Racism, anger and why dual pricing makes sense to Thai people

[JimmyJ]

44 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

You can get the Thai price if you get the pink card, simples.

 

What is the pink card?

[Shawn0000]

1 minute ago, Mark123456 said:

I don't think you understand what I'm saying. You seem to think that one person refusing to pay is not going to affect the tourist attractions in question; I'm merely pointing out that it's not just one person and it may well affect them in the long run. What you choose to do with your money is of course your own business but I've seen some of the tourist attractions that practise double pricing and trust me, I'm quite sure I'm not missing out on anything. It's a big old world and there are plenty of other places to visit outside of this country.

 

My point was that the individual misses out the most, after all, it is only a few grumpy expats who won't pay, the millions of tourists do without question, there is no big boycott movement happening, just a few expats using it as an excuse to do even less with their time in Thailand.

[Shawn0000]

Just now, JimmyJ said:

 

What is the pink card?

 

It's a foreigners ID card, search for it, there a few articles written about it, you may be eligible.

[Shawn0000]

8 minutes ago, maxpower said:

 

Thais increase prices because they are greedy opportunists. The Japanese offer incentives to encourage tourism. Japan is an expensive country to visit for some.

Having said that, my posting before Thailand was Japan. I place the Japanese quite high on my racist list.

 

Thais offer incentives to encourage local tourism, if you look at it as foreigners pay the full amount while Thais get a discount, you will see there is no difference at all.  That was how it was presented to me in India where they do the same.

[bangrak]

'...makes sense to Thai people': Thai people and, even common, sense... Hard to associate, isn't it? ...While 'the system' does everything it can, for centuries, using all of its, extended, powers, to des-educate the Thais from kindergarten age on, to eliminate any sense, common or other, from the brains of its victims(!)... I do love, and respect, 'small', poor, real-Thai, coutry-side people, so much goodness, generosity, honesty in them, 'the system' didn't succeed in brainwashing away from them! But, as things are today, I couldn't honestly write a sentence with '...makes sense to Thai people', alas, alas.

[bangrak]

34 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Ultimately, Thailand will not feel the loss from you choosing not to visit one of the tourist attractions with dual pricing, but you might.

'Shawn0000': 'There is no worst blind than the one who doesn't want to see', the principial aspect seems to escape you totally: for a country pretending to(!) be welcoming for tourists (the 'Thai smile' and the rest of the bull, you know) as opposed to charging, not just double, eventually, but many times times the price of a ticket for a Thai, is just, plain, hypocrisy, on top of greed, and when any proof needed for local racism and xhenophobia, this might be the one.

Making how many Trillions of Baht with tourism? 'Tourists will always come to Thailand, tourists love Thailand', ah yeah, wait and see, the more so when you go on like that!

[wakeupplease]

44 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

If it is not racist to offer foreigners a discount in Japan while Japanese pay the full amount then how can it be racist to offer Thais a discount in Thailand while foreigners pay the full amount?

The discount in japan is to foreigners who buy something then leave the country with it IE vat free as you do not live there so not libel for tax its exported

Most countries do the same

 

Try charging two prices in the UK or Europe like Thais do HERE and you my friend will go to jail

Why

Its called racialism and those in the real word will not accept it

 

I would love to see you in a shop or market in the UK and see you try that on as trading standards and police would have you banged up in hours

 

No matter what color, creed or religion you are there are standards you must attain in civilized countries

 

Unlike Thailand that's why the lights are dimming in this country

 

Wake Up Please my friend

[Shawn0000]

6 minutes ago, bangrak said:

'Shawn0000': 'There is no worst blind than the one who doesn't want to see', the principial aspect seems to escape you totally: for a country pretending to(!) be welcoming for tourists (the 'Thai smile' and the rest of the bull, you know) as opposed to charging, not just double, eventually, but many times times the price of a ticket for a Thai, is just, plain, hypocrisy, on top of greed, and when any proof needed for local racism and xhenophobia, this might be the one.

Making how many Trillions of Baht with tourism? 'Tourists will always come to Thailand, tourists love Thailand', ah yeah, wait and see, the more so when you go on like that!

 

Funny, doesnt seem to be putting people off visiting the Taj Mahal, it's still packed despite the 1000% higher price for non Indians, in fact neither does it seem to be putting off the tourists in Thailand, visited Erawan or Khao Yai recently?  Both horribly full of tourists who happily paid the higher fees, the only people left outside grumbling are the expats, it really doesn't effect tourism at all other than generating more revenue from them.  But ok, let's wait and see if this dual pricing, which has gone on for some time already, has an effect on Thai tourism, I very much doubt it but we will see.

[wakeupplease]

34 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

It's a foreigners ID card, search for it, there a few articles written about it, you may be eligible.

 

Its too late there are better opportunities for Farangs down the road where you are treated like humans and equals

[rott]

2 hours ago, wakeupplease said:

Never had a problem with dual prices outside of the scumbag areas areas of BKK, Pattaya and pu-ket?. as in the rest of the country they want the trade and know they will loose it if they over charge. My wife who is Thai came up with a way of beating them anyway when shopping and she wants to buy something, the code word of walkon is delivered and she does the buying while I walk up the road. saved loads that has.

 

She recently said she was ashamed of her country now as its very racist among other comments one really shocked me.

 

I quote

The lights are going out fast here in Thailand with the tourists and locals who do live abroad, lets not visit again.

 

sad but true and that is why we said good bye to a country we both loved even though it is the most racialist country in the world as far as the ATM & scams goes

Can you please give examples of the dual pricing in the "scumbag" areas of Bangkok and Pattaya.

 

I have spent much time in both places, presumably including what you think of as "scumbag" areas and am genuinely unaware of dual pricing.

 

While you are at it please list the "scumbag" areas.

[Shawn0000]

6 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

The discount in japan is to foreigners who buy something then leave the country with it IE vat free as you do not live there so not libel for tax its exported

Most countries do the same

 

Try charging two prices in the UK or Europe like Thais do HERE and you my friend will go to jail

Why

Its called racialism and those in the real word will not accept it

 

I would love to see you in a shop or market in the UK and see you try that on as trading standards and police would have you banged up in hours

 

No matter what color, creed or religion you are there are standards you must attain in civilized countries

 

Unlike Thailand that's why the lights are dimming in this country

 

Wake Up Please my friend

 

I was referring to the discounted rail tickets for tourists not reclaiming VAT.

 

Many countries have dual pricing, Switzerland is one in Europe, there is nothing racist about offering nationals a different price to non nationals, basically because it is done regardless of race.

[wakeupplease]

3 minutes ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Funny, doesnt seem to be putting people off visiting the Taj Mahal, it's still packed despite the 1000% higher price for non Indians, in fact neither does it seem to be putting off the tourists in Thailand, visited Erawan or Khao Yai recently?  Both horribly full of tourists who happily paid the higher fees, the only people left outside grumbling are the expats, it really doesn't effect tourism at all other than generating more revenue from them.  But ok, let's wait and see if this dual pricing, which has gone on for some time already, has an effect on Thai tourism, I very much doubt it but we will see.

 

Have you been to one of the PM's re-education camps or just missing a bit of the puzzel

I expect you also are a fan of the TAT Lady

look up TAT on Google and you will have the correct answer

Thailand 2017 as the lights start to go out

[rott]

 

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Thailand 2017 as the lights start to go out

Ha ha not again, these lights have been going out for the twenty years that I have been here. In the meantime my GBP gets less than half the baht it used to.

 

Well OK less than half it got at one time.

Edited January 13, 2017 by rott

[wakeupplease]

5 minutes ago, rott said:

Can you please give examples of the dual pricing in the "scumbag" areas of Bangkok and Pattaya.

 

I have spent much time in both places, presumably including what you think of as "scumbag" areas and am genuinely unaware of dual pricing.

 

While you are at it please list the "scumbag" areas.

 

I will do BKK as I do not want to waste TV server storage

 

I stood by my wife who is Thai who wanted a suitcase to put the extras in we bought to take home Price 4000B

She went back later same shop same guy same suitcase she bought it 1325B

 

Tshirts for me BKK at Phatunam? 300b wife said no and went on her own 100B

 

big shopping center next door they sell a lot of ladies clothes, wife who is Thai told me to sod off as prices where double with me around

 

Computer place next door UFO or Drone 4500 to me 1500 to her after she saved loads buying cloths next door

Ps dam thing flew off on its own when i fired it up, never to be seen again, but that is the fault of the Chinese or me not sure

 

Lottery Ticket 200b, Must have been thinking I was buying a UK Ticket

 

One 4 hour afternoon on my last visit to thailand, but will visit nice people next door as they do not Price Fix, 0ne price for all and say thank you come again

 

so many more but TV server space will end up full if I go on

 

To end

 

What Is A Scumbag Place to me?

 

Well anywhere that Corruption, Dual Pricing, Murder, Deception, Lies and Scams occur every day all day

 

London in its hey day was never this bad and boy it was bad way back and those guys knew how to fight

 

Love the Country and very sad to see the lights starting to go out

Times Up Thailand

[JimmyJ]

 

One thing is for sure - the dual pricing does engender much bad feeling.

 

13 days ago  I started this thread:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/961492-how-can-newbies-to-thailand-avoid-paying-farang-prices/

and it received 131 posts.

I wrote the OP because I'd seen many references to "the farang price" in many posts on different topics while reading  TV forums.

 

This thread is receiving equal attention.

There have probably been many similar threads previously in TV.

There is the article that the OP cited in this thread as another example of interest in this topic.

 

Obviously the dual pricing is upsetting to many.

Nobody likes to feel they've been taken advantage of or been cheated in some way.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 13, 2017 by JimmyJ

[ocddave]

4 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

I am fortunate that I am good looking so I always get quoted the best price at the gogos.

 

I am fortunate that I am ugly as sin, and that I have my own clippers to cut my own hair with ;-)

[wakeupplease]

32 minutes ago, rott said:

 

Ha ha not again, these lights have been going out for the twenty years that I have been here. In the meantime my GBP gets less than half the baht it used to.

 

Well OK less than half it got at one time.

So I work hard to keep you here OK glad I did not do that and can go home to my own house and not have to worry about what I can say and do and have to go to the border every 3 months. As you are a Brit do you think we should make the Thais who live in the UK to earn money to send here to keep the lights on do as you and others like you have to do

no is the answer mate

we are civilized, understanding and helpful and although some of our politicians a mad I Think we do let you vote your way

 

lights are on the way out, next thing we will hear is our PM gets a ransom note from Mr brainless asking for cash to let you leave if he does not kick farangs out first

 

Sorry love the Country and 65million people but those few in y  Pi-- me off

Edited January 13, 2017 by wakeupplease

[laislica]

16 minutes ago, wakeupplease said:

So I work hard to keep you here OK glad I did not do that and can go home to my own house and not have to worry about what I can say and do and have to go to the border every 3 months. As you are a Brit do you think we should make the Thais who live in the UK to earn money to send here to keep the lights on do as you and others like you have to do

no is the answer mate

we are civilized, understanding and helpful and although some of our politicians a mad I Think we do let you vote your way

 

lights are on the way out, next thing we will hear is our PM gets a ransom note from Mr brainless asking for cash to let you leave if he does not kick farans out first

 

Sorry love the Country and 65million people but those few in y  Pi-- me off

Hope I'm not going too far off topic but....

 

UK Civilised? What?

They turned down a visa for my Thai wife to spend a three week holiday with me!

The UK will not let my Thai wife live with me in the uk unless she passes English verbal, reading and writing tests and a knowledge test that many born and bred English would fail. I also have to prove that I have at least 18k/annum.

Should I mention the cost of taking the test?
then there's the special books and courses to attend to achieve a pass. She's an old lady, doesn't work so what's that all about?

Yes, Nanny state UK does not generally allow double pricing but the new charges for foreigners to use the UK's NHS seem a bit dodgy?

 

 

 

[cyberfarang]

1 hour ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

My point was that the individual misses out the most, after all, it is only a few grumpy expats who won't pay, the millions of tourists do without question, there is no big boycott movement happening, just a few expats using it as an excuse to do even less with their time in Thailand.

Trust me charging tourists fees to enter attractions that maybe multiple times more than the fees for Thai visitors or even free for Thais, does have an affect on Thailand`s tourist industry. They may get bitten once, but twice then they soon catch on. Tourists will go home and spread the word. They may be able to squeeze the golden goose, but through greed they are killing off completely.

 

 

[Rhys]

Passive aggressive....

[Jingthing]

I go out of my way to avoid situations where there is any ambiguity with pricing. In my earlier years I didn't but just got sick of that ripped off feeling.

[Shawn0000]

12 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Trust me charging tourists fees to enter attractions that maybe multiple times more than the fees for Thai visitors or even free for Thais, does have an affect on Thailand`s tourist industry. They may get bitten once, but twice then they soon catch on. Tourists will go home and spread the word. They may be able to squeeze the golden goose, but through greed they are killing off completely.

 

 

 

Dual pricing has existed for a long while and ever since tourist numbers have increased and revenue has increased, your assertion is not based on any resemblance of fact.

[Shawn0000]

1 hour ago, wakeupplease said:

 

I will do BKK as I do not want to waste TV server storage

 

I stood by my wife who is Thai who wanted a suitcase to put the extras in we bought to take home Price 4000B

She went back later same shop same guy same suitcase she bought it 1325B

 

Tshirts for me BKK at Phatunam? 300b wife said no and went on her own 100B

 

big shopping center next door they sell a lot of ladies clothes, wife who is Thai told me to sod off as prices where double with me around

 

Computer place next door UFO or Drone 4500 to me 1500 to her after she saved loads buying cloths next door

Ps dam thing flew off on its own when i fired it up, never to be seen again, but that is the fault of the Chinese or me not sure

 

Lottery Ticket 200b, Must have been thinking I was buying a UK Ticket

 

One 4 hour afternoon on my last visit to thailand, but will visit nice people next door as they do not Price Fix, 0ne price for all and say thank you come again

 

so many more but TV server space will end up full if I go on

 

To end

 

What Is A Scumbag Place to me?

 

Well anywhere that Corruption, Dual Pricing, Murder, Deception, Lies and Scams occur every day all day

 

London in its hey day was never this bad and boy it was bad way back and those guys knew how to fight

 

Love the Country and very sad to see the lights starting to go out

Times Up Thailand

 

Ok, so your problem is not the official dual pricing but actually your ignorance of the barter system leaving you unable to get a good price in a shop, right?  Its not that hard, they say a price, you say a lower one, they may then try somewhere in the middle and you can do the same, got it?

 

By the way, the lights are not going out, it has improved no end in the 17 years I have known Thailand.

[JesseHumphry]

2 hours ago, wakeupplease said:

 

I will do BKK as I do not want to waste TV server storage

Alright, so firstly your entire message adds up to less than 300B of 'storage'. It's actually logged as an SQL entry to be called when the page is viewed. Don't present pseudo-knowledge as a mask for laziness, you just look bad.

Secondly, I'd like to know where the people experiencing the dual-pricing are living? I'm considering moving to Thailand, Chiang Mai specifically. A lot of people seem to be hovering around the Bangkok and Pattaya regions, curious to see if other people have experienced this in areas significantly further away than the capital. Chiang Mai is pretty tourist-y but from what I've read on it, it seems to be a different beast entirely. 

[wobblyjohn]

6 hours ago, bokningar said:

As long as you are happy, but I can't find 1 price there that I cant fine a cheaper option on ebay or even Lazada, when they have smilar stuff.

 

3500mAh Extended Battery + Back Cover For Samsung I9000 Galaxy S

 

Bang good price ฿255.83

Lazada price ฿837

 

Definitely going to start checking prices now

 

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Ultimately, Thailand will not feel the loss from you choosing not to visit one of the tourist attractions with dual pricing, but you might.

 

Nope ... I don't.

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, Shawn0000 said:

 

Its actually the kind of logic someone uses when they would rather see the attraction then protest against a sytem they don't actually disagree with anyway.  I happily pay the little extra and I get to see the most incredible bits of Thailand, your loss not theirs, trust me.

 

You appear to be the Thai Visa apologist for this appalling practice?

 

I think the rest of the world should also apply dual pricing to Thais ... an extra 20% onto the price if you are Thai ... just to even things out. 

[eldragon]

Dual pricing will never hurt tourism. For the most part, it only bothers expats. It's a haggle society though. I think it's difficult for most of us to get accustomed to asking for a lower price, but I find I usually get it when I do.


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[Thechook]

9 hours ago, laislica said:

 

 

Racist or not, IMHO any Thai family supported be a farang makes them all non Thai as far as price gouging is concerned. They are the lucky lotto winners so have money to burn!  If we are in a market and my wife sees something I like, I continue walking and she makes her purchase.

When we get work done on her house, I stay well out of the way whilst the job is priced and agreed.  Sometimes there is a look on the workman's face that says Sh1t, I'd have charged more if I'd known!

Yep, my wife tells me to move away  or stay in the car whilst she shops also.  She gets so annoyed when she is charged more simply for being married to a non Thai. 

[DM07]

Soooooo....one argument is: the locals think you are rich, because you spend your holiday here! Do they also think, you steal their soul, if you take picture of them?
What century is this?


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