A Spanish tourist has gone online to issue a dire warning to the Thais about messing up their country

[ben2talk]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

police be posted on every beach and start fining people up to 100,000 baht for littering.

 

"If you don't it will cost you four times as much to get back what you have lost".

A bit like the opportunistic tents outside Hualumpong, also Central Bangna, that I remember in past years - brown shirts hanging around trying to spot someone dropping a bit of paper or having a sneaky smoke.

 

It was at Hualumpong about 10 years ago that I discovered that - even hand rolled cigarette butts rolled into a tiny ball and thrown down a drain is illegal. They tried for 2000 and ended up with 400 after 20 minutes.

 

Great idea that this tourist should suggest that we need more of this kind of behaviour.

[anon789561]

Just now, Kadilo said:

Compared to you he sounds kind he is clean and tea total.


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how do you know he's kind and how do you know he's tea total. I only make assumptions from what I can see and I see a young guy trying to tell everyone else what to do whilst he breaks the law sitting on his back side taking drugs.. I could be wrong. I have been before but that's what I see from that video

[johnarth]

4 hours ago, taipan1949 said:

I lasted 33 years in Thailand and finally just had enough of the filthy Pattaya sewer they call a beach, garbage all over the streets and nobody picks it up. I have moved to the Philippines where other than Manila the country is clean and beautiful. A school full of kids walked by my house the other day and my wife told me they were cruising their jurisdiction area picking up whatever garbage they could find, and I can tell you there was not much to pick up. The authorities teach pride in your city and country from when the kids are just small.

that is interesting I thought the Phil was as bad as here

[Cranky]

Unbelievable.  He is 100% bang on the money, totally irrefutably accurate yet 90% of responders feel it cool to batter him - <deleted> has his camp T-shirt got to do with it, or whether Spain is a lovely clean place or a dump; if a Libyan refugee voiced similar feelings about Thai road safety he would also be spot on regardless of the fact they have beaten Thailand in to second place in the road-kill stakes.

 

If enough people speak out eventually it may be heard.  I recall the way the 'Save the Whale' voices of the seventies were mocked, along with LBGT brigade, Abolishonists (of all sorts), Suffragettes et al.  Hell even Global Warming was pooh-poohed till recently.  

 

Yes, Thailand and the mockers, go ahead bury your head in the sand if you can find a clean patch.

 

[kcpattaya]

4 hours ago, BasalBanality said:

Does the video come with Thai subtitles or Thai-dubbed version? How else will the message be communicated?

555+++

[smotherb]

4 hours ago, taipan1949 said:

I lasted 33 years in Thailand and finally just had enough of the filthy Pattaya sewer they call a beach, garbage all over the streets and nobody picks it up. I have moved to the Philippines where other than Manila the country is clean and beautiful. A school full of kids walked by my house the other day and my wife told me they were cruising their jurisdiction area picking up whatever garbage they could find, and I can tell you there was not much to pick up. The authorities teach pride in your city and country from when the kids are just small.

Well, I agree that Thailand has many problems, but to put the PI as a pinnacle of pristine landscape is certainly a mistake.  I have lived in both countries for more than ten years each--I left the PI for many reasons--garbage and filth among them--and many of those same reasons are causing me to plan leaving Thailand. I last visited the PI in June, six weeks ago. It is true some areas have cleaner surroundings than others: Manila, for the most part, is a garbage dump, but so are many other areas. It is difficult to go through even the remotest PI barrio and not see clutter and garbage. My wife's barrio was hit by Typhoon Yolanda two or three years ago, there are still piles of rubble lining the streets, rubble that is small enough to be picked up by children--when I asked the barrio captain, he said they are waiting for the  government to pay them to pick it up.

 

 

[Kadilo]

how do you know he's kind and how do you know he's tea total. I only make assumptions from what I can see and I see a young guy trying to tell everyone else what to do whilst he breaks the law sitting on his back side taking drugs.. I could be wrong. I have been before but that's what I see from that video

I edited i meant like not kind.

That's what you see? Mmmmm

 

 

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[anon789561]

1 minute ago, Kadilo said:

I edited it meant like not kind.
That's what you see? Mmmmm


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i'm not moaning at your English but it can be quite hard to understand

[csabo]

A park in Seville Spain

 

[chuang]

The PM has times and again said he does not like this kind of negative comment....

[Cranky]

Just now, csabo said:

A park in Seville Spain

 

Ahhhh excellent.  So that makes this dump OK then.  Some kind of 'my dump is better/worse (not sure of your point) than your dump' pissing contest so just keep on dumping and leave us alone unless you are from Switzerland where a loose sweet wrapper fluttering down Geneva High Street makes the news or some such country that has zero rubbish on the streets.

 

Carry on Dumping.  Talking to Babs Windsor for the lead.  

 

 

 

[csabo]

4 hours ago, taipan1949 said:

I lasted 33 years in Thailand and finally just had enough of the filthy Pattaya sewer they call a beach, garbage all over the streets and nobody picks it up. I have moved to the Philippines where other than Manila the country is clean and beautiful. A school full of kids walked by my house the other day and my wife told me they were cruising their jurisdiction area picking up whatever garbage they could find, and I can tell you there was not much to pick up. The authorities teach pride in your city and country from when the kids are just small.

The Philippines

 

 

 

[lvr181]

6 hours ago, Happy enough said:

555 hilarious. he's basically saying take care of your place or it will end up being the dump that spain is. I'm sure that's what he's saying. there are many laws here that should clean the place up where it needs to be. pretty sure the powers that be don't need advice from young Spaniard. jog on young lad.

"...the powers that be.." don't take advice from anyone!  Tourists or otherwise! 

 

High order critical thinking is not exactly typical of Thai authorities.

 

Good on the young guy for putting it out there. No wonder the government does not like social media, especially when it bring to the forefront the failings of government.

[csabo]

3 minutes ago, Cranky said:

Ahhhh excellent.  So that makes this dump OK then.  Some kind of 'my dump is better/worse (not sure of your point) than your dump' pissing contest so just keep on dumping and leave us alone unless you are from Switzerland where a loose sweet wrapper fluttering down Geneva High Street makes the news or some such country that has zero rubbish on the streets.

 

Carry on Dumping.  Talking to Babs Windsor for the lead.  

 

 

 

Flawed logic. Never made any such statement.  You don't know me or what efforts I make to clean this country on a daily basis.

[spectrumisgreen]

4 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Littering is the national pastime, taught to the very young as early as possible. How dare he suggest they abandon their culture. 

Its so sad that so many here just don't 'get' that dumping their household rubbish anywhere they can really screws things up for EVERYONE, including themselves! Nevermind the beaches, my first experience of this was near Angthong, central Thailand, at a place called Watsrakaew, where I was a volunteer-teacher, and where local villagers routinely brought bagsful of their trash to throw down into a grass-banked stream - by  then already blocked and festering! - which led into the bigger river. When I looked gone-out at some of these folks hauling their weeks crap past me, they just looked totally perplexed back at me, like they really didn't comprehend what my 'issue' could possibly be!! Doesn't get better from there, does it?

[lvr181]

2 minutes ago, spectrumisgreen said:

Its so sad that so many here just don't 'get' that dumping their household rubbish anywhere they can really screws things up for EVERYONE, including themselves! Nevermind the beaches, my first experience of this was near Angthong, central Thailand, at a place called Watsrakaew, where I was a volunteer-teacher, and where local villagers routinely brought bagsful of their trash to throw down into a grass-banked stream - by  then already blocked and festering! - which led into the bigger river. When I looked gone-out at some of these folks hauling their weeks crap past me, they just looked totally perplexed back at me, like they really didn't comprehend what my 'issue' could possibly be!! Doesn't get better from there, does it?

600 years of an inability to think. Yes 'father' and no 'father' and there it ends. 

[Cranky]

1 minute ago, csabo said:

Flawed logic. Never made any such statement.  You don't know me or what efforts I make to clean this country on a daily basis.

Enlighten me then, what value does posting pictures of other piles of rubbish.  We could be here all day, not started on Indonesia yet... Fact is many beautiful parts of this planet are wrecked by pollution with very little effort to either clean it up or, at the very least stop it worsening.  Education would be a start.

[peterb17]

6 hours ago, Happy enough said:

and to the Spaniard in case you read this. your dress sense is terrible. your sunglasses are cheap and tacky, your top looks incredibly camp. perhaps that's your thing. people here don't need advice from anyone that comes from a place that hasn't got it's own house in order

Don't you ever wear stripes or a Jean Paul Gautier top? 

I think sequins , a wig and sparkly eye shadow might be classed as camp. 

 

One presumes you only  wear wife beaters- he looks fine. Just a hint of homophobia here? 

[anon789561]

4 minutes ago, lvr181 said:

"...the powers that be.." don't take advice from anyone!  Tourists or otherwise! 

 

High order critical thinking is not exactly typical of Thai authorities.

 

Good on the young guy for putting it out there. No wonder the government does not like social media, especially when it bring to the forefront the failings of government.

they do listen to the people. and the young guy can go swivel and start in his own country which as far as I can see is a complete shit hole. there is progress being made here

[lookchine]

Many tourists from countries such as China, India and many other countries have not really received any education about the impact of waste in a natural environment especially concerning plastics that are not biodegradable, It is a problem of society that governments must take into account and it begins with the education of the young people in the schools and by campaigns of sensitization through the media. ... but all this demands a willingness and cost money

[csabo]

4 minutes ago, Cranky said:

Enlighten me then, what value does posting pictures of other piles of rubbish.  We could be here all day, not started on Indonesia yet... Fact is many beautiful parts of this planet are wrecked by pollution with very little effort to either clean it up or, at the very least stop it worsening.  Education would be a start.

You are starting to enlighten yourself.  Awareness and education at home was the point of posting the photo of the gentleman's own homeland issues.  Schooling you on general social etiquette was an unforeseen benefit. 

[anon789561]

Just now, peterb17 said:

Don't you ever wear stripes or a Jean Paul Gautier top? 

I think sequins , a wig and sparkly eye shadow might be classed as camp. 

 

One presumes you only  wear wife beaters- he looks fine. Just a hint of homophobia here? 

wouldn't wear JPG after shave as that too is camp. I don't wear vests just so you know. if you must know right now I'm wearing a polo top from uniqlo, a pair of ralph lauren jeans that were on sale at central last month and a pair of k swiss flip flops. no sunglasses as i'm indoors ; )  oh. and i'm not homophobic 555

[Dustdevil]

Certainly Koh Samui was a paradise in 1987 when I visited, and so was Koh Phi Phi. They've made cesspools of those places now, and forget about Pattaya and Phuket. Hua Hin is just plain boring, along a shabby main road. Last time I was on Phi Phi was 17 years ago and at that time the isthmus part was garbage-strewn and the damned noisy water taxis operated till midnight every night. I asked a Swedish hut-neighbour if he didn't think the noise and sight of those thin didn't spoil the idea of a South Pacific Island-like paradise. He said it didn't bother him at all. And this guy was an academic. Clueless.

Edited August 10, 2017 by Dustdevil

[impulse]

The guy posted something he thought was the right thing to do.  Not for $$, not for fame or glory, not for selfish reasons.

 

Agree with all of his content or not, I respect the guy for trying to do good.  In spite of the virtual certainty that there would be a bunch of negative reactions.

 

I do agree with him that Thailand will eventually hit a tipping point when it becomes too late, if it hasn't already.  The best time to fix the problems is while the tourist money is still rolling in.  Not after the tourists quit coming and there's no money to do what needs to be done.  Thailand is one black swan event from being right there.

 

[csabo]

1 minute ago, Happy enough said:

wouldn't wear JPG after shave as that too is camp. I don't wear vests just so you know. if you must know right now I'm wearing a polo top from uniqlo, a pair of ralph lauren jeans that were on sale at central last month and a pair of k swiss flip flops. no sunglasses as i'm indoors ; )  oh. and i'm not homophobic 555

 

[Classic Ray]

I think he does make a valid point as his country has already suffered from the overblown tourism and all its negative effects, and he is just warning Thailand not to get in the same state. Just because Spain is not perfect doesn't make his observations about Thailand any less valuable.

 

I personally don't like visiting any tourist spots in Thailand, especially the beaches, as they are all very low quality and filthy.

[Dustdevil]

I'm not a beach person these days anyway. I like Chiang Mai.

[dinsdale]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

start fining people up to 100,000 baht for littering.

Forget the Lao Kao it's onto Black Label for the BIB. They'll all be driving Mercs and the ones at the top of the heap will be in Rolls Royces.

[Dustdevil]

1 minute ago, dinsdale said:

Forget the Lao Kao it's onto Black Label for the BIB. They'll all be driving Mercs and the ones at the top of the heap will be in Rolls Royces.

Is your first sentence in code? Do you require secret handshakes too?

[csabo]

1 minute ago, Dustdevil said:

Certainly Koh Samui was a paradise in 1987 when I visited, and so was Koh Phi Phi. They've made cesspools of those places now, and forget about Pattaya and Phuket. Hua Hin is just plain boring, along a shabby main road. Last time I was on Phi Phi was 17 years ago and at that time the isthmus part was garbage-strewn and the damned noisy water taxis operated till midnight every night. I asked a Swedish hut-neighbour if he didn't think the noise and sight of those thin didn't spoil the idea of a South Pacific Island-like paradise. He said it didn't bother him at all. And this guy was an academic. Clueless.

The point you have made well is that tourism is its own worst enemy.  You can only get so much of something into something else.  Greed overwhelms limits, the downward spiral begins.