Trump wins White House in astonishing victory

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, boomerangutang said:

 

        Good point.  Now that Trump is shying away from the beautiful wall idea which he shouted every day for the past 16 months, .....his apologists are saying it was a metaphor.    It's like your mom saying she's going to bake you a big beautiful cake for your birthday.  Birthday comes, you get a stale cookie in a wrapper.  "oh the big chocolate cake?  ha ha ha, that was a metaphor."

...

Sure they'll eat up anything he comes up with and they'll love it! They're true believers.  Every authoritarian demagogic dictator in history of any political flavor

has lots of those, at least to start out. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Again, building a hotel or a casino is not quite on par with building a cross state mega wall. Even Trump's off the cuff figures on this were dismissed as incorrect (and no, not exclusively by pro-democrats). The whole thing is just another instance of salesmanship, most of us would not take lightly to builder providing a fence over a promised wall. The point being, mind the gap. The one between statements and reality.

trump doesn't build anything. He BRANDS. 

[Dtrump]

Just now, Morch said:

 

Again, building a hotel or a casino is not quite on par with building a cross state mega wall. Even Trump's off the cuff figures on this were dismissed as incorrect (and no, not exclusively by pro-democrats). The whole thing is just another instance of salesmanship, most of us would not take lightly to builder providing a fence over a promised wall. The point being, mind the gap. The one between statements and reality.

You were right or wrong about Trump's election?  You'll be wrong about the wall too.  Come back in 6 months and we can discuss why you failed to draw the correct conclusion.

[Morch]

2 minutes ago, Dtrump said:

You were right or wrong about Trump's election?  You'll be wrong about the wall too.  Come back in 6 months and we can discuss why you failed to draw the correct conclusion.

 

Hmm...I was actually way less sure of HRC's winning than most posters who supported her. Even JT could attest to that if he read his mails. But be that as it may...huh? What does predicting the outcome of the elections got to do with Trump apparently going back on his statements of building the wall?

 

Basically, what you're saying is Trump won the elections, Trump said he'll build a wall, therefore there will be a wall. Guess you have more faith than me.

[Dtrump]

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

trump doesn't build anything. He BRANDS. 

Wrong about the election and wrong in almost everything involving Trump.  What is the 2nd tallest building in Chicago and who built it?  Give up?  

Trump International Hotel and Tower (Chicago)

[Dtrump]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Hmm...I was actually way less sure of HRC's winning than most posters who supported her. Even JT could attest to that if he read his mails. But be that as it may...huh? What does predicting the outcome of the elections got to do with Trump apparently going back on his statements of building the wall?

 

Basically, what you're saying is Trump won the elections, Trump said he'll build a wall, therefore there will be a wall. Guess you have more faith than me.

Yes that's true. 

[tropo]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Again, building a hotel or a casino is not quite on par with building a cross state mega wall. Even Trump's off the cuff figures on this were dismissed as incorrect (and no, not exclusively by pro-democrats). The whole thing is just another instance of salesmanship, most of us would not take lightly to builder providing a fence over a promised wall. The point being, mind the gap. The one between statements and reality.

 

We should stop this ridiculous back and forth about will he build it or won't he. What's the point? Time will prove one of us right.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

How about we talk about the Donald's signature pre-campaign issue in the early going (remember back anyone?) that President Obama was/is not really an American citizen and thus not legally entitled to be President.

 

Donald was on that for ages, and then in the end, he seemed to realize it just wasn't going to go anywhere and entirely gave it up. I guess that's the kind of wisdom we can expect from our future "President."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories#Donald_Trump

 

Quote

 

Donald Trump

In March 2011, during an interview on Good Morning America, Donald Trump said he was seriously considering running for president, that he was a "little" skeptical of Obama's citizenship, and that someone who shares this view should not be so quickly dismissed as an "idiot" (as Trump considers the term "birther" to be "derogatory"^[158]). Trump added, "Growing up no one knew him",^[159] a claim ranked Pants-on-Fire by Politifact.^[160] Later, Trump appeared on The View repeating several times that "I want him [Obama] to show his birth certificate." He speculated that "there’s something on that birth certificate that he doesn’t like", a comment which host Whoopi Goldberg described as "the biggest pile of dog mess I’ve heard in ages."^[161]

On the March 30, 2011, edition of CNN Newsroom, anchor Suzanne Malveaux commented on Trump's statements, pointing out that she had made a documentary for which she had gone to Hawaii and spoken with people who knew Obama as a child.^[162][163] In an NBC TV interview broadcast on April 7, 2011, Trump said he would not let go of the issue, because he was not satisfied that Obama had proved his citizenship.^[164] After Trump began making his views public, he was contacted by Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily, who was reportedly on the phone with Trump every day for a week, providing Trump with a "birther primer", answers to questions, and advice.^[165] After Obama released his long-form birth certificate on April 27, 2011, Trump said "I am really honored and I am really proud, that I was able to do something that nobody else could do."^[166]
 

On October 24, 2012, Trump offered to donate five million dollars to the charity of Obama's choice in return for the publication of his college and passport applications before October 31, 2012.^[167]
 

On September 16, 2016, Trump stated "President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period." Trump also repeated a false claim that Hillary Clinton (his opponent in the 2016 U.S. presidential election) had started the controversy concerning Obama's place of birth.^[168]

 

 

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It's funny but you know, it's not realistic. Trumpists were not open to such discussions. He's living in a dream world and doesn't understand how incredibly divided Americans are now. 

 

I think the point was that the effort should be made. Your post is pretty much the sentiment referred to. Denying the possibility of dialogue by labeling the other side as ....... (whatever), and thus making it unnecessary to deal with the reality of these divides. I mean, alright - rage, ignore, label....at the end of the day elections are won by changing people's minds and by convincing them to see things in one way or another. The US is divided, sure. Hard to change unless people talk and form bridges. No need to start from the longest ones.

 

Obviously, it cuts both ways. And there's plenty of douches, trolls and nastiness all over the political divide. But here's the rub - if (like that guy on the clip) you believe that your views are actually better, that essentially you are better, than it falls upon you to try and sort things out. In its own funny way, the guy still remains an elitist after all, it seems.

 

Perhaps "not open to discussion" is not the right choice of words from someone touting the largest ignore list on the forum? Not baiting, just suggesting taking a step back and seeing it in perspective.

[klikster]

10 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

If I make a promise, I keep it.

 

Really? How many times have you been married?

[ClutchClark]

3 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

         A big 2000 mile long wall with require mega building materials and many miles of new highways to ease construction and maintenance.  It will require power plants, fossil fuels, excavations, and a shitload of taxpayer money, easily over $30 billion to build it, and as much to maintain and staff it.  Everything Trump has ever done has been with other peoples' money, so he has no real sense of the value of the stuff. For him, it's always been there for the taking - no matter if it can't be paid back.  As he proudly says, "I'm great with debt."

 

Ah, the Democrats have long since become the Party of "No" for any type of development on American soil and now they have come up with anew far out justification--it consumes energy and creates pollution. 

 

This is the peoblem when people's only income is the federal government subsidy and welfare system or "mommy & daddy". The poor Dems really don't understand that the only way a country grows and money is genersted is when their is economic growth and development. 

 

And this accusation that all trump knows how to do is spend other peoples' money ? Clinton and obama are life-long career politicians. They have been spending other peoples' (taxpayers) money with impunity their entire lives. They have never held a job. 

 

Do Democrats understand "Irony"?

Edited November 12, 2016 by ClutchClark

[ClutchClark]

1 hour ago, tropo said:

We should stop this ridiculous back and forth about will he build it or won't he. What's the point? Time will prove one of us right.

 

 

 

Dems were livid when a wall was going to be built and now their foaming that the wall may not be built. 

 

What do they want Tropo? Any ideas? It appears they don't even know what they want except to be angry and emotional.

 

[Ulysses G.]

Just now, ClutchClark said:

 

Dems were livid when a wall was going to be built and now their foaming that the wall may not be built. 

 

What do they want Tropo? 

 

 

Any excuse at all to disparage the winner. They lost and refuse to get over it. Expect a lot more dishonest hype from the same old crew.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

Any excuse at all to disparage the winner. They lost and refuse to get over it. Expect a lot more dishonest hype from the same old crew.

So disingenuous. Can you at least be honest and imagine how the hard core racist trumpists would have reacted if trump won the popular vote and lost the presidency? If you actually assert they would have accepted it, wow, how could anyone believe that? trump himself would have led a violent overthrow attempt. He threatened as much. The current protests aren't really about questioning the legality of the result. They're about the beginning of a resistance movement to American fascism and to telegraph to the world, we are NOT united over this horrific mistake of President trump. 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So disingenuous. 

 

What is disingenuous is trying to smear Trump or his supporters as racists. It is a blatant lie. Sure a few racists supported him as some supported Hillary. The candidates are not responsible for a few nutcase's crazy views.

[SimpleChap]

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Can you at least be honest and imagine how the hard core racist trumpists would have reacted if trump won the popular vote and lost the presidency?

 

Imagination is not at play here, only facts are.

 

I'm not an American, and a bit confused how the election actually works in the US, but I think the rules are in place a little longer that just this election isn't it?

[Jingthing]

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

 

What is disingenuous is trying to smear Trump or his supporters as racists. It is a blatant lie. Sure a few racists supported him as some supported Hillary. The candidates are not responsible for a few nutcase's crazy views.

Dude, you know perfectly well I never called all trump voters racist. But to say just a few is a blatant distortion. It's a lot. trump got the GEORGE WALLACE vote as a key part of his base. He wouldn't have won without it. If you deny this, how can anyone take you seriously. 

And it's not only racism, it's xenophobia, misogyny,  Islamophobia, and antisemitism as well. 

[ClutchClark]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Dude, you know perfectly well I never called all trump voters racist. But to say just a few is a blatant distortion. It's a lot. trump got the GEORGE WALLACE vote as a key part of his base. He wouldn't have won without it. If you deny this, how can anyone take you seriously. 

And it's not only racism, it's xenophobia, misogyny,  Islamophobia, and antisemitism as well. 

 

How do you possibly know the numbers? 

 

How? 

 

You just make everything up as you go along. 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, SimpleChap said:

 

Imagination is not at play here, only facts are.

 

I'm not an American, and a bit confused how the election actually works in the US, but I think the rules are in place a little longer that just this election isn't it?

Yes, I agree you're confused. Not informed would be a better way of putting it. If you actually followed the words of trump you would already know that trump threatened to aggressively contest ANY outcome IF he lost. And trump is a VERY AGGRESSIVE man with obvious dictatorial tendencies. 

[Ulysses G.]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Dude, you know perfectly well I never called all trump voters racist. But to say just a few is a blatant distortion. It's a lot. trump got the GEORGE WALLACE vote as a key part of his base. He wouldn't have won without it. If you deny this, how can anyone take you seriously. 

And it's not only racism, it's xenophobia, misogyny,  Islamophobia, and antisemitism as well. 

 

All nonsense. You have NO IDEA how many racists supported him and he is surrounded by Jews in his family, friends and business. That is another blatant falsehood.

[Ulysses G.]

6 minutes ago, ClutchClark said:

 

You just make everything up as you go along. 

 

Agreed and he is not the only one. Most of the Trump haters do exactly the same thing.

[SimpleChap]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Yes, I agree you're confused. Not informed would be a better way of putting it. If you actually followed the words of trump you would already know that trump threatened to aggressively contest ANY outcome IF he lost. And trump is a VERY AGGRESSIVE man with obvious dictatorial tendencies. 

I'm not misinformed at all, I read several statements from Trump and his family BEFORE the elections, that Trump would accept the outcome of the election.

 

His statements about rigged elections and not accepting the results was just another of his amazing publicity stunts. Not everyone has to threaten national security to get in the news.

 

http://fortune.com/2016/10/23/eric-trump-donald-election-results/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/donald-trump-presidential-debate-election-result

 

 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Ulysses G. said:

 

All nonsense. You have NO IDEA how many racists supported him and he is surrounded by Jews in his family, friends and business. That is another blatant falsehood.

I was talking about his supporters, dude, and you knew that, but twisted your response anyway. It's not about what's in trump's mind or isn't (he's a man child with a ridiculous mind, so who cares?) it's the rhetoric he used that haters of so many kinds RESPONDED to. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, SimpleChap said:

I'm not misinformed at all, I read several statements from Trump and his family BEFORE the elections, that Trump would accept the outcome of the election.

 

His statements about rigged elections and not accepting the results was just another of his amazing publicity stunts. Not everyone has to threaten national security to get in the news.

 

http://fortune.com/2016/10/23/eric-trump-donald-election-results/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/19/donald-trump-presidential-debate-election-result

 

 

I accept that's your position but I find it massively naive especially about the violent fanatical nature of a significant portion of the trump base. But you're right we don't know for a fact about what if trump lost because tragically he didn't, so we really don't have anything else of value to discuss on this matter. 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[Opl]

Trump' s advisers and power brokers such as S. Bannon, really leave little doubt ...where his préférences are.  Wonder who is the Trojan.

You elect Trump, you get the whole family with.

That's nepotism.

 

Edited November 12, 2016 by Opl

[Ulysses G.]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

 it's the rhetoric he used that haters of so many kinds RESPONDED to. 

 

I don't remember him calling him half of the American voters deplorable  like the woman you keep praising did.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

I don't remember him calling him half of the American voters deplorable  like the woman you keep praising did.

Dude, she did not say  that and again I'm sure you know that. So you're doing the dis-ingenuousness on steroids game thing right now so I will back off ... waste of time discussing with someone that isn't even half trying to be honest.

Edited November 12, 2016 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

Even Hillary admits she stepped in it with that remark, but the Trump haters keep trying to deny it.

[SimpleChap]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

10 minutes ago, Ulysses G. said:

 

I don't remember him calling him half of the American voters deplorable  like the woman you keep praising did.

Dude, she did not say  that and again I'm sure you know that. So you're doing the dis-ingenuousness on steroids game thing right now so I will back off ... waste of time discussing with someone that isn't even half trying to be honest.

 

 

Oh yes she did, because she said Trump supporters were deplorable, and didn't he get some 49% of the votes?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, SimpleChap said:

 

 

Oh yes she did, because she said Trump supporters were deplorable, and didn't he get some 49% of the votes?

That's not what she said. You say you're informed and yet your spouting pro trump lies. I can't be bothered with any further exchange with you at this low level.