DLT say that rules regarding use of "red plates" on new motor vehicles will be clarified soon

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DLT say that rules regarding use of "red plates" on new motor vehicles will be clarified soon

 

Picture: Thai Rath

 

BANGKOK: -- Thai Rath reported on the public's confusion about the whole issue of red plates being issued for new vehicles

 

Much of the legislation dates back to 1975 and is open to not just confusion but interpretation.

 

In this regard the Thai Rath article begged more questions than it gave answers.

 

The Department of Land Transport has promised that moves are afoot to explain the legislation and make it more understandable to the public.

 

For example the first part of the legislation refers to red plates being used for purposes of "selling" a vehicle and "repairing" one.

 

The selling part refers essentially to dealers having a new car on the road that is not being transported on a car transporter to the showroom.

 

In reality when the red plate book has been completed with details of the purchaser of the vehicle then most people understand they can drive the car.

 

But - said Thai Rath after consultation with the DLT - that is not strictly true. In theory people can still be fined for driving a red plate car as it will be the dealers name on the document.

 

Other aspects are clearer but seem to be out of date or incomprehensible to people buying cars.

 

One is the rule that the car can only be used "between the hours of sunrise and sunset".

 

This is one of the questions in the driving test. No time is mentioned, just the rising and falling of the sun.

 

Red plate cars cannot therefore be driven at night and drivers are or can be fined for this.

 

Also the person named in the red book - that has to be the name of the dealer or the producer of the car - has to state if it will be driven "far away" from where it is registered.

 

Kaetraporn Khongdech at the DLT accepted that the rules are sometimes difficult to understand and there would be clarification coming out soon.

 

She said that in reality the regular plate can be issued within a day. Many people are driving around in red plate cars while they wait for auspicious or "cherished" numbers for their cars, she said.

 

Source: Thai Rath

 

-- © Copyright Thai Visa News 2017-08-02

[gandalf12]

What is the point of a red number plate? let the dealerships have a list of numbers they can use. The purchaser of a new car can then chose the number and have it made and fitted while they wait.

Seems a very antiquated system to issue a red number then get the proper number.

[NCC1701A]

"... and is open to not just confusion but interpretation."

 

in other words... more opportunity for corruption.

[edwinchester]

Rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty.

[ChrisY1]

So many people just keep the red plates for ever.....and don't pay tax.....

The red plate system is so darn stupid....why, like everywhere else, does each provincial LTD not have a stock of local plates?

[nev]

I thought the red plates was for Danger get out if my way.

[Gumballl]

Perhaps incorrect, but I was told once that those with red plates could also not travel outside the province from which the car was purchased.

[edwinchester]

2 minutes ago, nev said:

I thought the red plates was for Danger get out if my way.

Only on a hiso's Mercedes.

[nev]

7 minutes ago, Gumballl said:

Perhaps incorrect, but I was told once that those with red plates could also not travel outside the province from which the car was purchased.

I had red plates on my car when first bought, their is a time restriction too, no driving after a certain time, as for driving in another province we got pulled over had to pay a fine and was told no worry this is a one time fine if you get pulled over again just show this receipt.

[peterpaintpot]

Who knows what the regulations mean? Obviously not the authorities, they can't even explain them now, they need to think about it carefully!

 

This subject is dear to my heart as I purchased a Camry from Expat Motors 10 years and two months ago and I am still driving on red plates. Two plus years ago the Consumer Court ruled that I was the owner of the car and I now have legal court documents to show to the police, but that doesn't prevent me from getting stopped at road checks.

 

The Court has been trying for over 2 and a half years to get the licencing department to cooperate but apparently they are not so inclined. It is still not registered in my name. So I cannot sell the car.

 

Driving between dusk and daybreak should be avoided by all of us unless we want to increase the risk of having an accident on the roads in Thailand!

[electric]

28 minutes ago, peterpaintpot said:

Who knows what the regulations mean? Obviously not the authorities, they can't even explain them now, they need to think about it carefully!

 

This subject is dear to my heart as I purchased a Camry from Expat Motors 10 years and two months ago and I am still driving on red plates. Two plus years ago the Consumer Court ruled that I was the owner of the car and I now have legal court documents to show to the police, but that doesn't prevent me from getting stopped at road checks.

 

The Court has been trying for over 2 and a half years to get the licencing department to cooperate but apparently they are not so inclined. It is still not registered in my name. So I cannot sell the car.

 

Driving between dusk and daybreak should be avoided by all of us unless we want to increase the risk of having an accident on the roads in Thailand!

 

peterpaintpot .... sounds like a much more interesting story than the OP thread. 10 years+ is a very long time to be battling someone for car ownership.

 

What happened ?

[JerryinTH]

Almost every red Ferrari in Bangkok is driving around with a red plate in the back and no plate in the front. 

The lucky numbers included like 9999, 777 and such.. 

In other words -> status 

[NUUM]

STOP the red plates NOW... and issue yellow ones....

 

[LazySlipper]

 

It is a status symbol which states, "Look! I am rich!!! I have a new car!"

 

For me it is a warning sign..."stay as far away as possible... I am afraid to scratch my new paint so I will drive erratically."

[YetAnother]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

 

DLT say that rules regarding use of "red plates" on new motor vehicles will be clarified soon

 

Picture: Thai Rath

 

BANGKOK: -- Thai Rath reported on the public's confusion about the whole issue of red plates being issued for new vehicles

 

Much of the legislation dates back to 1975 and is open to not just confusion but interpretation.

 

In this regard the Thai Rath article begged more questions than it gave answers.

 

The Department of Land Transport has promised that moves are afoot to explain the legislation and make it more understandable to the public.

 

For example the first part of the legislation refers to red plates being used for purposes of "selling" a vehicle and "repairing" one.

 

The selling part refers essentially to dealers having a new car on the road that is not being transported on a car transporter to the showroom.

 

In reality when the red plate book has been completed with details of the purchaser of the vehicle then most people understand they can drive the car.

 

But - said Thai Rath after consultation with the DLT - that is not strictly true. In theory people can still be fined for driving a red plate car as it will be the dealers name on the document.

 

Other aspects are clearer but seem to be out of date or incomprehensible to people buying cars.

 

One is the rule that the car can only be used "between the hours of sunrise and sunset".

 

This is one of the questions in the driving test. No time is mentioned, just the rising and falling of the sun.

 

Red plate cars cannot therefore be driven at night and drivers are or can be fined for this.

 

 

OMG; what possible thought processes originated this 'law' ?!

[anon789561]

2 hours ago, Gumballl said:

Perhaps incorrect, but I was told once that those with red plates could also not travel outside the province from which the car was purchased.

when we bought our car last year when we drove down south we had to write the journey we were making in the book before we set out so if stopped at a check point the police would want to see that the journey had been recorded so there's probably some kind of truth in in.

[johng]

The whole sorry "registration" system needs to be brought into the modern age....Thailand 4.0 the hub of non sensible vehicle registration procedures.

[eeyang wah]

How do they manage to just <deleted> everything up, every time, without fail?

Getting so tired of this. 

[sawadee1947]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Red plate cars cannot therefore be driven at night and drivers are or can be fined for this.

joking? I haven't seen any police on duty at night since ages

[digger70]

Never had Red plates on the  new car we got ,Just waited for the real plates a few months. No problem as I told them I don't buy the red plates. 

[Nbarch]

My GF and I drove around in our pick-up for many months without any number plates at all. After getting fed up with being stopped by the police too often, we went to our dealer and said we want proper plates, he said, when he supplies the number plates the company has to pay the vehicle tax. My GF 'strongly' insisted on plates or she would return the new vehicle; we had plates with 24 hours!

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Dear TV reader, can you guess what is going on here?

[topt]

1 minute ago, Nbarch said:

My GF and I drove around in our pick-up for many months without any number plates at all. After getting fed up with being stopped by the police too often, we went to our dealer and said we want proper plates, he said, when he supplies the number plates the company has to pay the vehicle tax. My GF 'strongly' insisted on plates or she would return the new vehicle; we had plates with 24 hours!

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Dear TV reader, can you guess what is going on here?

It has been reported on here many times that dealers hold on to the money (that you paid) for as long as possible which is apparently the delay in issuing the normal white plates - which come after they have officially registered the car as sold apparently.

There was also a specific occasion some years ago when there was apparently a real shortage of white plates for some reason that escapes me. 

[Thian]

34 minutes ago, eeyang wah said:

How do they manage to just fack everything up, every time, without fail?

Getting so tired of this. 

 

One who buys a new car/bike wants to drive it straight away, no fun to hear the dealer say "cannot sir". Before he starts crying they offer the red plate or no plate at all....

 

There are so many vehicles without plates in BKK

[Techno Viking]

7 hours ago, gandalf12 said:

What is the point of a red number plate? let the dealerships have a list of numbers they can use. The purchaser of a new car can then chose the number and have it made and fitted while they wait.

Seems a very antiquated system to issue a red number then get the proper number.

I doubt the dealer can get old matey in the workshop the oil change monkey to drop spanners and punch some numbers into a "numberplate".

[phrisco17]

Just purchased a car in the USA for my daughter! Dealer provides a temporary tag that is placed in the rear window and is good for 60 days within which time the tax must be paid and permenant plates installed. 

 

The red plate the Thai dealer provides does not have the embossed  seal (probably a copy). The police will fine 500 baht if one is stoped. Have to deposit 3000 Baht with the dealer for an official embossed plate (refundable upon return).

 

As for the red plate rules, Thais like to make things complicated and ambiguous.

[Bung]

So they are going to "explain the legislation"?

 

Why not just change the legislation?

 

What may have worked in 1975 obviously doesn't work in 2017....

 

Its obviously open to abuse as most of us have seen,  just have a look what normal countries do for registering new vehicles and follow that.  Oh wait.... 

[Techno Viking]

6 minutes ago, phrisco17 said:

 

 

The red plate the Thai dealer provides does not have the embossed  seal (probably a copy). The police will fine 500 baht if one is stoped. Have to deposit 3000 Baht with the dealer for an official embossed plate (refundable upon return).

 

The 2 cars and 3 scooters Ive purchased had embossed seal plates, the scoots did not have the log books like the cars  though so maybe fake embossed seal on them.

[Moti24]

I bought a new Nissan Navara, and was told I could drive anywhere in Thailand, at any time, but when I entered another province, I had to fill-in another page in the book to keep within the law.  I bought the pickup on January 23rd, but when I got the documents about 2 months later, it was registered on February 12th, the day that some lazy arse processed it from the pile on his desk.  I've often wondered what the insurance company's attitude would have been if I had had an accident during those first 2 weeks.

 

I bought a Yamaha Nouvo, but no red plate was supplied.  I asked why, and got the answer, "Mai Bpen Rai, just show bill-of-sale.  The plate came after 32 days, but in that time, I had been pulled-up by the police 8 times.

 

The whole system is b******s!  If you buy a new car in The UK, you're rolling with the permament plate within a couple of days, sometimes the same day, if the car is at the dealers.

[Eff1n2ret]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

he Department of Land Transport has promised that moves are afoot to explain the legislation and make it more understandable to the public.

 

For example the first part of the legislation refers to red plates being used for purposes of "selling" a vehicle and "repairing" one.

 

The selling part refers essentially to dealers having a new car on the road that is not being transported on a car transporter to the showroom.

That looks pretty much like the system of "trade plates" that exists in the UK. It's just been perverted in Thailand by the dealers, who, as others have pointed out, bilk the government of a month-or-two's worth of tax.

[Humpy]

I had to wait one month for the  number plate for my brand new car. No red plate given , just a letter from the garage to say I was the owner if I was stopped. Twelve month's insurance included in the purchase. .... simple .