Do you think Trump will be impeached or forced to resign?

[UncleTouchyFingers]

Stormy Daniels is going on Jimmy Kimmel Live after the State of the Union Address on the 30th. 

 

Should be interesting to see if the liberal media has to eat more crow or not. 

 

Should also be interesting to see if the "tolerant" liberals (muh wemons rights) go on an abusive attack spree on twitter afterwords. 

 

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/stormy-daniels-set-appear-jimmy-kimmel-live-1078644

 

 

Edited January 26, 2018 by UncleTouchyFingers

[Jools]

1 hour ago, papa al said:

 

“A lot of people are disappointed in the Justice Department, including me,”

Trump told reporters.

;-)

 

Because the Justice Department was designed to prop up the wishes of the Executive Branch....Yup!!!

[heybruce]

21 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

I think you can find support from most people on most of that except for the guns part. 

 

Problem being is that people like myself, I have other priorities that go ahead on that list. 

 

Guns

Immigration. 

Healthcare (Cost)

Taxes.

Jobs.

Retirement. 

Investments. 

Home Equity. 

Etc. Etc. 

 

Those things are more important to me than what some <deleted> in the UK think.

 

I also notice you didnt mention healthcare on that list, im inclined to think that by naming it you would have to own the disaster it is right now (thanks obama) 

These things matter to you?

 

Guns--why?

Immigration--other than providing affordable food, how has that affected your life?

Healthcare (cost)--demand universal health care.  Countries that have it provide better healthcare for much less than the US.

Taxes--I assume you expect to be dead before the exploding deficit has to be dealt with.  Better die soon.

Jobs--doing fine before Trump.

Retirement--I hope you weren't planning on Social Security with that retirement.  The Republicans have it in their sites.

Investments--did very well under Obama.

Home equity--Trump's rush to deregulate banks are laying the foundation for another bubble.  Has he done anything to support home values?

 

Etc., etc.

Edited January 26, 2018 by heybruce

[UncleTouchyFingers]

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

These things matter to you?

 

Guns--why?

Immigration--other than providing affordable food, how has that affected your life?

Healthcare (cost)--demand universal health care.  Countries that have it provide better healthcare for much less than the US.

Taxes--I assume you expect to be dead before the exploding deficit has to be dealt with.  Better die soon.

Jobs--doing fine before Trump.

Retirement--I hope you weren't planning on Social Security with that retirement.  The Republicans have it in their sites.

Investments--did very well under Obama.

Home equity--Trump's rush to deregulate banks are laying the foundation for another bubble.  Has he done anything to support home values?

 

Etc., etc.

 

Its gonna be a circular, never ending discussion with people like you because your focus is on nevertrump no matter what, yet all economic evidence points to the contrary.

 

Ive made my bets & if the ass falls out then ok but until that happens I will take my accountants & tax guys advise combined with the available economic news coming out daily over some nobody on an obscure forum full of #resisters. 

 

Guns, because 'Merica. 

 

Immigration, because ive had my identity stolen (SS Number) and used for fraudulent employment that messed up my younger years for a bit and was a galactic PITA to get rectified. Plus I have no problem with immigration at all. I have a problem with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. 

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Its gonna be a circular, never ending discussion with people like you because your focus is on nevertrump no matter what, yet all economic evidence points to the contrary.

 

Ive made my bets & if the ass falls out then ok but until that happens I will take my accountants & tax guys advise combined with the available economic news coming out daily over some nobody on an obscure forum full of #resisters. 

 

Guns, because 'Merica. 

 

Immigration, because ive had my identity stolen (SS Number) and used for fraudulent employment that messed up my younger years for a bit and was a galactic PITA to get rectified. Plus I have no problem with immigration at all. I have a problem with ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. 

My focus is on competence in the White House and with the nuclear codes.   Currently there is none.

 

You identify guns with America?  Do you identify slavery with America also?  Why don't you identify immigration with America?

 

The economy is following the same trend it did before Trump.  The tax cuts are going to cause an exploding deficit, which will have to be dealt with.  Paul Ryan definitely wants to use the deficit to justify cutting Social Security.    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/01/gop-eyes-post-tax-cut-changes-to-welfare-medicare-and-social-security/?utm_term=.94ea77e32ed0

 

How was your identity theft related to immigration?  Isn't it better to do a better job of protecting your personal information?

[Thakkar]

35 minutes ago, heybruce said:

My focus is on competence in the White House and with the nuclear codes.   Currently there is none.

 

You identify guns with America?  Do you identify slavery with America also?  Why don't you identify immigration with America?

 

The economy is following the same trend it did before Trump.  The tax cuts are going to cause an exploding deficit, which will have to be dealt with.  Paul Ryan definitely wants to use the deficit to justify cutting Social Security.    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/12/01/gop-eyes-post-tax-cut-changes-to-welfare-medicare-and-social-security/?utm_term=.94ea77e32ed0

 

How was your identity theft related to immigration?  Isn't it better to do a better job of protecting your personal information?

 

Everything bad is Obama’s fault. Everything good is trump’s genius doing. Ipso facto QED, dontcha know?

Edited January 26, 2018 by Thakkar

[heybruce]

4 minutes ago, Thakkar said:

 

Everything bad is Obama’s fault. Everything good is trump’s genius doing. Ipso facto QED, dontcha know?

That's the Faux News take on things.

[UncleTouchyFingers]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

My focus is on competence in the White House and with the nuclear codes.   Currently there is none.

 

Trump can not singlehandedly set off nukes. Hyperbole. 

 

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

Why don't you identify immigration with America?

 

I do, but the conversation isn't about immigration its about todays illegal immigration problem, not Americas history of immigrants. Don't deflect man 14 year old girls do that. 

 

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

How was your identity theft related to immigration?  Isn't it better to do a better job of protecting your personal information?

 

Now I know how rape victims feel when they get victim blamed. 

It was stolen by a hispanic male and I was informed that it was an illegal alien by the SSA. 

 

More circular arguments combined with concern trolling. 

[Rhys]

Think he will get the clap craw...

[Skywalker69]

Fmr. Steelworkers President: Everything Trump’s Done Since He Took Office Is Hurting Working Class People

 

JONES: "Here in Indianapolis, we’ve suffered job losses, but it’s throughout this country. And something’s got to be done in order to call to a halt. Trump promised. He needs to deliver. He hadn’t done anything... Yeah, and Rich Trumka is right on.

 

Everything that Donald Trump’s done since he took office is hurting the working class people from his appointments on Department of Labor to some of his regulations that he’s gotten away with. Nothing has been positive that I’m aware of."

 

https://grabien.com/story.php?id=151141

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Trump can not singlehandedly set off nukes. Hyperbole. 

 

 

I do, but the conversation isn't about immigration its about todays illegal immigration problem, not Americas history of immigrants. Don't deflect man 14 year old girls do that. 

 

 

Now I know how rape victims feel when they get victim blamed. 

It was stolen by a hispanic male and I was informed that it was an illegal alien by the SSA. 

 

More circular arguments combined with concern trolling. 

I am  a retired USAF officer, I spent much of my career working on nuclear weapon delivery systems.  What are your qualifications?  If Trump gives the order, nukes will be in the air in minutes unless there is an immediate high-level military mutiny, or unless someone in the chain of command unilaterally decides it isn't a legal order. 

 

" the operational plan for nuclear strike orders is entirely concerned with the identity of the commanding officer and the authenticity of the order, and there are no safeguards to verify that the person issuing the order is actually sane."    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

 

We're full circle on immigration, only now you've qualified your original statement with "illegal".  That makes it your deflection.  You've had problems with one person who you were told was an illegal immigrant.  You've never had problems with legal citizens?   Do you think the illegal immigration problem justifies spending $25 billion on a wall that won't work?

 

I've been in a total of three auto accidents, all the other driver's fault, and the other driver was twice a white male and once a white female.  I don't use that as justification for denying white people the right to drive.   Also, I don't think identity theft is comparable to rape, unless you are one delicate snowflake.  Suggesting you better protect your personal information is similar to advising you to not leave your car unattended with the keys in the ignition.

 

Trolling is crediting Trump with wonderful things unsupported by facts, and challenging the credibility of others who point out your lack of facts. 

[boomerangutang]

3 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

I think you can find support from most people on most of that except for the guns part.  Problem being is that people like myself, I have other priorities that go ahead on that list.  

Guns / Immigration / Healthcare (Cost) / Taxes / Jobs / Retirement. 

Investments / Home Equity / Etc. Etc. 

Those things are more important to me than what some <deleted> in the UK think. I also notice you didnt mention healthcare on that list, im inclined to think that by naming it you would have to own the disaster it is right now (thanks obama) 

We probably agree on many points (...things which are important to Americans).  I didn't mention HC and many other items. 

 

       Although we're both white American males in our 3rd trimester of life, Trump and I differ on a plethora of issues.  Our personalities are quite different.  I don't tell lies. I'm monetarily poor.  I'm thin, eat good food, am outdoors and exercise daily. 

 

I have a better knowledge base than Trump on many issues, not least: geography, world history, international relations.   Trump is more knowledgeable than I on topics like;  getting loans by nefarious means, borrowing tens of millions of dollars, golf course management, coming on to women like a bitch (his own words), denigrating people and name-calling, ripping off contractors, and getting chummy with Putin and other Russian oligarchs.

 

3 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Stormy Daniels is going on Jimmy Kimmel Live after the State of the Union Address on the 30th. 

If that's true, that could be fun to watch. I suspect the WH is going apeshit trying to find a way to keep her off the air.  Like everyone else who has had in-person involvements with Trump (except his son, but including all his wives), ....Trump insists on them signing non-disclosure agreements.  It's required, and applies to Stormy also.   So, even if she does go on the Kimmel show, don't be surprised if most of his questions are met with something like, "I'm not allowed to answer that."

[Jingthing]

Any president can order nukes to be launched. trump shouldn't be there but alas he occupies the office of the president. 

[heybruce]

52 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Any president can order nukes to be launched. trump shouldn't be there but alas he occupies the office of the president. 

Trumpies are in stubborn denial of this.  I'm reluctantly coming around to the idea that people should be required to pass a basic civics test, covering powers and responsibilities of the President, before they are allowed to register to vote.

[Scott]

Off-topic posts and replies removed.  

[bendejo]

5 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

If that's true, that could be fun to watch. I suspect the WH is going apeshit trying to find a way to keep her off the air.  Like everyone else who has had in-person involvements with Trump (except his son, but including all his wives), ....Trump insists on them signing non-disclosure agreements.  It's required, and applies to Stormy also.   So, even if she does go on the Kimmel show, don't be surprised if most of his questions are met with something like, "I'm not allowed to answer that."

 

She may be a stripper but she's not an idiot.  There is a clip in this link of her handling such questions -- she keeps her trap shut.

http://www.newsweek.com/stormy-threat-trump-affair-791969

 

 

[Ruffian Dick]

46 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

She may be a stripper but she's not an idiot.  There is a clip in this link of her handling such questions -- she keeps her trap shut.

http://www.newsweek.com/stormy-threat-trump-affair-791969

Apparently she will open her "trap" for the right amount or the right guy...

[ballpoint]

4 hours ago, Ruffian Dick said:

Apparently she will open her "trap" for the right amount or the right guy...

Yes, her lips are sealed, but when she met a fool and his money they soon parted.

[lannarebirth]

15 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Yes, her lips are sealed, but when she met a fool and his money they soon parted.

 

That's pretty funny.

[Srikcir]

12 hours ago, boomerangutang said:

"I'm not allowed to answer that."

Thus far any possible nondisclosure agreement between Donald Trump and Stephanie Clifford has been accepted as binding.

There might be flaws in such a possible agreement between Donald Trump and Stephanie Clifford that might jeopardize its legality and or enforcement (see https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/4339/when-can-an-nda-be-legally-broken for partial reference):

• It doesn't apply to protect a commission of a crime - The alleged affair took place at the Edgewood Tahoe Golf Club in Douglas County, Nevada. If Stephanie was paid for sex, a crime was committed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada
• It doesn't apply to hide fraud - Trump was married to Melanie. "A bargain, performance of which would tend to harm third persons by deceiving them as to material facts, or by defrauding them, or without justification by other means is illegal.
• False identities - Stormy Daniels real name is Stephanie Clifford. Use of 'Stormy Daniels' or Stephanie 'Daniels' would be incorrect. Pseudonyms were alleged to have been used in some of the agreements: ‘Peggy Peterson' as Stormy and ‘David Dennison' as Trump. Although it was claimed that real names were used in copies of a "side" agreement held by their respective attorneys.  https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/did-donald-trump-pay-porn-star-stormy-daniels-to-keep-quiet-about-an-affair.html
• The agreement was allegedly executed through the umbrella of a Delaware LLC created just for the agreement using pseudomyns to keep the $130,000 payment from the public. If the LLC was created for an unlawful purpose such as money laundering or bribe for an illegal act, the DOJ might challenge it - but that would be Trump's DOJ.

  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-donald-trump

 

Edited January 27, 2018 by Srikcir

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[ToddinChonburi]

On 5/21/2017 at 10:44 AM, Silurian said:

Right now, the doofus POTUS is actually a big plus to Democrats. The more stupid and idiotic he looks and the more the kowtowed congress goes along, the more and more likely Democrats will take the house in 2018. As much as some Democrats want impeachment or a resignation, I think they hope it won't happen until late next year after the elections are done. There is no bigger selling point for the Democrats than the failing POTUS. It makes for excellent ads.

 

It can actually be better for Republicans to cut the rope now before they hang as a whole but that won't happen. They have no idea how to finesse this to their advantage. They were too busy being the party of "NO" for so long, they forgot how to do anything else but be stubborn.

 

You really have no understanding of what he is doing.

[EVENKEEL]

Dow Jones passed 26,600. I don't know about most folks but my pocket book dictates my voting. So....my vote is for Trump. Beat the drums all you want but the fact is Trump is doing a decent job so far considering all the head wind he's encountered. Give him some wind off the stern and calm seas to see what he can really accomplish.

[Gulfsailor]

1 hour ago, Srikcir said:

Thus far any possible nondisclosure agreement between Donald Trump and Stephanie Clifford has been accepted as binding.

There might be flaws in such a possible agreement between Donald Trump and Stephanie Clifford that might jeopardize its legality and or enforcement (see https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/4339/when-can-an-nda-be-legally-broken for partial reference):

• It doesn't apply to protect a commission of a crime - The alleged affair took place at the Edgewood Tahoe Golf Club in Douglas County, Nevada. If Stephanie was paid for sex, a crime was committed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada
• It doesn't apply to hide fraud - Trump was married to Melanie. "A bargain, performance of which would tend to harm third persons by deceiving them as to material facts, or by defrauding them, or without justification by other means is illegal.
• False identities - Stormy Daniels real name is Stephanie Clifford. Use of 'Stormy Daniels' or Stephanie 'Daniels' would be incorrect. Pseudonyms were alleged to have been used in some of the agreements: ‘Peggy Peterson' as Stormy and ‘David Dennison' as Trump. Although it was claimed that real names were used in copies of a "side" agreement held by their respective attorneys.  https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/01/did-donald-trump-pay-porn-star-stormy-daniels-to-keep-quiet-about-an-affair.html
• The agreement was allegedly executed through the umbrella of a Delaware LLC created just for the agreement using pseudomyns to keep the $130,000 payment from the public. If the LLC was created for an unlawful purpose such as money laundering or bribe for an illegal act, the DOJ might challenge it - but that would be Trump's DOJ.

  https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/01/michael-cohen-stormy-daniels-donald-trump

 

Trump and Melania were 

married and resident of New York when Trump allegedly committed adultery. Adultery is a crime in New York. Thus NDA is void.  

[boomerangutang]

30 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Dow Jones passed 26,600. I don't know about most folks but my pocket book dictates my voting. So....my vote is for Trump. Beat the drums all you want but the fact is Trump is doing a decent job so far considering all the head wind he's encountered. Give him some wind off the stern and calm seas to see what he can really accomplish.

Dow Jones rose more during Obama's first year than during Trump's. Some people define the US's progress by amounts of money and/or that giant roulette wheel called Wall Street.  In contrast, judge US's progress by how content and safe its people are, and how well the environment is taken care of.  By those yardsticks, the US is worse off with Trump (or his decision-making handlers) at the helm.  

If he gets any more wind in his sails, he'll continue to steer the ship of state towards rocky shoals.  No thanks.  The more he's restricted, the better.

[riclag]

18 hours ago, heybruce said:

These things matter to you?

 

Guns--why?

Immigration--other than providing affordable food, how has that affected your life?

Healthcare (cost)--demand universal health care.  Countries that have it provide better healthcare for much less than the US.

Taxes--I assume you expect to be dead before the exploding deficit has to be dealt with.  Better die soon.

Jobs--doing fine before Trump.

Retirement--I hope you weren't planning on Social Security with that retirement.  The Republicans have it in their sites.

Investments--did very well under Obama.

Home equity--Trump's rush to deregulate banks are laying the foundation for another bubble.  Has he done anything to support home values?

 

Etc., etc.

Why can't this impeachment topic stay on track

[riclag]

51 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Dow Jones passed 26,600. I don't know about most folks but my pocket book dictates my voting. So....my vote is for Trump. Beat the drums all you want but the fact is Trump is doing a decent job so far considering all the head wind he's encountered. Give him some wind off the stern and calm seas to see what he can really accomplish.

The Davos meeting ended up confirming PTrump  number one accomplishment,  bringing money and jobs back to America .Did you see that meeting with all the big  global CEO's? All that power at the table,just confirms that they aren't worried about him being impeached or that he is mentally  impaired, lol. America is open for business.

[Meljames]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Dow Jones passed 26,600. I don't know about most folks but my pocket book dictates my voting

So you voted for Hils last election and Obama the one before that. Fair enough.

Edited January 27, 2018 by Meljames

[dick dasterdly]

Trump is an immediately, objectionable creature (IMO) - but he was elected as the 'ordinary' American voter in less wealthy communities were sick and tired of the status quo.

 

I suspect they saw Hilary as an extension of this, and Trump as a possible alternative.

 

So many people were sure Trump would be impeached/forced to resign within 3 months of his election - but it's still all talk....

 

Meanwhile, he's a typical loathsome president/politician, and still in office....

 

I'm tired of the outrage against the odd politician that goes 'against the grain' - regardless of how much I dislike this particular person.

[dick dasterdly]

Just now, dick dasterdly said:

Trump is an immediately, objectionable creature (IMO) - but he was elected as the 'ordinary' American voter in less wealthy communities were sick and tired of the status quo.

 

I suspect they saw Hilary as an extension of this, and Trump as a possible alternative.

 

So many people were sure Trump would be impeached/forced to resign within 3 months of his election - but it's still all talk....

 

Meanwhile, he's a typical loathsome president/politician, and still in office....

 

I'm tired of the outrage against the odd politician that goes 'against the grain' - regardless of how much I dislike this particular person.

Will this thread 'will trump be impeached or forced to resign' continue for 4 years( edit, sorry - 3 more years)??

Edited January 27, 2018 by dick dasterdly