Russians talked about influencing Trump through advisers - NY Times

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Russians talked about influencing Trump through advisers - NY Times

REUTERS

 

Then national security adviser General Michael Flynn delivers a statement daily briefing at the White House in Washington, U.S., February 1, 2017. Picture taken February 1, 2017. REUTERS/Carlos Barria

 

Paul Manafort at Trump Tower in the Manhattan borough of New York, U.S., August 17, 2016. Picture taken August 17, 2016. REUTERS/Carlo Allegri

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. spies learned last summer that Russian officials discussed influencing Donald Trump through his advisers Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn, The New York Times reported on Wednesday, citing three current and former U.S. officials familiar with the intelligence.

 

Russian intelligence and political officials appeared confident that Manafort, Trump's campaign chairman at the time, and Flynn, who was fired as White House national security adviser in February over his conversations with Russia's ambassador, could be used to help shape Trump's opinions on Russia, the Times reported.

 

(Writing by Eric Beech; editing by Tim Ahmann, G Crosse)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-05-25

[darksidedog]

And it was working too. Remember how at that time Trump was telling us that Putin wasn't so bad after all.

This does seem to confirm that the Russians were behind the scenes with some of Trumps most senior campaign people.

The big question remaining is whether those people were knowingly cooperating with the Russians or being manipulated by them.

Mr. Flynn I believe is the best person to be able to resolve that one, if he doesn't continue to take the fifth amendment.

[smotherb]

3 hours ago, darksidedog said:

And it was working too. Remember how at that time Trump was telling us that Putin wasn't so bad after all.

This does seem to confirm that the Russians were behind the scenes with some of Trumps most senior campaign people.

The big question remaining is whether those people were knowingly cooperating with the Russians or being manipulated by them.

Mr. Flynn I believe is the best person to be able to resolve that one, if he doesn't continue to take the fifth amendment.

I can see no great difference between knowingly cooperating and being influenced when it comes to interference in US affairs--I doubt either Flynn or Manafort are so dumb they did not know.  Trump, well, I am not sure.

[smotherb]

I am waiting for the "Fake News" call.

[Krataiboy]

Talk about pot and kettle. The CIA has a history of interfering in other country's elections, using its drugs slush fund to stir up opposition to leaders unlikely to toe the White House line.

 

If they failed, the black ops wing of the US government would simply stump up a few million dollars for a coup or an assassination.

 

The CIA's nefarious activities became so blatant during the Cold War that President Gerald Ford eventually signed an Executive Order banning political killings by government employees.

 

The CIA never totally abandoned its murderous strategy, simply changing the terminology from assassination to targeted killings, from aerial bombing of presidents to drone attacks on alleged terrorist leaders.

 

The list of murdered or overthrown leaders covers more than half a century and ranges from the Congo's  Patrice Lumumba and Chile's Salvadore Allende to and Cuba's Fidel Castro to Serbia's Slobodan Milosovic, Libya's Muhammar Gaddafi and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

 

The CIA has even been accused of involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert, allegations which it naturally denies. 

 

If Donald Trump is feeling a little nervous after having wrestled the hot seat away from Establishment candidate Hillary, it isn't hard to understand why.

[Jingthing]

Russians being Russians going after their interests which they saw as trump winning is not the issue at all. Proven. Known. End of story.

The issue is the legitimate investigation into COLLUSION between the trump campaign and the Russians in this matter. Basically, that is treason. 

Also, of course, did trump know, when did he know, or worse, was he even more directly involved?

Related to that ... trump's FINANCIAL connections to Russian oligarchs. 

Edited May 25, 2017 by Jingthing

[Berkshire]

9 minutes ago, Krataiboy said:

Talk about pot and kettle. The CIA has a history of interfering in other country's elections, using its drugs slush fund to stir up opposition to leaders unlikely to toe the White House line.

 

If they failed, the black ops wing of the US government would simply stump up a few million dollars for a coup or an assassination.

 

The CIA's nefarious activities became so blatant during the Cold War that President Gerald Ford eventually signed an Executive Order banning political killings by government employees.

 

The CIA never totally abandoned its murderous strategy, simply changing the terminology from assassination to targeted killings, from aerial bombing of presidents to drone attacks on alleged terrorist leaders.

 

The list of murdered or overthrown leaders covers more than half a century and ranges from the Congo's  Patrice Lumumba and Chile's Salvadore Allende to and Cuba's Fidel Castro to Serbia's Slobodan Milosovic, Libya's Muhammar Gaddafi and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

 

The CIA has even been accused of involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert, allegations which it naturally denies. 

 

If Donald Trump is feeling a little nervous after having wrestled the hot seat away from Establishment candidate Hillary, it isn't hard to understand why.

Firstly, you do realize that you lose a great deal of credibility when you bring up crazy conspiracy theories, e.g., the CIA involved in the assassination of JFK.  Even that aside, are you suggesting that past behavior of the US GOV justifies the Russians interfering in our elections, with the ultimate aim of interfering with how America conducts foreign policy?  You're perfectly fine with that?  That sir, is a bit cuckoo. 

[Jingthing]

Yes, as it is well known and totally proven that the Russians worked to influence the U.S. election (and other global elections as well) aside from the trump campaign collusion/financial connections investigation of course it is important to learn everything possible about the known Russian involvement so that is can better be combated in the future (and to share this info with other nations as well).

Edited May 25, 2017 by Jingthing

[Luckysilk]

Nothing here ....... except to feed the anti Trump folks.

 

The entire system is based on lobbyists.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

Nothing here ....... except to feed the anti Trump folks.

 

The entire system is based on lobbyists.

Lobbying is a separate issue.

You're POV isn't fooling anyone.

Imagine if Hillary Clinton was elected and there was the very same known info about Russian involvement in electing her. "Lock her up" chant would be "Burn her" ... 

 

Let the WELL JUSTIFIED investigation continue, let it be as non-partisan as humanly possible, and let's see what is or what is not uncovered. 

There is no proof of trump campaign collusion as yet and there may never be. But the American people deserve to know the TRUTH. Let's find it. 

Edited May 25, 2017 by Jingthing

[scorecard]

13 minutes ago, Luckysilk said:

Nothing here ....... except to feed the anti Trump folks.

 

The entire system is based on lobbyists.

 

 

So maybe all of this should generate some serious discussion about rules / boundaries etc., for lobbyists.

 

Or maybe lobbyists / lobbying activity should be illegal, after all is lobbyist / lobbyists just fancy words to cover vote buying? 

Edited May 25, 2017 by scorecard

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

Talk about pot and kettle. The CIA has a history of interfering in other country's elections, using its drugs slush fund to stir up opposition to leaders unlikely to toe the White House line.

 

If they failed, the black ops wing of the US government would simply stump up a few million dollars for a coup or an assassination.

 

The CIA's nefarious activities became so blatant during the Cold War that President Gerald Ford eventually signed an Executive Order banning political killings by government employees.

 

The CIA never totally abandoned its murderous strategy, simply changing the terminology from assassination to targeted killings, from aerial bombing of presidents to drone attacks on alleged terrorist leaders.

 

The list of murdered or overthrown leaders covers more than half a century and ranges from the Congo's  Patrice Lumumba and Chile's Salvadore Allende to and Cuba's Fidel Castro to Serbia's Slobodan Milosovic, Libya's Muhammar Gaddafi and Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

 

The CIA has even been accused of involvement in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert, allegations which it naturally denies. 

 

If Donald Trump is feeling a little nervous after having wrestled the hot seat away from Establishment candidate Hillary, it isn't hard to understand why.

You seem to have missed the obvious; we can do it, we just don't want it done to us.

[smotherb]

1 hour ago, Luckysilk said:

Nothing here ....... except to feed the anti Trump folks.

 

The entire system is based on lobbyists.

Any patriotic American should want to know whether or not our election was influenced by a foreign power. We all know, or should know, internal influence is SOP.

[jb61]

Go Straight To The Fifth Paragraph Of The Latest NYT ‘Bombshell’ On Russia Collusion

 

 

http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/24/go-straight-to-the-fifth-paragraph-of-the-latest-nyt-bombshell-on-russia-collusion/

[Scott]

A post referring to this as fake news has been removed.   It is one thing to suggest an article is not credible or that the information is incorrect.   That does not make it fake.  

[JHolmesJr]

yes all the reports by invisible folks hiding in the shadows under the cloak of classified…gimme a break

[Scott]

An off-topic post has been removed.  

 

As for continued trolling, you will get a break.  

[boomerangutang]

The Divider continues to drive wedges deeper.

 

                     I wish the investigations would move along quicker.   Each day The Divider is in office, is a day closer to nuclear war and/or environmental damage and/or.....(fill in the blanks with any of the dozens of ways Trump wants to debilitate America).

[Ramen087]

The NY Times in 2017 regarding the current administration ---> "All the Hearsay That's Fit To Print".  Crikey.

 

[Jingthing]

6 hours ago, Ramen087 said:

The NY Times in 2017 regarding the current administration ---> "All the Hearsay That's Fit To Print".  Crikey.

 

About a million times more credible than right wing sources like Infowars, Breitbart, and Fox though.