Shock UK exit poll suggests Britain's May fails to win majority

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, pegman said:

Nig also said if Labour puts a government together it could mean another Brexit vote.

Labour have said they will not push for that. 

 

The very opposite in fact. 

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

If one was expecting the landslide, yes. However, the  increases in voter share by both Labour and Conservative in Scotland point to a revival of the parties. yes, she was an opportunistic twit for calling the election, but  she genuinely thought she needed her own mandate.

While I agree with your points regarding voting patterns I still feel it's a debacle for her.

 

She's lost her majority and halved her lead over labour. 

 

She's finished as leader. 

 

Watch what Anna Soubry (spelling?) does.

 

She smells blood. 

Edited June 9, 2017 by Bluespunk

[geriatrickid]

Just now, pegman said:

Spicoli, what are you smoking? Higher participation means more riding? A tiny country with a concentrated population should result in a faster count. Each poll gets counted as they close here. Not sure what they do there where it takes this long.

UK has a higher population  resulting in more seats. It has a higher concentration of voters per riding as well.  338 seats in Canada vs 650 seats in the UK.  UK also has a more transparent tradition of announcing  results in the presence of all candidates. No one in the UK ever drove down to the local shelter to collect new voters  to vote. Nor  has anyone in the UK stuffed the ballot boxes in quite the same way as they have done in Atlantic Canada.

 

[NanLaew]

17 minutes ago, pegman said:

The BBC election night host seems lost half the time. Checked Wiki and the bloke is 78 bloody years old. Is it a lifetime position like the House of Lords? If not it seems past time he got put out to pasture.

Watch the Sky news coverage. I watched BBC and Sky on split screens during the Brexit vote and the Beeb was so far off the plot, it was cringeworthy.

[geriatrickid]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

She's lost her majority and halved her lead over labour. 

She's finished as leader. 

Watch what Anna Soubry (spelling?) does.

She smells blood. 

No argument from me, as the filet knives will be out for her. The infighting will be awful unless they get a majority. At best  she sticks around to steward the party during a leadership race. I expect it will be back to the polls in a year.

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Watch the Sky news coverage. I watched BBC and Sky on split screens during the Brexit vote and the Beeb was so far off the plot, it was cringeworthy.

They seem spot on this time to me. 

[Bluespunk]

Funniest thing of all is all the right wing labour MPs having to backtrack on their slagging off of Jeremy Corbyn. 

 

Eating crow and scrambling to save behinds. 

 

Good to to see nick clegg bite the dust as well. 

Edited June 9, 2017 by Bluespunk

[NanLaew]

19 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

That small shift in  voters in Scotland is responsible for some impressive  seat  gains for both Labour and Conservatives.

Ask Sturgeon, Robertson and Salmond about that 'small shift' north of the border.

 

In his speech, Alex Salmond said: "The SNP has lost a number of fine parliamentarians this evening, that is a grievous blow for us."

[Orton Rd]

Can't see the Cons going for another soft woman leader, Boris would be good

[dick dasterdly]

13 minutes ago, champers said:

That's a 400 page thread up the swannee. "May prepares for tough Brexit negotiations".

Only 3 dead certs from this: Corbyn stays on and goodbyes to May and Sturgeon.

You forgot the 4th dead cert - brexit will either not happen at all or it will be a 'bad' deal for the majority of the Brit. population.

Edited June 9, 2017 by dick dasterdly

[Bluespunk]

Just now, Orton Rd said:

Can't see the Cons going for another soft woman leader, Boris would be good

No chance. 

 

Anna Soubry wants it. 

[oxo1947]

The results in Mrs Mays seat--it was hotly contested by a load of Loons.....Leading the Loons was Lord Buckethead (self appointed Lordship)  followed by--

Howling 'Laud' Hope-- of the Monster Raving Loonarty

 

Andrew Knight –of Animal Welfare Party

 

Grant Smith –Independent  (I think that’s Elmo)

 

Yemi Hailemariam –Independent (he has the stove pipe on his head)

 

Bobby Smith –Independent (he has the Free Andy Tsege) T-shirt

 

Edmonds Victor --Christian Peoples Alliance Party

 

The loony Vote was won by Lord Buckethead 249 votes closely followed by Elmo

** OH the cowboy all in White is Ukip

 

             

 

 

 

           

 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2017 by oxo1947

[retarius]

5 hours ago, Prbkk said:

The exit polls are WRONG. Have another look in 3 hours and May will be vindicated. And the £ will roar back.

It's now 5 hours since you posted. On my computer the forecast is still the same with no vindication for May.

[pegman]

13 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Labour have said they will not push for that. 

 

The very opposite in fact. 

Doesn't matter. If he needs support by other parties to be PM he doesn't get to name the tune. LD and SNP would be doing that. 

[Ace of Pop]

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[Bluespunk]

12 minutes ago, pegman said:

Doesn't matter. If he needs support by other parties to be PM he doesn't get to name the tune. LD and SNP would be doing that. 

Not going to happen.

 

The DUP will back the tories. 

 

Labour are 56 seats behind and only the lib dems are in favour of a new brexit vote. 

 

They are a busted flush and even if they support labour they will still not be able to match the tories.  

 

I say all this with a heavy heart.

 

I'd like to see another vote, but I am in the minority.

 

I don't like it, but am resigned to it. 

Edited June 9, 2017 by Bluespunk

[webfact]

UK election hangs in balance on disastrous night for May

By Costas Pitas and Kylie MacLellan

 

Workers in protective equipment are reflected in the window of a betting shop with a display inviting customers to place bets on tbe result of the general election with images of Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May and opposition Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, in London, June 7, 2017. REUTERS/Marko Djurica

 

LONDON (Reuters) - Prime Minister Theresa May was fighting to hold on to her job on Friday as British voters denied her the stronger mandate she had sought to lead the country into divorce talks with the European Union.

 

With no clear winner emerging from Thursday's parliamentary election, a wounded May signalled she would fight on, despite being on course to lose her majority in the House of Commons. Her Labour rival Jeremy Corbyn said she should step down.

 

An updated BBC forecast predicted May's Conservatives would win 318 of the 650 seats, eight short of a majority, while Corbyn's left-wing Labour would take 267 -- producing a "hung parliament" and potential deadlock.

 

Sky News predicted May would score somewhere between 315 and 325 seats.

 

With talks of unprecedented complexity on Britain's departure from the European Union due to start in just 10 days' time, there was uncertainty over who would form the next government and over the fundamental direction Brexit would take.

 

"At this time, more than anything else this country needs a period of stability," a grim-faced May said after winning her own parliamentary seat of Maidenhead, near London.

 

"If ... the Conservative Party has won the most seats and probably the most votes then it will be incumbent on us to ensure that we have that period of stability and that is exactly what we will do."

 

After winning his own seat in north London, Corbyn said May's attempt to win a bigger mandate had backfired.

"The mandate she's got is lost Conservative seats, lost votes, lost support and lost confidence," he said.

 

"I would have thought that's enough to go, actually, and make way for a government that will be truly representative of all of the people of this country."

 

May had unexpectedly called the snap election seven weeks ago, even though no vote was due until 2020. At that point, polls predicted she would massively increase the slim majority she had inherited from predecessor David Cameron before launching into the Brexit talks.

 

Instead, she risked an ignominious exit after just 11 months at Number 10 Downing Street, which would be the shortest tenure of any prime minister for almost a century.

 

"MAY IS TOAST"

 

"Whatever happens, Theresa May is toast," said Nigel Farage, former leader of the anti-EU party UKIP.

 

May had spent the campaign denouncing Corbyn as the weak leader of a spendthrift party that would crash Britain's economy and flounder in Brexit talks, while she would provide "strong and stable leadership" to clinch a good deal for Britain.

 

But her campaign unravelled after a major policy u-turn on care for the elderly, while Corbyn's old-school socialist platform and more impassioned campaigning style won wider support than anyone had foreseen.

 

"Could be messy for the United Kingdom in the years ahead. One mess risks following another. Price to be paid for lack of true leadership," tweeted former Swedish Prime Minister Carl Bildt, one of the EU's elder statesmen.

 

Sterling fell by more than two cents against the U.S. dollar after an exit poll showed May losing her majority, though it later recovered some of its losses.

 

"A hung parliament is the worst outcome from a markets perspective as it creates another layer of uncertainty ahead of the Brexit negotiations and chips away at what is already a short timeline to secure a deal for Britain," said Craig Erlam, an analyst with brokerage Oanda in London.

 

With the smaller parties more closely aligned with Labour than with the Conservatives, the prospect of Corbyn becoming prime minister no longer seems fanciful.

 

That would make the course of Brexit even harder to predict. During his three decades on Labour's leftist fringe, Corbyn consistently opposed European integration and denounced the EU as a corporate, capitalist body.

 

As party leader, he unenthusiastically campaigned for Britain to remain in the bloc, but has said that Labour would deliver Brexit if in power. The party has not given a detailed plan for Brexit but has said its priorities would be to maintain the benefits of both the EU single market and its customs union.

 

POTENTIAL ALLIANCES

 

If the Conservatives end up falling just short of a majority, they could potentially turn for support to Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), a natural ally, projected to win 10 seats.

 

But Labour had potential allies too, not least the Scottish National Party (SNP) who suffered major setbacks but still won a majority of Scottish seats.

 

The pro-EU, centre-left Liberal Democrats were having a mixed night. Their former leader, Nick Clegg, who was deputy prime minister from 2010 to 2015, lost his seat. But former business minister Vince Cable won his back, and party leader Tim Farron held on.

 

In domestic policy, Labour proposes raising taxes for the richest 5 percent of Britons, scrapping university tuition fees, investing 250 billion pounds ($315 billion) in infrastructure plans and re-nationalising the railways and postal service.

 

Early results were in line with the exit poll, with Labour doing better than expected. That was in part because votes that had previously gone to UKIP were splitting evenly between the two major parties instead of going overwhelmingly to the Conservatives as pundits had expected.

 

“UKIP voters wanted Brexit but they also want change," Farage said.

 

"They are fundamentally anti-establishment in their attitudes and the vicar’s daughter (May) is very pro-establishment. And I think she came across in the campaign as not only as wooden and robotic but actually pretty insincere."

 

In Scotland, the pro-independence SNP were in retreat despite winning most seats. Having won all but three of Scotland's 59 seats in the British parliament in 2015, their share of the vote fell sharply and they lost seats to the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats.

 

Alex Salmond, the SNP's former leader and the former head of Scotland's devolved government, was among those who lost their seats, along with the leader of the SNP's lawmakers in the London parliament, Angus Robertson.

 

The campaign had played out differently in Scotland than elsewhere, with the SNP's drive for a second independence referendum the main faultline. All the parties that made gains oppose independence

SNP leader and First Minister Nicola Sturgeon said it had been a disappointing night for her party, while Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson said Sturgeon should take the prospect of a second independence referendum off the table.

 

(Additional reporting by Guy Faulconbridge, Alistair Smout, David Milliken, Paul Sandle, William Schomberg, Andy Bruce, William James, Michael Urquhart and Paddy Graham in London, Padraic Halpin in Dublin; Writing by Estelle Shirbon; Editing by Mark Trevelyan and Mark John)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-06-09

[pegman]

18 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Watch the Sky news coverage. I watched BBC and Sky on split screens during the Brexit vote and the Beeb was so far off the plot, it was cringeworthy.

BBC is all I have.

[NanLaew]

23 minutes ago, pegman said:

Spicoli, what are you smoking? Higher participation means more riding? A tiny country with a concentrated population should result in a faster count. Each poll gets counted as they close here. Not sure what they do there where it takes this long.

Canada, Roughly half as many voters across five time zones.

 

Think about it....

 

But not for long please. This is the UK election thread and not the Canadian fast election result postulation thread.

[ballpoint]

29 minutes ago, champers said:

That's a 400 page thread up the swannee. "May prepares for tough Brexit negotiations".

Only 3 dead certs from this: Corbyn stays on and goodbyes to May and Sturgeon.

Surely Sturgeon will demand a referendum on whether she stays or leaves? 

[harada]

I knew holding hands with Donald Trump was a mistake. 

[dick dasterdly]

11 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

No argument from me, as the filet knives will be out for her. The infighting will be awful unless they get a majority. At best  she sticks around to steward the party during a leadership race. I expect it will be back to the polls in a year.

"No argument from me, as the filet knives will be out for her. The infighting will be awful unless they get a majority."

 

Quite.  May expected an increased majority to stop MPs doing everything possible to stop brexit.

 

She hasn't achieved this and so everything is left 'up in the air'.

[Orac]

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I think you may have overslept.

[Bluespunk]

9 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

The results in Mrs Mays seat--it was hotly contested by a load of Loons.....Leading the Loons was Lord Buckethead (self appointed Lordship)  followed by--

Howling 'Laud' Hope-- of the Monster Raving Loonarty

 

Andrew Knight –of Animal Welfare Party

 

Grant Smith –Independent  (I think that’s Elmo)

 

Yemi Hailemariam –Independent (he has the stove pipe on his head)

 

Bobby Smith –Independent (he has the Free Andy Tsege) T-shirt

 

Edmonds Victor --Christian Peoples Alliance Party

 

The loony Vote was won by Lord Buckethead 249 votes closely followed by Elmo

** OH the cowboy all in White is Ukip

 

             

 

 

 

           

 

 

 

Not quite. 

 

Elmo got 1 (or maybe 3) votes I think. He was a fathers rights protester. 

 

The cowboy, Howling Laud Hope, is the official Monster Raving Loony party rep. 

 

The winner was the lady who for some reason has stopped saying "I, I, I," and has moved onto "We, We, We". 

 

Cant recall her name. 

[Kadilo]

Plenty of egg on faces here I see


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[rwdrwdrwd]

51 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

By the same token, it could be seen as unfair to burden older people with the tax load needed to fund free university tuition for the youngsters

 

Their parents didn't appear to take issue with it. Nor with funding their free school meals. Proper selfish generation the boomers.

Edited June 9, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[oxo1947]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Not quite. 

 

Elmo got 1 (or maybe 3) votes I think. He was a fathers rights protester. 

 

The cowboy, Howling Laud Hope, is the official Monster Raving Loony party rep. 

 

The winner was the lady who for some reason has stopped saying "I, I, I," and has moved onto "We, We, We". 

 

Cant recall her name. 

Thanks for putting that straight Blues-----I obviously do not follow it as closely as you...& I guess I shouldn't put the Ukip down as a loon patry as it did have some support from here,

Edited June 9, 2017 by oxo1947

[yardrunner]

6 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Early days. But would be a fantastic result if it's right.

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you really think corbyn would make a good prime minister

[Black arab]

The tories have completely destabilised uk politics now and we expats are going to suffer for quite a while

[NanLaew]

12 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Can't see the Cons going for another soft woman leader, Boris would be good

Bojo? Not in a million years... xenophobic crypto-fascist total right wing nut job

 

11 minutes ago, pegman said:

Doesn't matter. If he needs support by other parties to be PM he doesn't get to name the tune. LD and SNP would be doing that. 

You mean DUP and SNP. Vince Cable said a few hours ago how the LD had their aspirations to govern totally annihilated after they climbed into bed with the Tories. That won't happen again.