painful, eh. Having often driven Beach Rd. for many years, all seasons, all conditions, I know that traffic flow is far better now with the extra lane even given the increase in tour buses--which would absolutely choke the narrower version before the bottleneck. So, guess you'll have to either suck it up or remain a, ah, traffic flow Truther, LOL. I'm happy to agree to disagree on this topic, being the driver.

 

Now to get, like, really really technical for you, I'm of course talking about all of Beach Rd. up to Central Rd. but also to the bottleneck at the end. Now if an extra lane at the end would speed up traffic at the bottleneck, then an extra lane before the bottleneck must have helped the flow up to that point. :)

 

I'm gratified that our ace urban planners and traffic engineers have taken my cue to roll out the the real solution for the thousandth time. :) And it's finally been discovered that lo! corruption of all things exists in our beloved cesspool! Now that in itself is invaluable, "insider" information.

 

Now what's gone terribly missing in this recitation of old mantras is: the denunciation of the sewage pump! Get on it. Another piece of critical evidence, a nail in the coffin in forum-speak, in the great ongoing campaign to prove, once & for all, that Pattaya is physically, positively, absolutely (w/ apologies to the Munchkins) NOT no family resort! Ah ha! So there.

 

And it's fun also to point out that there's now quite a sufficiency of shade on the new promenade. Foot traffic is as good or better than it was even with the diminished coconut bar activity. :) Jeez.

NPD: narcissistic personality disorder

[JSixpack]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hmmmmm. I'm certain I read a post of yours stating that you don't drive on Beach Rd. I hope I can find it when I have nothing else to do for a few hours.

 

Please spend at least the rest of this week looking for that. Yet your memory is proving one of the least reliable among our old . . . never mind. Earlier you even said that I said I drive a car. Good luck!

 

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Sewage pump???????

 

I didn't see a sewage pump when I was down that end.

 

You may have confused your ends, but more likely, as I said, memory issues. Or can it be--vision again??? But man, HOW could you miss that utterly loathsome facility and enjoy the additional bash? Stink and brown streaks in the sea menacing our snowflakes! Ooooh.

 

Or can it (cough) possibly be that the pumping station has just horrors! UP & DISAPPEARED (corrupt City Hall!) and spoiled some of the old fun? OH NO. Now we're just gonna claim that it's there even if has disappeared. It's that good. Now here's a guy daring to claim that Pattaya's air is nicer than BKK's. Wrong! Pumping station!

 

On Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 9:08 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

  On Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 8:32 PM, bbi1 said:

  On Tuesday, January 05, 2016 at 7:13 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Some people need to wake up and smell the sewage stink on Beach Rd.

"sewage stink on Beach Rd" - I guess you've never been or lived in BKK. The sewage stink & pollution of BKK is terrible while Pattaya is heaven compared to BKK. The air is so much nicer...

Obviously you have never passed by the pumping station by the entrance to walking Street.

     --http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/879815-pattaya-is-dead/?page=19#comment-10274429

 

 

 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

 

 

 

You may have confused your ends, but more likely, as I said, memory issues. Or can it be--vision again??? But man, HOW could you miss that utterly loathsome facility and enjoy the additional bash? Stink and brown streaks in the sea menacing our snowflakes! Ooooh.

 

Or can it (cough) possibly be that the pumping station has just horrors! UP & DISAPPEARED (corrupt City Hall!) and spoiled some of the old fun? OH NO. Now we're just gonna claim that it's there even if has disappeared. It's that good. Now here's a guy daring to claim that Pattaya's air is nicer than BKK's. Wrong! Pumping station!

 

     --http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/879815-pattaya-is-dead/?page=19#comment-10274429

 

 

 

 

 

The pumping STATION is not the same as a PUMP. Get it right.

There was a PUMP on the walkway last time I was in Pattaya.

[JSixpack]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The pumping STATION is not the same as a PUMP. Get it right.

There was a PUMP on the walkway last time I was in Pattaya.

 

Oh, I don't keep track of your visits to Pattaya. But you are in this thread now expounding on the current state of Beach Rd. And something's missing.

 

On January 5, not so long ago, you said there was a (cough) pumping station by entrance to Walking Street (which happens to be there at the walkway, at the bottleneck (in which you profess expertise) so vile that it makes the air in Pattaya even worse than that in Bangkok! OMG.

 

Now since it is pumping, and pumping sewage, you can figure out that it does so via a sewage PUMP, as distinguished from a mere odorless lil' ol water pump. And even you, uh, can't, and wish to nitpick, you've still omitted--even now--from this round of bashes the denunciation of the pumping STATION that has such a tremendous effect on the air in Pattaya. My point is that such omission leaves the thread woefully incomplete and represents a missed opportunity for further enjoyment.

 

Is it, like, still there, offending delicate nostrils and polluting the sea with brown--you haven't even touched on Pattaya's awful stink yet, that sewage stink on Beach Rd. Or must we merely pretend it's still there for rhetorical purposes, as we must pretend another lane hasn't improved the traffic flow on Beach Rd.? In either case, as I said, get on it, man.

[JSixpack]

2 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

LOL. Years later, JS is still belligerently proud of 'New Beach Walkway' AKA The Disaster.

 

Huh? The evidence is that traffic flow has in fact improved and there's sufficient shade so that the number of tourists using the promenade is normal for the current tourist demographic. A few disgruntled TV members, whom I find most entertaining, don't significantly affect that number. :) Just the way it is, that's all. Come high season, sit across Beach Rd., as I often do, and check it out for yourself. Maybe I'll post a few pics again then. Last time, I did that, showing the inconceivable--tourists on the promenade, sitting in bars, on the beach, and even stop lights working and traffic stopping--it caused a great deal of teeth gnashing and knickers twisting, however. Do I really want to put our posters through such agony again?

[Awohalitsiktoli]

15 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

LOL. Years later, JS is still belligerently proud of 'New Beach Walkway' AKA The Disaster.

People who suffer from narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) never make mistakes and are never wrong.   And they attack people who disagree with their view of the world.  It is pointless to argue with people with NPD.

[johng]

[fforest1]

The promenade was a wonderful place to relax during the day

time before....Now its a crap place during the day....
 

Yes its a slightly better crap sense the trees have grown out..

But

A slightly better crap is still crap...

[brewsterbudgen]

23 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

The promenade was a wonderful place to relax during the day

time before....Now its a crap place during the day....
 

Yes its a slightly better crap sense the trees have grown out..

But

A slightly better crap is still crap...

 

Wasn't the idea to make it a promenade (i.e. for walking) rather than a place for prostitutes and other undesirables to loiter?

[fforest1]

19 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Wasn't the idea to make it a promenade (i.e. for walking) rather than a place for prostitutes and other undesirables to loiter?

 

Most of the undesirables are still there...

Its the regular folks that they managed to drive away in great numbers..

 

Regular folks dont find the stark barren seatless promenade appealing..

But the undesirables it does not seem to bother them much at all...

[thaibeachlovers]

48 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Wasn't the idea to make it a promenade (i.e. for walking) rather than a place for prostitutes and other undesirables to loiter?

No. It was the barking idea that someone had to make Pattaya the Riviera on Pattaya Bay, so they could cash in. Mind you that was back when the Russians were still spending large. Now that it's zero $ Chinese package tours the situation has changed somewhat.

 

I see that you consider that the people that created Pattaya as it is to be undesirables- shades of Clinton there 555555555555555.

Without the girls etc Pattaya would be nothing more than a grotty fishing town like can be found most places on Thailand's coasts.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎02‎.‎10‎.‎2016 at 10:05 PM, JSixpack said:

 

Huh? The evidence is that traffic flow has in fact improved and there's sufficient shade so that the number of tourists using the promenade is normal for the current tourist demographic. A few disgruntled TV members, whom I find most entertaining, don't significantly affect that number. :) Just the way it is, that's all. Come high season, sit across Beach Rd., as I often do, and check it out for yourself. Maybe I'll post a few pics again then. Last time, I did that, showing the inconceivable--tourists on the promenade, sitting in bars, on the beach, and even stop lights working and traffic stopping--it caused a great deal of teeth gnashing and knickers twisting, however. Do I really want to put our posters through such agony again?

even stop lights working and traffic stopping

LOL. There are 9 pedestrian lights ( unless I missed one ) but only 3 actually work, 1 has only orange light and the rest are switched off. A long way to walk to cross safely.

 

tourists on the promenade,

No one is denying that. What we realists say is that the present version is not a good one. Could have been great for the money the spent on it.

 

sitting in bars,

LOL, LOL, LOL

I guess you aren't actually in Pattaya now to write that. Might be one or two, but mostly only the staff, except for a very few long standing popular ones.

Never seen so many closed bars before. Some complexes have only half or less of the bars occupied.

[JSixpack]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No. It was the barking idea that someone had to make Pattaya the Riviera on Pattaya Bay, so they could cash in.

 

No. The idea was to widen Beach Rd. as traffic had become intolerable esp. during the festivals. The festivals had become a good earner and needed more support. Our ace urban planners and traffic engineers had better ideas, but as you've just recently discovered to the shock of all, "the authorities" didn't care what they thought. (Cue: The Reason, blah, blah). The widening required a redo of the promenade. That redo still twists the knickers of our old doomsayers and deathwatchers who need to rest after shuffling every few meters and protect their delicate complexions. Hence the hot air, lies, exaggerations, and refusal to, like, get over it. But after all naysayers and bashers do dominate the forums and most any excuse can do. The redevelopment did in general favor and accompany the greater economic growth of Pattaya, as road widenings tend to do, yes.

[morrobay]

 

The North end looking shabby indeed. That tatty fencing you , OP, referred to shown above was just put up as part of the latest beach restoration project. The pickup and trailer trash photo is South end. By the way ,OP, why not complete the report to include the second half : Pattaya Klang,Central to Walking st ?.

* A section of the beach I walk completely avoid now, due to lowlifes.,

[morrobay]

42 minutes ago, JSixpack said:

 

No. The idea was to widen Beach Rd. as traffic had become intolerable esp. during the festivals. The festivals had become a good earner and needed more support. Our ace urban planners and traffic engineers had better ideas, but as you've just recently discovered to the shock of all, "the authorities" didn't care what they thought. (Cue: The Reason, blah, blah). The widening required a redo of the promenade. That redo still twists the knickers of our old doomsayers and deathwatchers who need to rest after shuffling every few meters and protect their delicate complexions. Hence the hot air, lies, exaggerations, and refusal to, like, get over it. But after all naysayers and bashers do dominate the forums and most any excuse can do. The redevelopment did in general favor and accompany the greater economic growth of Pattaya, as road widenings tend to do, yes.

 

The widening of the Beach rd was done to accommodate the mass touring. As far as the "redo" of the promenade into a glorified road: The only people who do not realize objectively what a disaster it has become are the oblivious Chinese , Indians, and all the rest of the  oblivious 2 week tourists. Then for some unknown reason there are a few folks who have been here a long time,  who are in state of denial  and or just oblivious about this redevelopment  being : " in general a favor to economic growth"  Get back from lunch !

[JSixpack]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

even stop lights working and traffic stopping

LOL. There are 9 pedestrian lights ( unless I missed one ) but only 3 actually work, 1 has only orange light and the rest are switched off. A long way to walk to cross safely.

 

The lights tend to be turned off or dialed back in low season. They haven't been a very good idea anyway as pedestrians, notably the Golden Eggs Layers, like to press the button as they walk by w/ no intention of crossing. Regular drivers have figured that out. I told you that before, but you've forgotten. Anyway, though you think you're owed all sorts of Santa Barbara perks for visiting our beloved cesspool, you actually aren't. If it wasn't the lights, you'd just be whinging about something else. Now, to be helpful, I did offer you an exceptionally fine whinge earlier that you used to enjoy, the awful stink that permeates the entire Pattaya atmosphere, esp over Beach Rd., owing to that sewage pump you fingered earlier this year. It's there on the table, pal.

 

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tourists on the promenade,

No one is denying that. What we realists say is that the present version is not a good one. Could have been great for the money the spent on it.

 

So there you go. In this case looks like you've made it to Stage 4 of TVF Poster New Construction Syndrome (TVFPNCS). It has five stages:

 

1. Puzzlement
2. Disbelief; "no need"
3. Derision; doom prediction
4. Hate (disappointment)
5. Acceptance.

May take a few thousand of the same ol' whinges more before you make to Stage 5, as you finally did w/ the mall. :) No doomster will ever admit that the prophecies that the promenade spelled the The End Of Pattaya Tourism, the Last Nail In The Coffin (Again!!!), were the usual posturings and hogwash, however.

 

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sitting in bars,

 

LOL, LOL, LOL

I guess you aren't actually in Pattaya now to write that. Might be one or two, but mostly only the staff, except for a very few long standing popular ones.

Never seen so many closed bars before. Some complexes have only half or less of the bars occupied.

 

I referred to pics I posted a couple of years ago, I think, that SO distressed our doomsters, the anathema to the party line, that some even contacted the mods to have them removed! :)

 

But yes I was out most nights last week and was surprised at how many customers were in the bars. I'd passed by them during the day and thought, "my, WHAT a low season." And it is indeed low season, no question. Why not start a "LOWEST EVER???" thread, which you've essentially implied. We love that here. It'll drag on another 10 pages. Could be good for the SET, too. After your highly regarded, authoritative prophecy of doom for the new CentralFestival Pattaya Beach (known to you as "Central World"), shares of CPN quadrupled through 2015. :)

 

 

[JSixpack]

4 minutes ago, morrobay said:

The widening of the Beach rd was done to accommodate the mass touring.

 

When the widening was planned well before it was constructed (cue: the planning bash), The Authorities probably didn't have the foresight to realize what a large number of Asian tourists would descend upon our beloved cesspool. To think that they did is to give them far more credit than is customary from our bashers in any case.

 

They did see domestic tourism growing, yes. Unquestionably, as you've essentially admitted, mass tourism has indeed been the new driver of the Pattaya economic growth (hence the squawks from the locals about any falloff owing to the "zero-dollar" crackdown) and yes the road widening favored and accompanied exactly that. You may have noticed a tour bus or two on Beach Rd.

 

With the mass tourism, however, has also come a wealthier segment of Asian tourist (we ignore those) who spend a good bit in the malls and better restaurants, as noted in the CPN quarterly report I've cited previously.

 

So that's the just way it is, whether you like it or not.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

No. The idea was to widen Beach Rd. as traffic had become intolerable esp. during the festivals. The festivals had become a good earner and needed more support. Our ace urban planners and traffic engineers had better ideas, but as you've just recently discovered to the shock of all, "the authorities" didn't care what they thought. (Cue: The Reason, blah, blah). The widening required a redo of the promenade. That redo still twists the knickers of our old doomsayers and deathwatchers who need to rest after shuffling every few meters and protect their delicate complexions. Hence the hot air, lies, exaggerations, and refusal to, like, get over it. But after all naysayers and bashers do dominate the forums and most any excuse can do. The redevelopment did in general favor and accompany the greater economic growth of Pattaya, as road widenings tend to do, yes.

Do you actually think about what you write?

Widening the road is pointless if it merely goes into a bottleneck and thence to the same congested roads as before. I'd have thought a planning "ace" such as yourself would understand that.

It wasn't necessary to make a new walkway that was devoid of shade and seating. They built it the way it is to look good in the publicity photos that were going to bring the ultra wealthy flocking to the Riviera on Pattaya Bay. After all, if Dubai can do it, surely the clever people in Pattaya can too?

All adding a lane has done is make it even more dangerous to cross, as despite your claim to the contrary, 6 out of the 9 pedestrian crossing lights don't work.

If it was really about the festivals, there is an undeveloped section between Beach and Second that would make an excellent festival ground without disrupting traffic.

 

favor and accompany the greater economic growth of Pattaya, as road widenings tend to do, yes.

No. Given that it hasn't changed an iota of Pattaya's economy, that's a stretch.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

When the widening was planned well before it was constructed (cue: the planning bash), The Authorities probably didn't have the foresight to realize what a large number of Asian tourists would descend upon our beloved cesspool. To think that they did is to give them far more credit than is customary from our bashers in any case.

 

They did see domestic tourism growing, yes. Unquestionably, as you've essentially admitted, mass tourism has indeed been the new driver of the Pattaya economic growth (hence the squawks from the locals about any falloff owing to the "zero-dollar" crackdown) and yes the road widening favored and accompanied exactly that. You may have noticed a tour bus or two on Beach Rd.

 

With the mass tourism, however, has also come a wealthier segment of Asian tourist (we ignore those) who spend a good bit in the malls and better restaurants, as noted in the CPN quarterly report I've cited previously.

 

So that's the just way it is, whether you like it or not.

 

You may have noticed a tour bus or two on Beach Rd.

Such a comedian!

Hardly any tour buses on Beach at the moment, but yes, a few.

Used to be full of tour buses before they widened it, and it wasn't more of a problem then than now.

 

The Authorities probably didn't have the foresight

Well you got that right!

 

With the mass tourism, however, has also come a wealthier segment of Asian tourist

Perhaps the authorities would have done better directing resources to develop Jomptien ( far better beach ) to attract those "wealthier" tourists, than trying to make Pattaya a silk purse out of a pig's ear.

 

Pattaya is a dump ( or a cesspool as you say ) with a rubbish beach, polluted sea, and broken infrastructure that can't be fixed without demolishing half the city. That's the way it is, whether you like it or not.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, JSixpack said:

 

The lights tend to be turned off or dialed back in low season. They haven't been a very good idea anyway as pedestrians, notably the Golden Eggs Layers, like to press the button as they walk by w/ no intention of crossing. Regular drivers have figured that out. I told you that before, but you've forgotten. Anyway, though you think you're owed all sorts of Santa Barbara perks for visiting our beloved cesspool, you actually aren't. If it wasn't the lights, you'd just be whinging about something else. Now, to be helpful, I did offer you an exceptionally fine whinge earlier that you used to enjoy, the awful stink that permeates the entire Pattaya atmosphere, esp over Beach Rd., owing to that sewage pump you fingered earlier this year. It's there on the table, pal.

 

But yes I was out most nights last week and was surprised at how many customers were in the bars. I'd passed by them during the day and thought, "my, WHAT a low season." And it is indeed low season, no question. Why not start a "LOWEST EVER???" thread, which you've essentially implied. We love that here. It'll drag on another 10 pages. Could be good for the SET, too. After your highly regarded, authoritative prophecy of doom for the new CentralFestival Pattaya Beach (known to you as "Central World"), shares of CPN quadrupled through 2015. :)

 

 

Quote edited for brevity.

 

So you think they think there are no pedestrians in low season? Interesting.

 

Re the sewage station, it's remarkably unsmelly at the moment. I had to get right next to it to get a wiff.

 

The problem for Pattaya's bar owners is that despite Pattaya being full to busting during the day and evening, few are sitting in the bars spending money, and most seem to have gone to bed by 10 pm.

 

After your highly regarded, authoritative prophecy of doom for the new CentralFestival Pattaya Beach

Perhaps you should stop telling porkies about that. All I have said about it is that it was built in the wrong place, as indeed it was. Had it been built elsewhere they wouldn't have had so much traffic on Beach that they had to widen it.

I have also said that I like Festival as has the best totty in town, though I can see them deserting it for Terminal 21.

 

If it wasn't the lights, you'd just be whinging about something else

I also suggest you cut out the personal insults. That is, as I am sure you know, called flaming, and you know what happens to flamers.

[Awohalitsiktoli]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Wasn't the idea to make it a promenade (i.e. for walking) rather than a place for prostitutes and other undesirables to loiter?

I do not think the renovations in both Pattaya and Jomtien were focused on people at all.   Rather, the projects were designed so that a certain company could make a lot of money off of planting and selling palm trees.  The promenades also seem to have been designed to maximize beach erosion (but it is likely the "planners" are clueless on this point).  The old promenade designs were far more people friendly.  City Hall deserves a grade of  "F" for this project.

[Rimmer]

Bickering posts for the sake of it have been removed.

[brewsterbudgen]

No. It was the barking idea that someone had to make Pattaya the Riviera on Pattaya Bay, so they could cash in. Mind you that was back when the Russians were still spending large. Now that it's zero $ Chinese package tours the situation has changed somewhat.
 
I see that you consider that the people that created Pattaya as it is to be undesirables- shades of Clinton there 555555555555555.
Without the girls etc Pattaya would be nothing more than a grotty fishing town like can be found most places on Thailand's coasts.

Unfortunately many of the Beach Road prostitutes are most definitely undesirable, unlike many of their gogo/bar girl sisters! I'd never call them "deplorable" though!

[fforest1]

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Unfortunately many of the Beach Road prostitutes are most definitely undesirable, unlike many of their gogo/bar girl sisters! I'd never call them "deplorable" though!

 

 

The girls are great they add a lot to the atmosphere...

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, fforest1 said:

 

The girls are great they add a lot to the atmosphere...

I do feel sorry for them having to stand. The old walkway was much kinder to them, with lots of seating.

Without them on the walkway it really would be the end of Pattaya as we know and love it.

[champa]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I do feel sorry for them having to stand. The old walkway was much kinder to them, with lots of seating.

Without them on the walkway it really would be the end of Pattaya as we know and love it.

Pattaya City had removed the circle bench on Pattaya klang beach. The bench used to be business meeting area. 

 

A lot of girls sat there waiting for farang.