Shock UK exit poll suggests Britain's May fails to win majority

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

Why not kill them, look at the pension we would save?

The much vaunted NHS is already configured to 'process' the elderly in such a manner.

[beautifulthailand99]

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

It means unless your local Tory MP was a total oxygen waster, your tactical vote was a waste of time.

 

I think the correct term is a Pyrrhic vicyory.

 

My (Thai) wife voted Tory and me Labour in what is a safe Labour seat. It is clear that a clear majority of the British electorate despaired at the hard Brexit suicide mission May seemed embarked on . That stops now - and we start to talk co-operatively with the EU about a mutually beneficial new deal. And as long as it takes - new game , new balls. Get over it Brexmoaners !

Edited June 9, 2017 by beautifulthailand99

[dunroaming]

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The commentators( as in the BBC) have got it wrong again.

I am not talking about the BBC although they all use the same analysts.  I am not talking about the turn out numbers themselves although you should compare the general election numbers separately as they are not relevant to the referendum, which was a one off. This election had a turnout of 68.7% up on the 2015 election which was 66.1%.

[champers]

21 minutes ago, jesimps said:

And fought the wars and paid their taxes and NI contributions. Oh, and wiped the young'uns asses, the ones Corbyn has been kissing.

And improved working conditions for millions, helped create universal healthcare and university education. The Tories want to strip all this back. All pensions are taxed, by the way.

[rwdrwdrwd]

32 minutes ago, jesimps said:

And fought the wars and paid their taxes and NI contributions. Oh, and wiped the young'uns asses, the ones Corbyn has been kissing.

 

Oh yeah? Which wars did baby boomers fight in then? That's the vast bulk of the older generation, and is to whom I refer (as was discussed earlier in this thread).

Does paying ones taxes and NI contributions confer upon one the right to criticise future generations when they ask for the same privileges one has received?

As for 'wiping asses' - you don't get credit for basic parenting skills I'm afraid.

The boomer generation did not 'create universal healthcare' or 'university education' either, champers. It was their ancestors.

Edited June 9, 2017 by rwdrwdrwd

[stevenl]

14 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The commentators( as in the BBC) have got it wrong again. Let's hope that Parliament and the Bureucrats in Brussels also don't come to the wrong conclusion,the same as you  and other Remoaners have.

The voter turn out in the 2016 referendum was 72.2

The voter turn out in this General Election is 68.7 

This means the turn out is 3.5 less.Why is this, could it be that many people have been turned off by T.M's manifesto. Which controversely include the so-called dementia tax.

Perhaps it was the old who thought that their hard earned cash would be going to support their care. Or maybe the younger generation who thought that their inheritance would be squandered in supporting their parents/grandparents.

 

" The turnout for 18 to 24-year-olds was 66.4 per cent, according to Sky News data, figures which represent a substantial rise from the 43 per cent figure in the 2015 general election.  "

http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/election-results-latest-youth-vote-swings-for-labour-jeremey-corbyn-hung-parliament-a7780966.html

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Latest: TM not resigning.

 

Ha! The Con Party are an autocracy moderated by assassinations!

[citybiker]

For all his faults (and there were many) can't help feeling that Cameron would have been far preferable to May or any of the current shower.

I disagree, he was far more arrogant than TM.

IMO it was a combination of TM's poor judgement * along with being poorly advised & working within a very close net Westminster team that's also proven to be more negative than positive.

* The author of the Manifesto needs to be sacked, hint TM.


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[ilostmypassword]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

" The turnout for 18 to 24-year-olds was 66.4 per cent, according to Sky News data, figures which represent a substantial rise from the 43 per cent figure in the 2015 general election.  "

http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/election-results-latest-youth-vote-swings-for-labour-jeremey-corbyn-hung-parliament-a7780966.html

"substantial rise" is a massive understatement. They voted at virtually the same turnout as was average for the nation. That is huge.

[transam]

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

My (Thai) wife voted Tory and me Labour in what is a safe Labour seat. It is clear that a clear majority of the British electorate despaired at the hard Brexit suicide mission May seemed embarked on . That stops now - and we start to talk co-operatively with the EU about a mutually beneficial new deal. And as long as it takes - new game , new balls. Get over it Brexmoaners !

Nothing has changed, the Blues are still in the same place as before accept they may not have the Libs in tow. The SNP are in despair though.....

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, NanLaew said:

So says the no-hope leader of the no-hope Lib Dems and pathetic, last-minute proponent of tactical voting

I'll bet Vince Cable takes over. Great!

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Ha! The Con Party are an autocracy moderated by assassinations!

Yeah likes she thinks she has a choice - her end will be swift and savage. If you were a hard Brexiteer then she gambled her majority and lost , big and that prize is ebbing away faster than baht in a Thai bar. Time to sharpen your knives and buckle up your boots. I would be absolutely livid rather than delighted if I was on your side now.

[dunroaming]

2 minutes ago, citybiker said:

I disagree, he was far more arrogant than TM

I agree he was very arrogant but looking at his record against TM's fiasco it is a close call.

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Nothing has changed, the Blues are still in the same place as before accept they may not have the Libs in tow. The SNP are in despair though.....

yeah , but no working majority and a majority in the house against a hard Brexit - all soft options are really variants as business as usual - i.e, no Brexit in real terms. The game has changed.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Do you honestly believe this?

 

The Labour party MPs did their best to get rid of Corbyn!

 

But of course its always possible that they will suddenly turn into non blairite socialists and become proper socialists again.....

I think that Labour have realised that they have to be a broad church. Corbyn accepted nuclear policy though he does not agree personally. Blairites acknowledged that Corbyn appeals to the young and some of his policies are motivational.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, ddavidovsky said:

The hysteria is bizarre. The Tories are significantly ahead and only need the smallest of coalition partnerships to get the majority - DUP will do it.

 

Labour gains are surprising though. Has there been any analysis as to whether the swung seats have significant immigrant populations?

Analysis has shown to be due to:-

 

1) voted remain

 

2) large youth / student numbers

[dunroaming]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Nothing has changed, the Blues are still in the same place as before accept they may not have the Libs in tow. The SNP are in despair though.....

I agree and all that has changed is that the Tories no longer have a majority and as I write this they are meeting with the DUP about a deal.  The consequences though may be deep and Brexit is going to be really hard work.  May's position is very wobbly to say the least.

 

Without the SNP losing those seats to the Tories they would be dead in the water.

Edited June 9, 2017 by dunroaming

[Orac]

 

I disagree, he was far more arrogant than TM.

 

IMO it was a combination of TM's poor judgement * along with being poorly advised & working within a very close net Westminster team that's also proven to be more negative than positive.

 

* The author of the Manifesto needs to be sacked, hint TM.

 

 

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Too late to sack him..

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/election-latest-conservative-manifesto-ben-gummer-lose-ipswich-seat-labour-win-tories-a7780536.html

 

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

The opinion polls during the last six weeks, lead me to think otherwise.

You believe opinion polls???

[Moti24]

"May had unexpectedly called the snap election seven weeks ago, even though no vote was due until 2020...."

 

I'm surprised it took her so long!  As she herself, voted to remain in the EU, it's beyond comprehension how she managed to become Prime Minister, giving her the job of overseeing Brexit.  She informed the whole world that she would send the letter to Brussels in March months before that, giving an open invitation to every man and his dog to speculate on the Brexit outcome.  This, in turn, immediately sent the sterling exchange rate into a nose dive, costing millions of UK citizens and expats a fortune.  All she had to do was keep her mouth shut and do the job she was being paid to do.  But, no, not her!  If she was modelling herself on Thatcher (This lady's not for turning) she failed.  I was not a Thatcher lover, but at least she wasn't afraid to make decisions.  May was a weak Home Secretary, and is an even weaker Prime Minster.

 

Well, it got too hot for her, so she thought, "I'll call a general election; the best that can happen is that I resign."  Congratulations!  Your plan worked, and you've left the UK with a spineless excuse of a Labour leader, that will turn the UK into a multi-national shit-hole.

 

Anyway, time for another Leo; must keep up appearances.

[beautifulthailand99]

My savvy mate offers the following conclusion ...

 

My crystal ball remains admittedly cloudy, but they are saying on the telly that the old bag has already done a deal with the Unionist, so it does look like that prediction might be right and she will, yet again, sacrifice the greater good so that she can grimly hold onto her tattered robes of power. If not for Brexit, the Tory's dogs of war would have stripped her naked and cast her out into Whitehall by now. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone has an appetite for taking on the inevitable f**kup the EU talks will now be. Its also worth remembering that this poisoned  half witted witch (described rather brilliantly as a vindictive librarian drawn by Quentin Blake) only got the job because they had no one else to do it. I don't see a path for her being ousted any time soon, despite that being an appalling conclusion.

[dunroaming]

There is nothing about this election result that is positive for Britain.  By the Tories failing it just weakens the Brexit negotiations even more.  It hasn't triggered a change in government, which may or may not be a good thing but it has shown how divided the British public have become.

Edited June 9, 2017 by dunroaming

[citybiker]

 
 
Too late to sack him..
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/News/uk/politics/election-latest-conservative-manifesto-ben-gummer-lose-ipswich-seat-labour-win-tories-a7780536.html
 

Oh dear..




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[Grouse]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Doubt it, and think she was looking for control of those against brexit.  Purely for her political interest of course!

 

Which brings me back to why she came up with the 'dementia tax' idea during the referendum?

Maybe dementia?

[pitrevie]

6 minutes ago, Moti24 said:

"May had unexpectedly called the snap election seven weeks ago, even though no vote was due until 2020...."

 

I'm surprised it took her so long!  As she herself, voted to remain in the EU, it's beyond comprehension how she managed to become Prime Minister, giving her the job of overseeing Brexit.  She informed the whole world that she would send the letter to Brussels in March months before that, giving an open invitation to every man and his dog to speculate on the Brexit outcome.  This, in turn, immediately sent the sterling exchange rate into a nose dive, costing millions of UK citizens and expats a fortune.  All she had to do was keep her mouth shut and do the job she was being paid to do.  But, no, not her!  If she was modelling herself on Thatcher (This lady's not for turning) she failed.  I was not a Thatcher lover, but at least she wasn't afraid to make decisions.  May was a weak Home Secretary, and is an even weaker Prime Minster.

 

Well, it got too hot for her, so she thought, "I'll call a general election; the best that can happen is that I resign."  Congratulations!  Your plan worked, and you've left the UK with a spineless excuse of a Labour leader, that will turn the UK into a multi-national shit-hole.

 

Anyway, time for another Leo; must keep up appearances.

 

Right from the start she came across as someone with ambition but no conviction. At least Thatcher had conviction not that I agreed with her but you could admire her for that. May only had an ambition to be PM and like Boris was prepared to cast aside all her previous beliefs. I guess its time for Brutus to strike he should have learnt something from Gove.

[beautifulthailand99]

Osborne saying hard brexit is in the rubbish bin.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4586844/Theresa-slammed-risking-Britain-s-Brexit-mission.html

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, nontabury said:

What brings you to the conclusion that the British have had second thoughts about Brexit. 

They haven't, the young people have voted. That's the change!

[dunroaming]

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Osborne saying hard brexit is in the rubbish bin.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4586844/Theresa-slammed-risking-Britain-s-Brexit-mission.html

Well the Daily Mail is hardly a publication to be trusted but I agree that a hard Brexit is now almost impossible to achieve.

[Prbkk]

17 minutes ago, Grouse said:

I think that Labour have realised that they have to be a broad church. Corbyn accepted nuclear policy though he does not agree personally. Blairites acknowledged that Corbyn appeals to the young and some of his policies are motivational.

EG, the INSANE policy on university tuition fees...well, of course it's going to appeal to the young, nothwithstanding the fact that it is unsustainable under the current tax regime ...so eventually taxes would have to rise to pay for it. 

I prefer the Australian model: nothing to be paid upfront but upon graduation and gaining employment , the recipients/beneficiaries pay a marginally higher tax rate until the debt is repaid ( at a rate barely noticeable, like the price of a cappuccino a day). There is still a significant govt subsidy.Not perfect but better than requiring everyone to fund the expensive higher education of others.

[Baerboxer]

6 hours ago, ballpoint said:

Surely Sturgeon will demand a referendum on whether she stays or leaves? 

 

She's already claiming this as yet another SNP "victory" ! She was on TV this morning trying to focus everyone on this being the second best ever general election result for the SNP; that the SNP will still have more MP's for Scottish seats than all the other parties together and still have the most voters. She did somewhat reluctantly admit she was a bit disappointed loosing so many seats, and hinted she might have to reflect on her new referendum. But she wants everyone to see this as SNP winning the election in  Scotland. Bless her.

 

She'll never go willingly. Like a bad smell - lingers.