Trump wins White House in astonishing victory

[Nasrullah]

this thread needs to be closed on humanitarian grounds......All we have left posting are stuuned,rapacious sad democrats

[thaibeachlovers]

12 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

The fact that Trump won the elections does not imply that those opposed need to praise him or his policies. There is nothing dishonest about ongoing criticism, especially with regard to assertions made during the campaign seemingly coming true - for example, the wall. This doesn't have much to do with not accepting the results. Sounds like some are simply trying to dismiss any criticism, on the grounds that "Trump won".

However, Trump HASN'T actually DONE ANYTHING yet, and won't till late January. Everyone opposing what he may or may not do are just blowing hot air because they are upset he won.

An EXTREME case of sour grapes.

[Morch]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Bad example to use. The Chinese wall was started in the 7th century BC and ended in 1644 when a General had the gates opened to allow the Manchus in to defeat the rebels in China. However they took over and the wall was no longer necessary as Mongolia became part of China.

Seems to me that the wall worked for a very long time.

 

Building a hotel, or a Casino is not quite the same thing as a cross state mega project

Yes it is. Get congressional approval, assemble a project team, secure the funding, lay the bricks or whatever. If congress doesn't approve it he can say it's their fault.

The Israelis already did it. He is pals with the Israelis- they will help him.

 

"Can we fix it?", "Yes we can!"  ( Bob the builder ).

 

 

 

I think you may want to brush your knowledge on what the Chinese wall was. 1000 years-long eras might not be the best reference at the moment. And in case it wasn't obvious,  Imperial  China of old is not the US of the present.

 

Building a hotel, or a casino, does not require congressional approval, does not have to deal with various state regulations and legislation. The scope of the project is totally different. If it was that easy, it wouldn't have made a great campaign trail promise. Dream on. 

 

If congress doesn't approve it he can say it's their fault.

 

But that would be exactly your run of the mill politician. Thought Trump isn't one. His supporters said so.

 

The Israelis already did it. He is pals with the Israelis- they will help him.

 

Different scope of project, no cross-state borders to deal with, not all of it is a wall at all, and comes under a lot of flak. Another off the cuff comment, without much to it.

 

 

 

 

 

[willfreeman]

SURPRISING VICTORY?  only if you are clueless, how does the humble pie taste? 

[willfreeman]

funny how all the people who thought Trump couldnt win are now proselytizing about all the other things he cant do, after being shown to be so terribly wrong you think they would keep their nose out of the predictions game for awhile

[Pimay1]

3 minutes ago, willfreeman said:

funny how all the people who thought Trump couldnt win are now proselytizing about all the other things he cant do, after being shown to be so terribly wrong you think they would keep their nose out of the predictions game for awhile

All they have now are sour grapes and a dinner plate full of crow.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I think you may want to brush your knowledge on what the Chinese wall was. 1000 years-long eras might not be the best reference at the moment. And in case it wasn't obvious,  Imperial  China of old is not the US of the present.

 

Building a hotel, or a casino, does not require congressional approval, does not have to deal with various state regulations and legislation. The scope of the project is totally different. If it was that easy, it wouldn't have made a great campaign trail promise. Dream on. 

 

If congress doesn't approve it he can say it's their fault.

 

But that would be exactly your run of the mill politician. Thought Trump isn't one. His supporters said so.

 

The Israelis already did it. He is pals with the Israelis- they will help him.

 

Different scope of project, no cross-state borders to deal with, not all of it is a wall at all, and comes under a lot of flak. Another off the cuff comment, without much to it.

 

 

 

 

 

I didn't bring the Chinese wall up. I was pointing out it wasn't a good example to use.

 

Trump won. The office will corrupt him, just as it does everyone that becomes a politician. He will become just another politician.

However, that doesn't mean he won't get re elected in 4 years, if he even wants to try for it again. He may find it isn't as much fun as he thought. Just looked at how Obama's hair has grown white from the stress of the presidency.

[Morch]

25 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Trumps opponents have been wrong every time. They said he wouldn't win the nomination and they said he wouldn't win the election. WRONG.

No doubt those that say he won't build it will probably be looking silly.

However, if a better solution came up I think he would be pragmatic enough to change his mind. Technology may make a physical wall unnecessary.

 

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

However, Trump HASN'T actually DONE ANYTHING yet, and won't till late January. Everyone opposing what he may or may not do are just blowing hot air because they are upset he won.

An EXTREME case of sour grapes.

 

May want to make up your mind. Either you're arguing people misjudge Trump because he did things, or you argue that he shouldn't be judges because he hasn't actually done anything.

 

It does not follow from Trump winning the elections, and people getting their predictions wrong, that all assessments of Trump are incorrect. In fact, such an instance is exactly what we discuss - namely, the correct assessment about  Trump's campaign wall not being the post campaign fence.

 

As for waiting until he does anything, by all means. However, that would require Trump supporters to wait as well, before boasting about the wonderful things he'll do.

 

Sour grapes? How so? I'm not among those contesting the elections results, supporting the riots or claiming that Trump got no mandate. Criticism of Trump, whether he's a candidate or the president elect is fully legitimate. An opposition does not throw away all of its views because it lost the elections.

[Morch]

5 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I didn't bring the Chinese wall up. I was pointing out it wasn't a good example to use.

 

Trump won. The office will corrupt him, just as it does everyone that becomes a politician. He will become just another politician.

However, that doesn't mean he won't get re elected in 4 years, if he even wants to try for it again. He may find it isn't as much fun as he thought. Just looked at how Obama's hair has grown white from the stress of the presidency.

 

I didn't bring the Chinese wall up. I was pointing out it wasn't a good example to use.

 

Excellent, that's pretty much was my point all along this topic (and others) since this deflection came up. At least we agree on something.

 

Just looked at how Obama's hair has grown white from the stress of the presidency.

 

To paraphrase the president elect: "I got hair. I got the best hair".

[SimpleChap]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

His statements about rigged elections and not accepting the results was just another of his amazing publicity stunts.

 

He made similar claims, of the "rigged" verity, with regard to not winning media awards and such. It really is funny to see how Trump supporters fall over themselves to explain away his statements, while previously hailing him as a straight shooter. 

 

 

Nobody here is denying the statements Trump made, it are only the Hilary supporters who didn't then and still not now understand the purpose of those statements.

 

But is them forgiven, because those same people still don't understand why Hilary deleted tens of thousands of emails as soon as she was investigated.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Trump's done plenty already just as a candidate. And it makes the mind boggle of what he MIGHT actually do once he really becomes President:

 

After all, he's already got under his belt:

--maligning an entire religion (Muslims)

--maligning at least one entire nationality (Mexicans), if not more

--established a pretty well-documented record of being a crude sexist and/or misogynist

--arguing for strict Immigration, when news reports say his immigrant wife worked illegally in the U.S.

--cozying up to dictator Putin while talking about lessening the U.S. role in NATO.

--thus far refusing to put his substantial business interests in the hands of an independent, outside administrator to avoid many potential serious conflicts of interest in his role as President.

 

And that's not even the entire list. The man's a walking powder-keg egomaniac. It's easy to see why the two international "leaders" he's received the strongest support from thus far are Putin in Russia and Duterte in the Phils. Kindred souls and all...

 

Edited November 13, 2016 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Jingthing]

You're right. 

It's got to be a lot more than whining.

That's why an organized resistance is need.

Waiting for credible leaders to emerge. 

Maybe it will be good old Elizabeth Warren. 

[Dtrump]

55 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're right. 

It's got to be a lot more than whining.

That's why an organized resistance is need.

Waiting for credible leaders to emerge. 

Maybe it will be good old Elizabeth Warren. 

Maybe Thailand would loan you all some Generals.  They have a lot of them with experience at what your are suggesting.

[Andaman Al]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Of course you didn't hear me complaining, because I opposed almost all if not everything that he wanted to do. The Dems can't stop anything for at least the next two years, unless the GOP agree that Trump has tried to do something stupid.

 

Obama couldn't get anything done because he refused to compromise or work with the GOP in congress.

Bill Clinton worked with the GOP and is remembered favourably as one that got a lot done.

 

Most of the Bills Obama tried to push through were actually Republican bills from the Bush Administration that were incomplete. These bills had been proposed by the Republicans, their architects were the Republicans but under Obama the same bills were going no where.

 

Here are a few of the many. I doubt for a minute you even know of 95% of the bills Obama was trying to pass and whether they were a good idea or not.

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6. Deficit-reduction commission. This one’s downright blatant. Republicans in Congress voted against their own bill to create a deficit-reduction commission because, according to a former GOP senator, they wanted to “stick it to the president.”

 

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Nuclear START treaty. Before they tried to block the nuclear START treaty negotiated by the Obama Administration, Republican leaders supported it under Presidents Reagan and Bush.

 

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The Obamacare individual mandate. Before they became obsessed with bringing down Obamacare, Republicans had the idea of a free-rider fee for people who can afford health insurance but refuse to buy it, also known as the individual mandate. The free-rider fee is part of “Romneycare” in Massachusetts

 

http://www.eclectablog.com/2013/08/10-ideas-republicans-loved-until-barack-obama-became-president.html

 

Etc Etc Etc,

 

Capitol Hill is populated by greedy, scavenging, power hungry sub humans who will say and do anything to remain at the power trough. The feeding frenzy is just beginning. One can only hope that as Trump will not deliver on his election promises that at the mid term elections the Opposition take back both houses and will not allow Trump to so much as go for a pee without their permission.

 

It's amazing isn't it that one of the world's military and economic superpowers has towns and city's in such decay and poverty that they have not developed and kept up with the rest of the world for the last twenty years. Why does this happen? Because the political system in the USA is such that now whoever the opposition party is ensures that the Governing party cannot govern. The politicians in the USA are never working for their country, just working against the President and his Government or vice versa (its just like Thailand when the last government were in). That is why some of your towns and city's in the top first world country now resemble those in third world countries - or worse. Its why your education system is at least 20 years behind. Nobody has their eye on the ball, only on 'whats the next fight with the government', "what progress and development for the people and the country can we block next". It's a giant hamster wheel and by the time everyone in the USA realises, it will be too late, the US will be a failed state with country wide mass poverty but having a lot of nukes and a very big military.

 

Trump is the catalyst for the downfall of the USA. Doesn't it smell even a little fishy to ardent Trump supporters that Putin is 'pleased'! When was Russia ever 'pleased' about their Nemesis' having a particular President. The reason the world has a pretty much status quo situation is because neither the USA or Russia will give quarter to each other (and now we have members of the Trump family going on holiday with Putins girlfriend!!) Putin will manipulate Trump as easy as a seasoned Pedophile can persuade  a 6 year old to come into his car to see his puppies.

 

Will it be entertaining watching Trump - yes, will it be harmful - yes, do we all need personal plan B's and C's - yes.

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, SimpleChap said:

 

 

Nobody here is denying the statements Trump made, it are only the Hilary supporters who didn't then and still not now understand the purpose of those statements.

 

But is them forgiven, because those same people still don't understand why Hilary deleted tens of thousands of emails as soon as she was investigated.

So simple chap, make it simple, please explain what the 'Hillary supporters don't understand when you say "it are only the Hilary supporters who didn't then and still not now understand the purpose of those statements". I am not a Hillary supporter and I do not understand what you mean, help me out. What did Trump mean when he said "elections are rigged, and he wouldn't accept the results"?

 

As for your second line

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But is them forgiven, because those same people still don't understand why Hilary deleted tens of thousands of emails as soon as she was investigated.

 

I can say with 100% confidence that you have never actually read about the investigation, never researched in to the investigation and the only thing you know about the investigation is what Trump or Fox have said. That line makes you and anyone who agrees with it look foolish. But i guess amongst Trump voters, one of the largest demographics he targeted for votes, non-college adults, would never even think to challenge anything they were told and maybe wouldn't even know how.

[tonbridgebrit]

Right, after all this talk, how is it, that Donald Trump has shown most of the media to be wrong by winning this election ? This so-called astonishing victory ?

Okay, we go on about the black vote, the Hispanic vote, the women's vote, etc.  But what about the white male vote ? Maybe Hillary forgot about this ? I mean, white males do actually represent a considerable percentage of Americans, right ?   :)

 

[SimpleChap]

14 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

So simple chap, make it simple, please explain what the 'Hillary supporters don't understand when you say "it are only the Hilary supporters who didn't then and still not now understand the purpose of those statements". I am not a Hillary supporter and I do not understand what you mean, help me out. What did Trump mean when he said "elections are rigged, and he wouldn't accept the results"?

 

As for your second line

 

I can say with 100% confidence that you have never actually read about the investigation, never researched in to the investigation and the only thing you know about the investigation is what Trump or Fox have said. That line makes you and anyone who agrees with it look foolish. But i guess amongst Trump voters, one of the largest demographics he targeted for votes, non-college adults, would never even think to challenge anything they were told and maybe wouldn't even know how.

 

 

Not a Hlary supporter? you should consider a career as stand up comedian.

 

The question about Trump I answered already higher up in the thread, so do your own home work.

 

As for the email investigation, here is a source that is neither Trump or Fox, but a quite credible one. There are other that have published the same.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/19/politifact-sheet-hillary-clintons-email-controvers/

 

Clinton exclusively used a private email address while serving as secretary of state from 2009-13.

Instead of using the State Department email system (with an email address ending in @state.gov), Clinton used a personal email address (@clintonemail.com) housed on private servers located in her Chappaqua, N.Y., home.

Because she didn’t use the government system, the department didn’t have her emails on hand when the House Select Committee on Benghazi asked to see them. So in 2014, Clinton’s lawyers combed through the private server and turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted the rest, which Clinton said were about personal matters.

[Andaman Al]

22 minutes ago, SimpleChap said:

 

 

Not a Hlary supporter? you should consider a career as stand up comedian.

 

The question about Trump I answered already higher up in the thread, so do your own home work.

 

As for the email investigation, here is a source that is neither Trump or Fox, but a quite credible one. There are other that have published the same.

 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/19/politifact-sheet-hillary-clintons-email-controvers/

 

Clinton exclusively used a private email address while serving as secretary of state from 2009-13.

Instead of using the State Department email system (with an email address ending in @state.gov), Clinton used a personal email address (@clintonemail.com) housed on private servers located in her Chappaqua, N.Y., home.

Because she didn’t use the government system, the department didn’t have her emails on hand when the House Select Committee on Benghazi asked to see them. So in 2014, Clinton’s lawyers combed through the private server and turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted the rest, which Clinton said were about personal matters.

Show me posts where i endorse Clinton!

 

If you answered the question previously why pose the statement again?

 

You said

 

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But is them forgiven, because those same people still don't understand why Hilary deleted tens of thousands of emails as soon as she was investigated.

 

Just what don't you understand? Are you aware of the timeline and sequence of events and who did what? You clearly are not.

 

As a point of order above you quote "So in 2014, Clinton’s lawyers combed through the private server and turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted the rest, which Clinton said were about personal matters."

 

Clinton said nothing! The lawyers were brought in to go through all the emails and separate out work related and private emails. They came up with a batch they deemed work related and submitted them, they came up with a batch THEY deemed were private and deleted some of them. The rest were in the hands of an office administrator who was ordered to delete them. The administrator delayed. When the subsequent subpoena was issued for an investigation the administrator found that he had not deleted the mails which were ordered to be removed by the lawyers (and had been declared by them to the initial investigation), the Administrator then carried out the action he was supposed to have done much earlier. Clinton did nothing, she deleted nothing, she bleached nothing, she hit nothing with hammers, she never went through 50k emails saying 'work/private', it was done by lawyers. the investigation has proved this and found her not guilty. Now lets see the investigation started into the 5 million emails illegally dumped from government servers by Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney concerning 9/11 and the Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Why was that done? Short of drive space you think? Why did the Republican blood hound pack not want that one investigated? 80 Million USD spent on the email investigation, it is obscene and was done for only ONE reason and that was it was the only way to get back in the WhiteHouse, well whoopee it worked, but now lets be real, the story has been embellished beyond belief, so just drop it.

[Andaman Al]

41 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

Your inflammatory language detracts from your argument.

Help me learn, can you cut and paste the inflammatory bits for me. Thanks.

[SimpleChap]

2 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Show me posts where i endorse Clinton!

 

If you answered the question previously why pose the statement again?

 

You said

 

 

Just what don't you understand? Are you aware of the timeline and sequence of events and who did what? You clearly are not.

 

As a point of order above you quote "So in 2014, Clinton’s lawyers combed through the private server and turned over about 30,000 work-related emails to the State Department and deleted the rest, which Clinton said were about personal matters."

 

Clinton said nothing! The lawyers were brought in to go through all the emails and separate out work related and private emails. They came up with a batch they deemed work related and submitted them, they came up with a batch THEY deemed were private and deleted some of them. The rest were in the hands of an office administrator who was ordered to delete them. The administrator delayed. When the subsequent subpoena was issued for an investigation the administrator found that he had not deleted the mails which were ordered to be removed by the lawyers (and had been declared by them to the initial investigation), the Administrator then carried out the action he was supposed to have done much earlier. Clinton did nothing, she deleted nothing, she bleached nothing, she hit nothing with hammers, she never went through 50k emails saying 'work/private', it was done by lawyers. the investigation has proved this and found her not guilty. Now lets see the investigation started into the 5 million emails illegally dumped from government servers by Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheney concerning 9/11 and the Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Why was that done? Short of drive space you think? Why did the Republican blood hound pack not want that one investigated? 80 Million USD spent on the email investigation, it is obscene and was done for only ONE reason and that was it was the only way to get back in the WhiteHouse, well whoopee it worked, but now lets be real, the story has been embellished beyond belief, so just drop it.

 

But, but it were the lawyers not crooked Hilary. 

 

Can you remind us who paid the lawyers and who they were working for?

 

As I said a career as stand up comedian would fit you well.

[jaidam]

The progressive left offer some interesting ideas here. Is it possible the principle of elections is too old fashioned? The ruler of the country should be decided by whichever camp throws the biggest hissy fit?  The team that can do the most burnin' and lootin', weepin' and a' wailin' can assume Presidency? Or to simplify things, we can just cancel the whole political proceedure and simply ask mr George Soros who should be President? Interesting proposals and thoughts from our "educated" youth indeed.

 

 What is worth considering here is there is clearly a bunch of people with no work to do, and massivevuntapped energy levels. Let's attach a ball and chain to their wee ankles and ship 'em down to the border, give them a trowel and some mortar and lets get the Great Mexican wall built in a few days, then ship 'em all up north and get cracking on the Great Canadian wall.

 

 The only reason Trump's victory is astonishing is the whole bent media was brainwashed tonbelieve that only a Clinton win was permissable. A scary notion. Time for severe changes in US education starting with the firing of every single teacher, proffessor and educator. A week in Malmo for all of them should suffice. A proper eye opener to the wonderful rainbow world they dream of (and which flat-out does not exist). 

 

 Praise is due to all Rep voters for keeping their dignity and cool under this disgusting onslaught. The temptation to go out and start banging lefty skulls together must be great. Nice restraint guys, we can see who has the moral high ground here.

[lannarebirth]

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The whole thing for trump is about his mental case HUGE ego and nothing to do with caring about the little people. I'm sorry he has so many more victims of his cons now. You were warned but now we all pay.

 

One of the problems with the founding documents, Horatio Alger myths and other American mythologies is that they have a tendency to produced individualism which can lead to or be construed as egoism. Millions and millions and millions of Americans suffer from it. Political parties, most especially the Democrats tried to temper that with groupthink, which sadly only led to a bunch of group thinking egoists.

 

I've got two girls 20 and 21. They are as subject to groupthink as anyone, probably more so because everyone wants to fit in, right? I tell them spend more time talking to people who hold opposing views to you than than those who don't. Make them defend their view and you in turn should be prepared to defend yours. You learn very little from people who agree with you about everything.

[Andaman Al]

1 minute ago, hyku1147 said:

Putin will manipulate Trump as easy as a seasoned Pedophile can persuade  a 6 year old to come into his car to see his puppies.

 

How is that inflammatory unless you are a seasoned peadophile? And if you are I have no regrets about using language you consider inflammatory. I consider it a suitable analogy as to how Putin will twist Trump around his finger and how Trump will not resist.

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

I rest my case.

I guess therefore, I rest mine.

[jpinx]

On 09/11/2016 at 9:08 AM, dick dasterdly said:

The things politicians say before an election are entirely different to the things they actually do once elected.

It would also pay the electorate dividends in the facts if they did a bit of googling about election "promises"

 

Here's the Mexican Wall, as started by Bush in 2006? and continued by Obama.  Trump is just adding to it... 

[Opl]

15 hours ago, jaidam said:

The progressive left offer some interesting ideas here. Is it possible the principle of elections is too old fashioned? The ruler of the country should be decided by whichever camp throws the biggest hissy fit?  The team that can do the most burnin' and lootin', weepin' and a' wailin' can assume Presidency? Or to simplify things, we can just cancel the whole political proceedure and simply ask mr George Soros who should be President? Interesting proposals and thoughts from our "educated" youth indeed.

 

 What is worth considering here is there is clearly a bunch of people with no work to do, and massivevuntapped energy levels. Let's attach a ball and chain to their wee ankles and ship 'em down to the border, give them a trowel and some mortar and lets get the Great Mexican wall built in a few days, then ship 'em all up north and get cracking on the Great Canadian wall.

 

 The only reason Trump's victory is astonishing is the whole bent media was brainwashed tonbelieve that only a Clinton win was permissable. A scary notion. Time for severe changes in US education starting with the firing of every single teacher, proffessor and educator. A week in Malmo for all of them should suffice. A proper eye opener to the wonderful rainbow world they dream of (and which flat-out does not exist). 

 

 Praise is due to all Rep voters for keeping their dignity and cool under this disgusting onslaught. The temptation to go out and start banging lefty skulls together must be great. Nice restraint guys, we can see who has the moral high ground here.

 

So you are for reeducation camps - or worse -  for those who dislike Trump's and Bannon's ideology?

You do not need to be  a leftist to disagree.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

22 hours ago, Morch said:

 

 

May want to make up your mind. Either you're arguing people misjudge Trump because he did things, or you argue that he shouldn't be judges because he hasn't actually done anything.

 

It does not follow from Trump winning the elections, and people getting their predictions wrong, that all assessments of Trump are incorrect. In fact, such an instance is exactly what we discuss - namely, the correct assessment about  Trump's campaign wall not being the post campaign fence.

 

As for waiting until he does anything, by all means. However, that would require Trump supporters to wait as well, before boasting about the wonderful things he'll do.

 

Sour grapes? How so? I'm not among those contesting the elections results, supporting the riots or claiming that Trump got no mandate. Criticism of Trump, whether he's a candidate or the president elect is fully legitimate. An opposition does not throw away all of its views because it lost the elections.

Of course all assessments are currently irrelevant, as who knows if that was the man that will be president till he's actually been president. He's been different since the election.

If he was doing things like appointing his son to chief of staff he'd be guilty of being foolish in the extreme, and then stone away, but he didn't.

 

I'm saying that people should wait till he's done something before casting stones.

I'm not psychic so I can't say what he'll do, but I'm offended by the tone of some on here and trying to point out that they are suffering a severe case of sour grapes.

How can anyone criticize him when he hasn't actually done anything to criticize? Live in the past if you want to, but Trump and his supporters are moving on to the future.

The antis are just crying into the wind because they LOST. Boo hoo.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Opl said:

 

So you are for reeducation camps - or worse -  for those who dislike Trump's and Bannon's ideology?

You do not need to be  a leftist to disagree.

 

Link please, or is that just another loony left conspiracy theory?

[tropo]

1 hour ago, jpinx said:

It would also pay the electorate dividends in the facts if they did a bit of googling about election "promises"

 

Here's the Mexican Wall, as started by Bush in 2006? and continued by Obama.  Trump is just adding to it... 

 

 

 

That's a fence, not a wall.

 

 

Edited November 14, 2016 by tropo

[tropo]

This is what you need. This will keep all the Mexicans out.

 

Edited November 14, 2016 by tropo