Law on Smoking in Restaurants

[4MyEgo]

5 hours ago, Estrada said:

 In 1992, Thailand passed two main laws that govern tobacco control: 1) Tobacco Products Control Act, B.E. 2535, which governs packaging and labeling of tobacco products and tobacco advertising, promotion and sponsorship; and 2) The Non-Smokers Health Protection Act, B.E. 2535, which governs public smoking. Pursuant to the Non-Smokers Health Protection Act, the Ministry of Public Health has issued numerous Notices increasingly prohibiting or restricting public smoking. The most recent notice - Ministry of Public Health Notice (Volume 19) of 2010 - prohibits smoking in all indoor public places, workplaces, and public transport and some outdoor places, with the sole exception of international airports, which have designated smoking areas.

 

This includes shopping Malls, Restaurants and Eating Places. The penalty is a B2,000 fine.

 

Someone should tell Orange restaurant at Patong, great food, but full of smokers, major let down IMO

[fruitman]

26 minutes ago, jvs said:

When i go out for a meal and i see people smoking inside i will not go in,plenty of other choices.

If i have ordered already and start eating and some one lights up i will ask them to stop smoking.

I am not looking for a fight but it is my good right to have a smokeless meal in an area where smoking is not allowed(by law)

The last time i asked someone to stop smoking his response was ,but they gave me an ashtray!

Other people also told him he should not be smoking,he got up and left.

 

 

If there's an ashtray on the table i will smoke right there...and nobody will stop me unless it's the restaurant owner..I suppose he knows that the ashtray is on the table and what's it meant for.

 

In all other places i won't smoke outside a smoking area.

 

 

[Rc2702]

59 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

 

You sound like you are not only very respectful, but very considerate. Thanks for that. There is nothing wrong with a smoker enjoying a cigarette outside. It does appear that some societies are taking themselves a bit seriously by not allowing smoking in outdoor spaces. Not sure I agree with that. What we are really discussing here is smoking within a restaurant space, where people are trying to eat. That is a bit much, in my opinion. 

I agree. Smoking should be banned from all restaurants indoors or out. Smoking is a problem and for me I try to isolate it as much as poss as my problem and no one else's. Smoking on the side of a road seems more logical to me with all car fumes etc. I do it less as a result and that's better for me. 

[4MyEgo]

3 hours ago, DrDave said:

 

Or.... the smokers who insist on sitting in the indoor section and light-up.

 

For example, there's a restaurant that I frequent that has both indoor and outdoor sections. The indoor section has multiple "no smoking" signs complete with graphics, however people (typically Europeans) inevitably sit at one of the tables an arms-length from a no-smoking sign and start smoking as if the sign doesn't apply to them.

 

The "cough, cough" you'd hear from me isn't fake or exaggerated. I have a hypersensitivity to cigarette smoke, and when eating near someone smoking, the food tastes as if I'm licking the inside of an ashtray. That's why I seek out restaurants with no-smoking areas. Unfortunately, more often than not, my meal is completely ruined by some d**khead who thinks he has the divine right to ignore the regulations or policies and foul the air that the customers around him have no choice but to breathe.

 

When ever I eat out I make sure that I ask, is this a non smoking restaurant, and if they say; can smoke, I say; no smoking kop khun krup and move on, business lost for good, and when a restaurant says yes; no smoking, I say; if someone starts smoking I won't pay the bill, you agree, and if they say yes, then its a done deal, if they say no, then I move right along.

[jvs]

9 minutes ago, fruitman said:

 

If there's an ashtray on the table i will smoke right there...and nobody will stop me unless it's the restaurant owner..I suppose he knows that the ashtray is on the table and what's it meant for.

 

In all other places i won't smoke outside a smoking area.

 

 

In a scenario where i would meet you i would ask the owner to tell you to stop smoking,if he declines i will walk out without paying the bill.Let him call the police and let them settle it.

Once i saw a smoker in a bar ,years ago,he was asked a few times to stop smoking and he was pretty big and loud and told

everyone to f. off among other things.The police came,cuffed him and of he went!!

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

Some people just can't cut it in Thailand and then have to tell everyone how happy they are to be back but meanwhile keep posting on the Thaiforum because they miss Thailand so much. Not saying that is the case but seen it before.

 

Its to keep his residency status current, he doesn't want to lose it so he has to return, if he's out of the country for more than 183 days he becomes a non resident and the tax man will stick it to he like a Greek sticks it to yah, too much property I am told, that and all the other benefits he gets, suffice to say I only wish he didn't post when he was in Australia.

 

I had to block him as he was so annoying 555

[fruitman]

39 minutes ago, jvs said:

In a scenario where i would meet you i would ask the owner to tell you to stop smoking,if he declines i will walk out without paying the bill.Let him call the police and let them settle it.

Once i saw a smoker in a bar ,years ago,he was asked a few times to stop smoking and he was pretty big and loud and told

everyone to f. off among other things.The police came,cuffed him and of he went!!

 

Fine with me, if i'm allowed to smoke i will...if you don't like it you go elsewhere.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

fruitman.

Although i would agree with you about asking the owner to ask the guy to stop smoking,i find that walking out without paying the bill is a bit much.I think that you may be letting yourslef in for a world of trouble by doing that.If the smoker was a ferang,you may have half a chance,but if the smoker is a Thai then i think that your problem may escalate.Thais stick together over us felangs,what ever we do/say we are in the wrong,even when we are in the right by our own standards.Our standards are not their standards,and to lose face to a ferang is beyond redemption.We can never win an argument in that fashion.i think that if you did what you say,you would have trouble with a few likely Thai lads who are on the end of a mobile phone.I dont know how long you have been here,but if only a short while,then you need to learn the ways.If for a long time then you should know the ways.By saying what you would do,indicates that you think you are a tough guy,Not so here my misled friend.You would,undoubtedly come very much unstuck.

[Berkshire]

In Chiang Mai, pretty much every restaurant smoking area is outside.  I can't think of one restaurant that allows smoking inside.  And if you go into any mall, there is absolutely no smoking inside anywhere.  So it's pretty easy for non-smokers to stay away from smokers.  All I ask is...what's the problem? 

[alocacoc]

In Chiang Mai, pretty much every restaurant smoking area is outside.  I can't think of one restaurant that allows smoking inside.  And if you go into any mall, there is absolutely no smoking inside anywhere.  So it's pretty easy for non-smokers to stay away from smokers.  All I ask is...what's the problem? 

Same in pattaya. I don't see where is the problem. Even in many open restaurants.

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[psyvolt]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

In a scenario where i would meet you i would ask the owner to tell you to stop smoking,if he declines i will walk out without paying the bill.

What a load of hogwash.. 

We all know you wouldn't do such a thing, and your only making an idiot of yourself by saying you would.

 

As for other ppl saying that smoking is intolerable and they cant stand it due to how much it ruins a meal, I always find it funny when someone is sitting outside having a drink/meal and smoke, and a non smoker then doesnt seem to have the same problems when they then choose to come have there meal/drink outside next to the smokers table.

 

The anti smoking brigade just loves to throw a whole heap of hyperbole around, acting as though you have killed 100 kittens and ran a child down when you dare light up in an open dinning area.

[Khon Kaen Dave]

psyvolt.

love it,you are without doubt, a man/lady of the times.keep on,keeping on.

[aussiandrew]

5 hours ago, DrDave said:

 

Or.... the smokers who insist on sitting in the indoor section and light-up.

 

For example, there's a restaurant that I frequent that has both indoor and outdoor sections. The indoor section has multiple "no smoking" signs complete with graphics, however people (typically Europeans) inevitably sit at one of the tables an arms-length from a no-smoking sign and start smoking as if the sign doesn't apply to them.

 

The "cough, cough" you'd hear from me isn't fake or exaggerated. I have a hypersensitivity to cigarette smoke, and when eating near someone smoking, the food tastes as if I'm licking the inside of an ashtray. That's why I seek out restaurants with no-smoking areas. Unfortunately, more often than not, my meal is completely ruined by some d**khead who thinks he has the divine right to ignore the regulations or policies and foul the air that the customers around him have no choice but to breathe.

I fully share your sentiments. Well written. Happy new year.

[jvs]

15 minutes ago, psyvolt said:

What a load of hogwash.. 

We all know you wouldn't do such a thing, and your only making an idiot of yourself by saying you would.

 

As for other ppl saying that smoking is intolerable and they cant stand it due to how much it ruins a meal, I always find it funny when someone is sitting outside having a drink/meal and smoke, and a non smoker then doesnt seem to have the same problems when they then choose to come have there meal/drink outside next to the smokers table.

 

The anti smoking brigade just loves to throw a whole heap of hyperbole around, acting as though you have killed 100 kittens and ran a child down when you dare light up in an open dinning area.

You seem to know a lot!!!Youre the man!!!

[stevenl]

In Chiang Mai, pretty much every restaurant smoking area is outside.  I can't think of one restaurant that allows smoking inside.  And if you go into any mall, there is absolutely no smoking inside anywhere.  So it's pretty easy for non-smokers to stay away from smokers.  All I ask is...what's the problem? 

So people who don't want to be bothered by smoke need to stay inside? Sounds like a bad deal to me.

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[psyvolt]

20 minutes ago, jvs said:

You seem to know a lot!!!

Nope, not a lot, but enough to know your talking rubbish when u said what you did.

[nisakiman]

There are two types of people who don't smoke.

 

There are non-smokers, who, like their non-smoking forbears, have a live and let live approach to life. Other people smoking doesn't bother them, and nor does the smell of smoke. My parents fell into this category. There were always ashtrays and cigarettes in the house for any smoking guests who might visit. My mother actually liked the smell of tobacco smoke, particularly pipe tobacco, although she wasn't so keen on cigars.

 

Then there are the other type of non-smoker, the anti-smoker. They used to be a rarity, but for the last few decades the Tobacco Control Industry has been pumping out (mostly baseless) propaganda relentlessly, and the less critical thinkers have lapped it up. This has, of course, been exacerbated by the fact that the ever compliant MSM have published Tobacco Control's propaganda without ever checking whether or not there is any truth in the press releases they are handed. Every paper loves a good scare story. So now we have ever increasing numbers of indoctrinated anti-smokers, spitting their bile at filthy, disgusting, stupid smokers. This is a recent phenomenon, and is entirely as a result of the massive propaganda campaign which was at the outset designed to drive a wedge through society and reclassify smokers as 'untermenschen'; outcasts; a minority group to be shunned, derided and discriminated against, with the blessing of the law. Truly, Goebbels would have been ecstatic to have devised such a successful propaganda campaign. As he famously said:

 

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

 

Joseph Goebbels - Hitler's Propaganda Minister

 

For the worldwide smoking bans, we have the WHO and their chums in the pharmaceutical industry to thank.  They created (with pharmaceutical industry funding) the FCTC (Framework Convention on Tobacco Control), which they then presented to each and every nation, with the implication that if they didn't sign it, then the IMF/World Bank (sister organisations of the WHO) would be less than helpful when they were needed in the future. Naturally, most signed. (One of the few countries that hasn't ratified the FCTC is the USA, which is why there are so many different laws re smoking from state to state). This gave the WHO (who are fanatical anti-smoking zealots) the ability to dictate to countries about smoking bans. The pharmaceutical companies, having funded this, are now laughing all the way to the bank, having seen their (overpriced, of course) smoking cessation products become a multi-billion international business on the back of the bans and ever more outlandish claims made about smoking.

 

Many smokers ask why there couldn't be a compromise. "Why can't we have smoking pubs and non-smoking pubs?" they ask. "Then non-smokers who are worried about their health could go to non-smoking pubs". But they miss the point. Smoking bans have nothing to do with health. They never have. The bans are merely part of an ideological pogrom, an apartheid. Which is why we are now seeing calls for outdoor bans. Even if you believe the far-fetched claims about ambient tobacco smoke in a room being harmful,  even the hard of thinking will take some convincing that a whiff of tobacco smoke outside will constitute a risk.

 

This is a letter from a Doctor to an American newspaper from about ten years ago when the smoking bans were becoming an integral part of 'progressive' (read socialist, top-down control) politics:

 

I’m Robert E. Madden MD, FACS. I am also a non-smoker. HOWEVER I am a passionate opponent of smoking bans. Most of the opposition to the smoking bans has been based upon economic factors such as loss of business revenue, even closings. My opposition is due to loss of individual freedom and abuse of scientific fact.

 

 

I am a practicing chest surgeon, a teacher and a former cancer researcher. I am also past president of the NY Cancer Society. I will not tell you that smoking is harmless and without risk, in fact one in eight hundred smokers will develop lung cancer. Asthmatics should avoid tobacco smoke. What I will say is: 1) it’s a personal choice and 2) so called second smoke (ETS) is virtually harmless. One may not like the smell but it has not been shown to cause cancer, even in bartenders. If people do not like the odor then they may go elsewhere. Those who support the ban have no right to deny 24% of the adult population their enjoyment of a popular product based on dislike, possibly hatred of smoking. This attitude is that of a bigot, akin to anti-Semitism or racism.

 

 

To me the most offensive element of the smoking bans is the resort to science as “proving that environmental smoke, second hand smoke, causes lung cancer”. Not only is this unproven but there is abundant and substantial evidence to the contrary. It is frustrating, even insulting, for a scientist like myself to hear the bloated statistics put out by the American Cancer Society (of which I am a member) and the American Lung Association used to justify what is best described as a political agenda. Smokers enjoy smoking. Most non-smokers are neutral. Anti-smokers hate smoking. It is this last group that drives the engine of smoking bans. Smoking sections in restaurants, ventilated bars and the like have been satisfactory and used for years. To those who choose to smoke they do so at their own risk. To those eschew smoking let them patronize establishments whose owners prohibit smoking. To impose a city wide or a state wide ban is to deny people of their rights.

 

 

 

-Respectfully,

Robert E. Madden, M.D.

 

 

 

 

[Bendi]

And all the Thaivisa members go on it again. One simple question and "bang" ewerybody shuffing their opinions. Its easy you know..None smoking place, dont smoke. Can smoke, smoke. You dont like it, go an other place. Easy. No wonder there are wars in the world. And btw, the smog is by fare a bigger problem than a fellow having a cigg in an outdoor bar.

[smotherb]

6 hours ago, Rc2702 said:

Unfortunately I do believe here some people do a fake cough to voice there displeasure but I just ignore it. I never smoke and drink simultaneously unless I'm outside away from all. I smoke on the side of the road where cars pump out fumes. I take away the social aspect and get my hit and return to restaurant. Wash my hands and a mint too. I have been in a car park 30 metres from nearest person and person faked that cough cough pointing at me speaking to her daughter maybe. I put it down to having nothing better to say or do but yes I have witnessed it. I try to be as considerate as possibble but like anything you cannot please everyone.

Just how do you know the cough is faked--I can smell tobacco smoke in an outhouse; smokers do not notice, but non-smokers do--get off yourself, you have a disgusting habit; quit it.

[Scott]

Inflammatory posts removed.   Please keep it civil and stay on the topic.  

[hoffy66]

14 hours ago, DrDave said:

 

Or.... the smokers who insist on sitting in the indoor section and light-up.

 

For example, there's a restaurant that I frequent that has both indoor and outdoor sections. The indoor section has multiple "no smoking" signs complete with graphics, however people (typically Europeans) inevitably sit at one of the tables an arms-length from a no-smoking sign and start smoking as if the sign doesn't apply to them.

 

The "cough, cough" you'd hear from me isn't fake or exaggerated. I have a hypersensitivity to cigarette smoke, and when eating near someone smoking, the food tastes as if I'm licking the inside of an ashtray. That's why I seek out restaurants with no-smoking areas. Unfortunately, more often than not, my meal is completely ruined by some d**khead who thinks he has the divine right to ignore the regulations or policies and foul the air that the customers around him have no choice but to breathe.

and you do not have a problem with the air that you breathe? with all the car fumes especially when the people let them rum because it is hot   my god , i have heard it all now...

[DrDave]

2 minutes ago, hoffy66 said:

and you do not have a problem with the air that you breathe? with all the car fumes especially when the people let them rum because it is hot   my god , i have heard it all now...

There aren't any cars with their engines running inside the restaurants in which I'm trying to enjoy a meal.

[Berkshire]

9 hours ago, stevenl said:

So people who don't want to be bothered by smoke need to stay inside? Sounds like a bad deal to me.

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Not saying that.  Just saying that non-smokers can easily avoid smokers if they wanted to.  But if you choose to go into a designated smoking area and then complain about it, well....

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, hoffy66 said:

and you do not have a problem with the air that you breathe? with all the car fumes especially when the people let them rum because it is hot   my god , i have heard it all now...

I would have a problem with the car fumes if the car was parked at the next table with its engine running!

[Henryford]

Farangs are the worse. They think because they live in a country with no laws they can do what they want and <deleted> everyone else. The same with driving.

[fruitman]

11 hours ago, psyvolt said:

What a load of hogwash.. 

We all know you wouldn't do such a thing, and your only making an idiot of yourself by saying you would.

 

As for other ppl saying that smoking is intolerable and they cant stand it due to how much it ruins a meal, I always find it funny when someone is sitting outside having a drink/meal and smoke, and a non smoker then doesnt seem to have the same problems when they then choose to come have there meal/drink outside next to the smokers table.

 

The anti smoking brigade just loves to throw a whole heap of hyperbole around, acting as though you have killed 100 kittens and ran a child down when you dare light up in an open dinning area.

 

I have 2 kittens under my carport right now, serious! They are straycats and i sure won't feed them...yesterday i sprayed them with water but they keep on coming back to shit in my garden and annoy me. 

 

I don't smoke in any open dining area, only where they have ashtrays at a table. And i hope to meet JVS one day when i smoke at such a place. Let him call the police or walk away without paying...he has to learn where he is right now, must be new to Thailand.

[psyvolt]

2 minutes ago, fruitman said:

 i hope to meet JVS one day when i smoke at such a place. Let him call the police or walk away without paying...he has to learn where he is right now, must be new to Thailand.

He has the skills of a warrior, some might even call him: A keyboard Warrior Raaaaaaaaah.

[psyvolt]

10 hours ago, Bendi said:

Its easy you know..None smoking place, dont smoke. Can smoke, smoke. You dont like it, go an other place. Easy.

Bang, hit the nail on the head! Some ppl will never be satisfied thou.

[Nurseynutcase]

16 hours ago, gamini said:

Thanks to people like him I suffer from COPD. chronic obstructive pulmonary disease caused by second-hand smoke

 

Sorry to disillusion you but there was alot of research undertaken many years ago by Southampton University by a professor who wanted to prove the connection between second hand smoke and lung disease.  He could NOT prove the connection.  Unfortunately as it did not suit the health authorities it was supressed.  This research was NOT funded by the tobacco companies I hasten to add.

 

Many years later some research undertaken by the Welcome Institute found a genetic link for chronic lung disease, which means that even if you have never smoked or been exposed to second hand smoke you are likely to develop problems.  My 46 year old friend has this despite never smoking and only rarely being exposed to smoke.

 

My Auntie who died at 94, lived through the London smogs and had only a small living room that was always wreathed in cigarette smoke, - never had any breathing problems.

 

the same research also found that some people have a gene that protects them from developing smoking related lung cancer in spite of the fact that they may smoke heavily and over a long period of time.

 

There are many forms of lung cancer, only one of which is associated with tobacco consumption and that is adenocarcinoma.

 

I will keep on smoking as i enjoy it, Thailand is a free and easy place where i can have a cigarette and a drink in the warm and at the same time.  Unlike in the UK.

[Grubster]

19 hours ago, rak sa_ngop said:

Latest research shows that smoking causes permanent mutations to your DNA. Give up smoking for 20 years and you can still get smoking related cancer.

 

Quote:    "The analysis shows a direct link between the number of cigarettes smoked in a lifetime and the number of mutations in tumour DNA."

 

So your choice is either to stop smoking and avoid second hand smoke.

 

Or carry on smoking because the damage is already done.

 

But it is near on criminal to force other people to breathe your cigarette smoke.

 

 

 

It is also stupidity for a anti smoker to go sit next to the smokers just because they are much more fun to be around. I don't force anybody to breath my smoke. I don't smoke inside and if you don't like me or my smoke please find a place that doesn't allow it in or out. All the bars and restraunts have the right to not let me smoke there.