Pheu Thai demands govt answers amid election delay fears

[smedly]

7 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

And who decide when the country is ready? The junta? Meechai? Prayut? Please tell. 

not you

[halloween]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Now I know your level of understanding of Thai politics. Thanks.

 

I've known yours for a long time. So tell me again how PTP is a group of like-minded people formed to represent the downtrodden masses of the north, and not really just a vehicle for the Shinawatras to buy power. I enjoy a good giggle.

But have you ever wondered where their funding comes from for the MP stipends, the TV and radio stations, and how "political activists" like Jatuporn became wealthy?

[Gunna]

23 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Now I know your level of understanding of Thai politics. Thanks.

And the lack of your understanding.

PTP just can't wait to get their noses in the trough of the public coffers again.

 

Edited January 3, 2017 by Gunna

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

You might well say, as you conveniently ignore the party motto. What you call obsession, I call reality, that PTP is owned by Thaksin, its MPs bribed to be members of the party. MPs accepting 3rd party payments, especially on a regular basis, is illegal in most democracies.

 

And

 

a). The paymaster and his paid 'politicians' / 'yes men', have never announced or discussed an all encompassing manifesto to develop Thailand towards 2nd / 1st world status and to build a civil society with equal opportunity and fair non corrupt justice for all, and none of the yes men have ever taken part in a debate in parliament, because they are not allowed to let alone have the capability to debate and to espouse valuable insight into whatever subject. And

 

b). PT alone (if you momentarily cut off the paymaster), also have never announced or discussed an all encompassing manifesto to develop Thailand towards 2nd / 1st world status and to build a civil society with equal opportunity and fair non corrupt justice for all, and none of the yes men have ever taken part in a debate in parliament, because they are not allowed to let alone have the capability to debate and to espouse valuable insight into whatever subject.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Here is a question for you. Do you still think that Pheu Thai still take orders from Thaksin? From what I researched, many in the party feel strongly that the Shin is now a liability for PT and would chose a non Shin as PM candidate. Maybe Chaturon or Sudarat. There is also a strong negative sentiment from the North and North-East regarding the amnesty and felt betrayed. Thaksin may still be an important party member and he should have the smart to understand the current political situation and move aside for others less controversial. 

 

 

Yes, I think that some still do and others would if given the opportunity.

 

Having said that I think that Suderat would make an excellent party leader and PM if the PTP were not so tainted from the past.

 

Quote "Thaksin may still be an important party member and he should have the smart to understand the current political situation and move aside for others less controversial."

 

The problem IMHO is that if Thaksin were smart enough to move aside he may not be able to retain control any more, and loss of control would be similar to losing face. That is something he will not accept.

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[sharecropper]

50 minutes ago, smedly said:

anyone in PTP not humming the Shin tune will be brought in by his red militia for attitude adjustment lol  

 

 

There is no "lol" about your reactionary, ill-thought-out, rubbish posts, I'm sorry to say.

[tgeezer]

Pictured below - Thai Roadmap to Democracy :D:D:D
 

'Road map' I remember that this stupid word started to be used erroneously around the time of the Iraq war.


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[elgordo38]

7 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

They are being very precise with their roadmap work. They started at democracy and are working their way out to the edge of the map. It would be irresponsible to say how far away they are willing to go when there is so much territory left to explore.

Its obvious the Pheu were never given a copy of the road map. If we followed the roadmap and the world was really flat ooops. 

[elgordo38]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Having said that I think that Suderat would make an excellent party leader and PM if the PTP were not so tainted from the past.

Tainted? Hmm I do not find the junta fragrance exactly tittulating my nostrils. 

Edited January 3, 2017 by elgordo38

[elgordo38]

7 hours ago, jerojero said:

There's no water to test.  They can stay in power as long as they want regardless of what citizens think.  And seems it's heading this way. 

I think your onto something

[elgordo38]

1 hour ago, sharecropper said:

 

 

There is no "lol" about your reactionary, ill-thought-out, rubbish posts, I'm sorry to say.

Smedly a reactionary oh my God!!!!

[elgordo38]

2 hours ago, Gunna said:

And the lack of your understanding.

PTP just can't wait to get their noses in the trough of the public coffers again.

 

Come on guys don't turn this into a trough fight there is room for all at the trough. Just check the feeding schedule oops forget that its a 24 hour a day thing. 

[elgordo38]

Just now, elgordo38 said:

Come on guys don't turn this into a trough (financial food) fight there is room for all at the trough. Just check the feeding schedule oops forget that its a 24 hour a day thing. 

 

[Eric Loh]

2 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

 

Yes, I think that some still do and others would if given the opportunity.

 

Having said that I think that Suderat would make an excellent party leader and PM if the PTP were not so tainted from the past.

 

Quote "Thaksin may still be an important party member and he should have the smart to understand the current political situation and move aside for others less controversial."

 

The problem IMHO is that if Thaksin were smart enough to move aside he may not be able to retain control any more, and loss of control would be similar to losing face. That is something he will not accept.

 

Taksin already hinted strongly that he favored Sudarat as party leader. 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30278855

 

Chaturon will be another suitable candidate and will challenge Sudarat. Thaksin control has declined in the party voluntarily. You can see that he is more concern about returning home and IMO he will get the pardon to trade off his political ambition and his urge to take revenge. He is still very popular with the mass poor and may be called back to politics if someone need to balance the power and ambition of the military. Think you know what I mean. 

[Squeegee]

4 hours ago, halloween said:

 

Hopefully there is an alternative, but handing control of the country to a blatantly corrupt fugitive criminal is not acceptable to me or many others.

 

Q. Why do you so vehemently criticise one family for being corrupt, one that has yet to face consequences for its actions (to put it simply in something like your own terms) and not other ones?

 

A. You actively support one family (or clan thereof) over another. You are not a true commentator, fair neutral people should be wary to take heed in the distorted picture you try to paint. You are an active participant in what's destroying the country because you are involved in supporting and promoting one side over another. By pushing anti-Shinawatra propaganda you are a mouthpiece for the junta and their backers.

 

Yes, distorted because there is absolutely no balance (I'd say sense), only bias and desperate intent to influence others. Desperate due to the chang in the room: legitimacy. Since lack of transparency is not a good sign in anyone but a madman's book, nobody should take your hysterical But-Thaksin posts seriously.

 

If people need to know - for example - he too wasn't fussed about human rights either when he declared war on drugs, they can sure find out these issues from better sources than your cartoon propaganda.

[Squeegee]

 

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[Jimbo2014]

2 hours ago, tgeezer said:

'Road map' I remember that this stupid word started to be used erroneously around the time of the Iraq war.


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The solved the problem there by just blowing all the roads up

[Denim]

Did Pheu Thai actually ' demand ' or just ask for answers. What is the Thai word for demand and where has this been translated from ?

 

I suspect no ' demand ' was made but the Nation, not known for its English language accuracy , has just spun this for a bit of a cheap sensationalist heading.

 

They once had Thaksin ' begging ' so it would be consistent with their poor journalism.

[BuckBee]

maybe an election in a decade once the children been indoctrinated fully ... long live the junta ...

[Becker]

6 hours ago, smedly said:

not you

How about answering the question instead of posting silly diversions?

[wakeupplease]

7 hours ago, smedly said:

more and more of PTP are being investigated and jailed - it is little wonder they want it all to go away ASAP - I wonder how many of them have shipped boatloads of cash abroad lol

Thats one way of getting rid of your opponents is it not? just jail them its called rule by the gun

[ramrod711]

13 hours ago, webfact said:

Pheu Thai demands junta answers

 

Taxpayers demand to know when they will get the scammed rice money back. They should also demand a legal opinion on why a judge gave Thaksin back one billion baht.

[jcsmith]

12 hours ago, Thailand said:

I gues the PTP have yet to work out that the junta has no intention of relinquishing power or holding genuine elections without some sort of internal upheaval.

 

I think they are probably well aware of it by now, and at this point they are trying to expose that to anyone still in denial.

[wakeupplease]

Is it not time to move on from the past as you cannot change history but you can change the future. It appears to me and I am not political that one lot wants all the money and power when they have control and then the other lot try to take it back their way when they have control. Thaksin (is just one man but you still fear him) you say did bad when in control but the country when I visited then, was moving in the right direction now it on its way to the bottom and going very fast in that direction.

 

The 50 Billion dollar question is Why the hell can't you just sit down and talk out the problems without lying to each other all the time like most other civilized country do. from the outside world Thailand today is becoming a no go area as those outside can no longer trust us and you know what that means don't you.

 

Too much Bullshite not enough of the truth for far to long

 

[Ace of Pop]

At least when Thais fall out it's with their own,unlike other Nations who let outsiders in to stir the shit


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[billd766]

3 hours ago, Denim said:

Did Pheu Thai actually ' demand ' or just ask for answers. What is the Thai word for demand and where has this been translated from ?

 

I suspect no ' demand ' was made but the Nation, not known for its English language accuracy , has just spun this for a bit of a cheap sensationalist heading.

 

They once had Thaksin ' begging ' so it would be consistent with their poor journalism.

 

The "other" newspaper had the same headline.

[billd766]

6 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

 

Taksin already hinted strongly that he favored Sudarat as party leader. 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/national/aec/30278855

 

Chaturon will be another suitable candidate and will challenge Sudarat. Thaksin control has declined in the party voluntarily. You can see that he is more concern about returning home and IMO he will get the pardon to trade off his political ambition and his urge to take revenge. He is still very popular with the mass poor and may be called back to politics if someone need to balance the power and ambition of the military. Think you know what I mean. 

 

I didn't know that much about Chaturon and I had to look him up in Wikipedia. A very interesting man and possibly not that easy a man to be controlled looking at his past political history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaturon_Chaisang

 

The isn't a lot written about Sudarat on Wikipedia  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarat_Keyuraphan

 

I would have to rely on my somewhat shaky memory of Thai politics from some 15 to 20 years ago and peruse the internet to find out more.

 

I wouldn't want to chose between them as perhaps Thailand may prefer another woman PM though Chaturon has more political experience.

 

There is a very slight chance that Thaksin may get an amnesty from the charge he fled from but there are quite a few more serious ones waiting for him. Some of them have involved other persons who have been convicted and jailed already so if he were given an amnesty on those it would be reasonable to think that the already jailed persons would expect an amnesty as well.

 

IMHO he will never be allowed back into politics again, though if he can learn and agree to keep silent and grow roses (mushrooms) the present government may allow him back but on a very short chain.

[baboon]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

 

I didn't know that much about Chaturon and I had to look him up in Wikipedia. A very interesting man and possibly not that easy a man to be controlled looking at his past political history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaturon_Chaisang

 

The isn't a lot written about Sudarat on Wikipedia  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudarat_Keyuraphan

 

I would have to rely on my somewhat shaky memory of Thai politics from some 15 to 20 years ago and peruse the internet to find out more.

 

I wouldn't want to chose between them as perhaps Thailand may prefer another woman PM though Chaturon has more political experience.

 

There is a very slight chance that Thaksin may get an amnesty from the charge he fled from but there are quite a few more serious ones waiting for him. Some of them have involved other persons who have been convicted and jailed already so if he were given an amnesty on those it would be reasonable to think that the already jailed persons would expect an amnesty as well.

 

IMHO he will never be allowed back into politics again, though if he can learn and agree to keep silent and grow roses (mushrooms) the present government may allow him back but on a very short chain.

"There is a very slight chance that Thaksin may get an amnesty from the charge he fled from but there are quite a few more serious ones waiting for him."

 

I think that this is where your interesting post begins to become unstuck. You see in my opinion, you are dead right about more serious charges that should be levelled against him, but they won't. Why? He knows where the bodies are buried figuratively and possibly literally. He was and I imagine still is an influential figure with the capacity to bring down the house of cards, given the dirt he must have on so many.

Why would he be allowed back to wreak havoc with a still sizeable base of support when he proves far more useful as the bogeyman in Dubai?

[kennw]

19 hours ago, chainarong said:

I am not sure where the PTP get this idea that the Junta is attempting to hold onto power and I haven't seen in my copy of  the Antarctic Express about any delay, however you're dealing with an unpredictable set of rules ,  the versatile section 44, I also can report that what's in store for Thailand 2017 in the OZ media,  the Junta didn't get a great wrap up, sorry general I did my best........................................

And neither did the Australian political system get a "great wrap" from the Oz media either. So what's your point.  

[Kiwiken]

22 hours ago, Thailand said:

I gues the PTP have yet to work out that the junta has no intention of relinquishing power or holding genuine elections without some sort of internal upheaval.

I believe that is what the junta that ran Argentina Prior to the Falklands War. As did the military in Myanmar . The fact is like all Regimes in time they run out. You can rule autocratically by force for a while but sooner or later the people work out that they not the Military are the majority and change occurs.