Cialis in Chiang Mai

[xylophone]

14 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

 

... or the same desired and just as possibly safe effects.

Some folks only see the glass half empty. I prefer to see it half full.  :)

We all get to choose.

No problems with getting to choose, however I prefer to choose when I know what I am ingesting, rather than taking something which may kill me because I don't know what's in it .

[Jip99]

7 minutes ago, xylophone said:

No problems with getting to choose, however I prefer to choose when I know what I am ingesting, rather than taking something which may kill me because I don't know what's in it .

 

 

 

Best you leave Thai beer alone then

[EricTh]

14 hours ago, baywatch82 said:

Bought Kamagra in Bkk - paid 700 baht for 50 sashets.

Works great - I am taking only half a sashet. Then all the massage girls are always very impressed.

Side effects - red and burning face, might be a bit of headache.

 

 

One question, are you over or below 40?

 

If you're young ie. below 40, of course it will work great.

[garryjohns]

24 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

One question, are you over or below 40?

 

If you're young ie. below 40, of course it will work great.

If under mid 60's ,unless you have some sort of real medical ED issues you shouldn't need any type of "booster" IMO.

[baywatch82]

35 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

One question, are you over or below 40?

 

If you're young ie. below 40, of course it will work great.

I'm below 40 and I admit that I don't need any help, all working good.

However, If I take half a sashet of this, it's a really crazy thing.

Obviously I don't take it all the time, just sometime for a very big night when I expect crazy things to happen.

[garryjohns]

5 hours ago, baywatch82 said:

I'm below 40 and I admit that I don't need any help, all working good.

However, If I take half a sashet of this, it's a really crazy thing.

Obviously I don't take it all the time, just sometime for a very big night when I expect crazy things to happen.

 Crazy is as crazy does.....                                                                   

Edited March 19, 2018 by garryjohns

[CMKiwi]

Have used Kamagra gel... is useful if you are worried about having a brewers droop.

 

Agree with side effects as stated. Flush in the face and sometimes a mild headache.

 

I'm in the mid 50s and don't 'need' this stuff....however it does make things stay as they should even after a few ales, without having to concentrate to hard on the subject.

 

Yes pun intended...

[FolkGuitar]

Interesting to think these have become the new 'recreational drugs.'  

[amexpat]

2 hours ago, CMKiwi said:

I'm in the mid 50s and don't 'need' this stuff...

Nobody needs it.  But they sure sell boatloads of it. 

 

[bubba]

On 02/07/2017 at 9:14 PM, orchis said:

there is a Thai generic produced by GPO (government pharmaceutical office) called Sidegra, 150 thb for 4

Sidegra is generic Viagra (sildenafil citrate), not Cialis (tadalafil)

[bubba]

If you have insurance that covers medication and you have benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH), how about free Cialis?

 

Cialis is approved for treatment of dysuria associated with BPH. The prescription is for daily 5 mg tablets. I know for a fact that urologists at Bumrungrad and BKK Hospital prescribe it and the cost has been covered by insurance policies.

[xylophone]

27 minutes ago, bubba said:

If you have insurance that covers medication and you have benign prostate hyperplasia (BPH), how about free Cialis?

 

Cialis is approved for treatment of dysuria associated with BPH. The prescription is for daily 5 mg tablets. I know for a fact that urologists at Bumrungrad and BKK Hospital prescribe it and the cost has been covered by insurance policies.

Yes, have tried it for BPH, which I have had for a few years, however it does nothing for the condition (for me anyway) other than seem to make it worse............more's the pity on two fronts!!

[GarryP]

On 3/18/2018 at 6:59 PM, xylophone said:

A friend of mine was recently waxing lyrical about Gracku and said it worked really well and even gave me some to try, which I did, and like another poster has said the effect was quite startling – – in fact the old fella started to come to life without much encouragement.

 

I thought I was onto something here, until a few hours later I started to get some strange vision effects, sort of a blueish, blurry outline on things I was looking at, and it became quite annoying and worrying. Then I remembered having exactly the same reaction from some Viagra that I was given many years ago, this by a young doctor friend who swore that it was the best thing that had ever been invented, however I couldn't cope with it.

 

What I'm hinting at here is that I am as sure as I can be that this natural herbal remedy actually contains sildenafil or something similar to give this effect, and this would not be just a shot in the dark because many Chinese herbal "medicines" have been shown to contain modern drugs which can be manufactured very cheaply in China.

 

And these can be very dangerous because you don't know the dose and don't know exactly what it is. As I said I am as sure as I can be that this particular capsule contains a modern ED drug – – so be careful.
 

Gracku is made in Thailand and registered with the Thai FDA and I was surprised to learn also advertised on Thai mainstream television. I would be surprised if it contained modern drugs, but there are also fakes of this available on the market. Anyway, I think you will find there are some common side effects of some drugs and herbs which are used for the same purpose.   

[xylophone]

30 minutes ago, GarryP said:

Gracku is made in Thailand and registered with the Thai FDA and I was surprised to learn also advertised on Thai mainstream television. I would be surprised if it contained modern drugs, but there are also fakes of this available on the market. Anyway, I think you will find there are some common side effects of some drugs and herbs which are used for the same purpose.   

GRACKU CAPSULES TONIC BODY CHINESE HERBAL CENTURY SEX SUPPLEMENT

 

I have no doubt that you could be right, however the advertisements for them are very confusing, suggesting that they are a Chinese herbal product, not only that, some of the herbs included I have taken in previous Chinese herbal supplements, and they have nothing like the effect this one has (in particular a sort of vision impairment, very common with sildenafil).

 

Anyway, as we all know, this is Thailand and just about anything goes here where money is concerned, so if they can sanction the use of extremely dangerous pesticides/herbicides for use, knowing full well of the sometime disastrous effects that these have on the body, then some sort of addition into capsules like these would go "unnoticed".

 

 

[bubba]

3 hours ago, xylophone said:

Yes, have tried it for BPH, which I have had for a few years, however it does nothing for the condition (for me anyway) other than seem to make it worse............more's the pity on two fronts!!

 

That's unusual that Cialis made your symptoms worse. Sorry to hear that – even if it didn't help your BPH symptoms, there would have been no need to tell your urologist that and you could happily endure the side effects for free.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, bubba said:

 

That's unusual that Cialis made your symptoms worse. Sorry to hear that – even if it didn't help your BPH symptoms, there would have been no need to tell your urologist that and you could happily endure the side effects for free.

Yes Bubba, I was sorry to experience that too!! 

 

But I've tried this over the past few years here in Thailand, and unfortunately I would have to pay full price for it anyway, even if the doctor recommended it.

 

Not only does it not work for BPH it makes it a little harder to pass water, and it also gives me a face flush (sorry about the pun) and a slight headache, so I've got nowhere to go really, other than to wait for the day when the old fella seems a bit perky and make a few phone calls!

 

That's the reason I was keen to try the Grakcu capsules that my mate gave me, however not only did I get the same side-effects (as with Viagra, and Cialis, less so), but I got the vision problems which are quite common with sildenafil.

 

In fact I have just done some research on all of the ingredients in the Grakcu capsules (have taken a few of them before in a Chinese tonic I used to take) and the ingredients will help for such things as sedation and being good for constipation (clinical trials), to treat colds and colic as well as lower sugar levels (in animals) and can be used as a tonic, but nowhere specifically suggesting that it could help with ED, although one ingredient has been said to possibly increase sperm motility – – but that won't help if you've got a floppy old fella!

 

That's what makes me think there is something else in them...............

[FolkGuitar]

Unless I'm mistaken, Grakcu contains 'Epimedium,' also known as  Yin Yang Huo, but also well known throughout Malaysia and Indonesia as "Horny Goat Weed." Might that not be the not-so-secret ingredient that raises the flag?

[xylophone]

37 minutes ago, FolkGuitar said:

Unless I'm mistaken, Grakcu contains 'Epimedium,' also known as  Yin Yang Huo, but also well known throughout Malaysia and Indonesia as "Horny Goat Weed." Might that not be the not-so-secret ingredient that raises the flag?

It would be nice if it did, however there are no results or clinical trials which state that it can do what its other name suggests!

 

It can however cause irregular heartbeat, lower blood pressure, slow blood clotting and be an antagonist for certain types of cancer.

 

The point I was looking for in particular was one ingredient or side effect which gave me the same effects with regards to vision, as did sildenafil.........but none of the herbs did, so it still leads me to believe that there is something else in them, which is quite possible here.

 

PS. There is a suggestion that HGW might assist with ED but no clinical trials as yet have proven that, but beware of side effects which can be very dangerous......

 

Interactions. If you take any medicines or supplements regularly, talk to your doctor before you start using horny goat weed. It could interact with drugs like blood thinners, aspirin, birth control pills, antidepressants, treatments for immune disorders and thyroid problems, and medicines that lower blood pressure or cholesterol. Using horny goat weed with nitroglycerin can be extremely dangerous. Similar to its use with pharmaceutical erectile dysfunction medicines, mixing nitroglycerin with horny goat weed can even be fatal due to the potential for severe drops in blood pressure.

Edited March 20, 2018 by xylophone

[EricTh]

On 2018/3/19 at 9:28 PM, CMKiwi said:

Have used Kamagra gel... is useful if you are worried about having a brewers droop.

 

Agree with side effects as stated. Flush in the face and sometimes a mild headache.

 

I'm in the mid 50s and don't 'need' this stuff....however it does make things stay as they should even after a few ales, without having to concentrate to hard on the subject.

 

Yes pun intended...

 

If you don't need that stuff, then why is the sales so good? 

It's just like saying you don't need glasses to read books when you're above 50 but still many go to opticians to get glasses.

[EricTh]

4 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Unless I'm mistaken, Grakcu contains 'Epimedium,' also known as  Yin Yang Huo, but also well known throughout Malaysia and Indonesia as "Horny Goat Weed." Might that not be the not-so-secret ingredient that raises the flag?

If it is really horny goat weed, then it is herbal.

 

Chinese herbal is safer than synthetic drug like viagra but they are slow acting.

 

I've read about it, it increases sperm count and taken over some period (more than few days), it makes one horny, that's why the goats were horny.

 

This is not the same as viagra which has temporary effect but fast acting.

 

 

 

 

 

[chickenslegs]

2 minutes ago, EricTh said:

 

If you don't need that stuff, then why is the sales so good? 

It's just like saying you don't need glasses to read books when you're above 50 but still many go to opticians to get glasses.

I'm in my early 60's and don't have a problem (given the appropriate encouragement) but it's a very far cry from when I was 19 and could hardly keep it under control.

 

I've never used any "enhancement" medications but I don't rule it out. In fact I am very tempted to try a few - it would be great to feel 19 again.

[EricTh]

https://onlinedoctor.lloydspharmacy.com/blog/what-is-kamagra/

 

kamagra seems to be the generic version of viagra but made in India.

[EricTh]

Just now, chickenslegs said:

I'm in my early 60's and don't have a problem (given the appropriate encouragement) but it's a very far cry from when I was 19 and could hardly keep it under control.

 

I've never used any "enhancement" medications but I don't rule it out. In fact I am very tempted to try a few - it would be great to feel 19 again.

I think it's quite normal for  guys above 40s to stay hard for more than a few minutes, even though that's not called ED. Just like most of us need reading glasses when they turned 40ish even though we can still read albeit with difficulty.

 

[FolkGuitar]

13 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

Unless I'm mistaken, Grakcu contains 'Epimedium,' also known as  Yin Yang Huo, but also well known throughout Malaysia and Indonesia as "Horny Goat Weed." Might that not be the not-so-secret ingredient that raises the flag?

 

7 hours ago, EricTh said:

If it is really horny goat weed, then it is herbal.

Chinese herbal is safer than synthetic drug like viagra but they are slow acting.

I've read about it, it increases sperm count and taken over some period (more than few days), it makes one horny, that's why the goats were horny.

This is not the same as viagra which has temporary effect but fast acting.

 

Grakcu's effects become noticeable after about 90 minutes, reach full steam by two hours, and for about the next 24-36 hours, Little Willie jumps up at curves in the road and bumps on a frog. When I tried it, I almost wanted to buy the next larger size underwear just to be comfortable during the day!  VERY different from Viagra or Cialis. While the color shift in the blue spectrum is the same, and perhaps a slight headache, the clinical medications seem to work only AFTER there is some physical stimulation. Crakcu seems to bring its own along... 

 

Lots of fun, but I don't think it's something that I would want to use every day. Almost too powerful, even at the single capsule dose.

[EricTh]

On 3/21/2018 at 7:56 AM, FolkGuitar said:

 

 

Grakcu's effects become noticeable after about 90 minutes, reach full steam by two hours, and for about the next 24-36 hours, Little Willie jumps up at curves in the road and bumps on a frog. When I tried it, I almost wanted to buy the next larger size underwear just to be comfortable during the day!  VERY different from Viagra or Cialis. While the color shift in the blue spectrum is the same, and perhaps a slight headache, the clinical medications seem to work only AFTER there is some physical stimulation. Crakcu seems to bring its own along... 

 

Lots of fun, but I don't think it's something that I would want to use every day. Almost too powerful, even at the single capsule dose.

 

What I mean by slow acting is that it takes few weeks before the effect can be felt and it's longer lasting. It's just like building muscles in a gym, it takes months to see the effects.

 

If the effect is instanteneous (within 1 hour or so), then Crackcu is a synthetic drug and not herbal. What type of drug, nobody knows except the Chinese company who produced it.

 

Edited March 22, 2018 by EricTh

[stillhereandlovinit]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

What I mean by slow acting is that it takes few weeks before the effect can be felt and it's longer lasting. It's just like building muscles in a gym, it takes months to see the effects.

 

If the effect is instanteneous (within 1 hour or so), then Crackcu is a synthetic drug and not herbal. What type of drug, nobody knows except the Chinese company who produced it.

 

I tried it yesterday after reading this thread and to be fair I dont care whats in it. What a night and thanks for bringing Cracku to my attention. 

[GarryP]

1 hour ago, EricTh said:

 

What I mean by slow acting is that it takes few weeks before the effect can be felt and it's longer lasting. It's just like building muscles in a gym, it takes months to see the effects.

 

If the effect is instanteneous (within 1 hour or so), then Crackcu is a synthetic drug and not herbal. What type of drug, nobody knows except the Chinese company who produced it.

 

So you are saying that no herbal treatments have "instantaneous (within 1 hour or so)" effect.  It must be synthetic. I find that hard to believe.  In fact there are many fast acting herbs. Now whether or not that includes any of the herbs in Gracku, I have no idea.  

 

BTW, it is produced in Thailand.

[GarryP]

37 minutes ago, stillhereandlovinit said:

I tried it yesterday after reading this thread and to be fair I dont care whats in it. What a night and thanks for bringing Cracku to my attention. 

Any adverse effects such as blue vision, headache, stuffy nose?

[stillhereandlovinit]

52 minutes ago, GarryP said:

Any adverse effects such as blue vision, headache, stuffy nose?

Nothing so far (I have had a slight headache for a few weeks though with pollution but nothing different), I wont follow the instructions and take 1 per day though. But when I feel I need a boost I will certainly take it again.

[EricTh]

3 hours ago, GarryP said:

So you are saying that no herbal treatments have "instantaneous (within 1 hour or so)" effect.  It must be synthetic. I find that hard to believe.  In fact there are many fast acting herbs. Now whether or not that includes any of the herbs in Gracku, I have no idea.  

 

BTW, it is produced in Thailand.

 

Thailand do have their own drug producing companies. I have bought local generic version of antibiotics (which are drugs) before from local pharmacies.

 

Natural herbs don't act so fast. Eg. Ginseng, Horny goat weed, and all those Chinese herbs but they don't have much side effects.

 

I would be cautious in taking this Gracku more than once a month as it might be damaging to heart, liver or kidney. It's most probably a generic version of Viagra rather than natural herb.

 

 

Edited March 22, 2018 by EricTh