A Spanish tourist has gone online to issue a dire warning to the Thais about messing up their country

[anon789561]

so this thread has become a baiting place. and for the record, Thailand is not a dirty shit hole just because you didn't like it

[KamalaRider]

1 minute ago, Happy enough said:

555. you take life to seriously. just in case I didn't make myself clear. that lad took drugs. let him sue me. I doubt he really cares and he would be wasting his time. anyway.

I had to leave Thailand, I didn't have to, but I left because there are too many of your kind, not caring or taking matters seriously enough. 

My hope is that someday ordinary citizens of Thailand have had enough of all crap that happens in Thailand, nothing is getting better, except finding farrang food in supermarkets to lower prices but that I can get in my home country.

You missed a HUGE point I made, HE'S spending HIS money in a country that spits him in the face. I had enough of the spitting from stupid Thais so I made the decision to move out from Thailand taking my IT business with me and hence, my salary spending and taxes I paid together with I had to fire my wonderful staff, they lost their wages and my company paid good salaries and they paid taxes as well. So if you are going to try and trashtalk someone who's putting focus of one of the problems in Thailand, in my opinion, you are just shooting yourself in the foot. 

[eddysmit]

6 hours ago, taipan1949 said:

I lasted 33 years in Thailand and finally just had enough of the filthy Pattaya sewer they call a beach, garbage all over the streets and nobody picks it up. I have moved to the Philippines where other than Manila the country is clean and beautiful. A school full of kids walked by my house the other day and my wife told me they were cruising their jurisdiction area picking up whatever garbage they could find, and I can tell you there was not much to pick up. The authorities teach pride in your city and country from when the kids are just small.

I first tiptoed on Pattaya beach over forty years ago, a lot of wooden buildings about, a few low-level small hotels, quite a few tin shacks with girls playfully enticing people in, the beach to my recollection was a lot higher because I can remember stepping over a low wall onto the beach, the beach was clean and had large round grass/palm-leaf like covered shade spots but the water was a terrible grey colour, I was told it was full of sewage, I never entered it then nor have I entered it since, further down south of Bangkok have fantastic clean beaches, many are looked after by soldiers.

[KamalaRider]

13 minutes ago, zzidenn said:

the absurdity of his reactions has by far reached rock bottom, just let him discredit himself 

I know, but you do know that Thai authorities are doing what the Russians do all the time, they use social media, forums like this to deflect or to spread lies and rumours instead of taking care of problems, and he just might be a paid asset doing just that.

[anon789561]

3 minutes ago, KamalaRider said:

I know, but you do know that Thai authorities are doing what the Russians do all the time, they use social media, forums like this to deflect or to spread lies and rumours instead of taking care of problems, and he just might be a paid asset doing just that.

now that was worth logging on for. thank you. 55555

[zzidenn]

1 minute ago, KamalaRider said:

I know, but you do know that Thai authorities are doing what the Russians do all the time, they use social media, forums like this to deflect or to spread lies and rumours instead of taking care of problems, and he just might be a paid asset doing just that.

mhhh that actually makes sense, I was just thinking that his drug history might have fried essential parts of his brain.

He is just provoking and stirring things up. I hope the moderators will go through his answers, quotes and comments and realise that he is intentionally trolling this thread

[masuk]

8 hours ago, Happy enough said:

555 hilarious. he's basically saying take care of your place or it will end up being the dump that spain is. I'm sure that's what he's saying. there are many laws here that should clean the place up where it needs to be. pretty sure the powers that be don't need advice from young Spaniard. jog on young lad.

The powers that be might not like advice, but it is CERTAINLY NEEDED!

 

My home state in Australia relies a lot on tourism, and some older Dutch ladies made some honest comments about bottles, cans and trash thrown out of car windows.

The Govt took action and bought in strong anti-litter laws and it worked.

Schools joined in and taught kids to use bins, dog pooper-scoopers were introduced, and it all worked well.

A few well-publicised fines works wonders!!!

 

No use moaning about it;  Education, fines, work orders are needed, and maybe we won't have examples such as Pattya where people choose to go elsewhere.

 

 

[anon789561]

ohh they're all on me now. i'm going for a swim. you lot are funny. i'm a spy that needs moderating that lives in a shit hole. whatever

[Arandora]

"  8 hours ago, webfact said:

In a statement, the bureau said that the order, effective from October 1, would cancel the existing TM6 form and replace it with a new one that asks for information necessary for the Ministry of Tourism and Sports in analysing and planning tourism marketing strategies."

 

Perhaps every tourist should put thoughts like this on the new TM6 form on departure so that the Ministry of Silly Strategies can take them into account and ignore accordingly - except the form is being made shorter not longer! 

[khunPer]

31 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

And I leave dirty sheets and towels in my hotel room every morning, but the hotel management is smart enough to realize that part of the money I'm paying to stay there should be spent on cleaning those sheets and towels.  Just like the beaches here, they don't HAVE TO spend the time and money cleaning up after me.  But it's just good business sense.

 

Which is why just about every inner-city beach back home gets groomed the way they also groom ski trails (they really don't have to groom those, either- unless they want repeat customers).  Just good business sense.

 

If you paid to use the beach I could to a certain degree agree, but beaches are public and all user's responsibility – how do you act in your home country; or do the beaches there look like a pigsty..?

[Thaiwrath]

26 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

so this thread has become a baiting place. and for the record, Thailand is not a dirty shit hole just because you didn't like it

May we suggest to the Mods to start a new sub-forum:-

 

"I left Thailand, but would still like to rant about it." sub-forum

 

It would probably have a record number of posts within days.

[Baerboxer]

9 hours ago, Happy enough said:

555 hilarious. he's basically saying take care of your place or it will end up being the dump that spain is. I'm sure that's what he's saying. there are many laws here that should clean the place up where it needs to be. pretty sure the powers that be don't need advice from young Spaniard. jog on young lad.

 

The Spaniards came pretty close to screwing their own holidaymakers cash cow up. Scams, crap hotels, corruption, and general filthy state. Someone twigged in time and at least stopped the rot. 

So he's talking from experience.

[HerbalEd]

9 hours ago, Happy enough said:

and to the Spaniard in case you read this. your dress sense is terrible. your sunglasses are cheap and tacky, your top looks incredibly camp. perhaps that's your thing. people here don't need advice from anyone that comes from a place that hasn't got it's own house in order

What are you? The fashion police? 

[spidermike007]

Interesting discourse. As I posted previously, some time ago:

 

Again, this is a situation where nobody is attempting to get to the root of the problem. Of course, in Thai society, it is not particularly popular to look within for the source of the problem. There are countless things that could be done to bring some environmental awareness to the Thai people. It starts at the educational level. For a people who are constantly going on and on about how much they love their country, they are sure willing to degrade it, to a mind numbing level. And to make sure that the natural areas, that the tourists like to frequent, they could establish clean up crews (a very inexpensive thing to do), and place alot of bins in tourist areas. How many times I have spent 15 minutes searching for a bin. Ever try to find one on the streets of Bangkok, Samui, or Phuket? How about on the beaches? 

 

I think perhaps a few decades from now, they will have tourism classes at university, where they will discuss how Thailand lost the golden egg of Western tourism. Those tourists, unlike most Chinese tourists, spent anywhere from $100 a day, to over $2,000 a day. They brought real money into the country, and in exchange, were treated with utter and complete disregard, scammed, disrespected, and abused. Eventually, most said no more. Thailand thought the country was something very special, and that nobody would ever say no, or find alternative places to visit. The fact is that there are countless other spots, many in this region, that offer better service, more expertise in food and beverage (especially wine service and selection at fair prices, which rich tourists demand), reasonable import duties to sustain a luxury goods market, better training, and far better english skills. Thailand simply lost sight of the big picture, and had very little vision, with regard to big spending tourists, who need to be catered to, instead of scorned.  

 

So, what happened? The Western tourists started to decline in number, and the genius minds at the TAT decided it was time to "lure" the Chinese. They came. They came in droves. But, they did not spend much money. Hotels, restaurants, gift shops, jewelers, galleries, spas, massage shops, bars, and countless other businesses suffered, and will continue to suffer from this extreme myopia, on the part of the officials in charge of tourism. Oh well. Can't say they were not warned. Zero baht tourists are perhaps the majority who visit Thailand now. Sure, they spend some money in restaurants, and in 7/11. But, that is about it, for some of the super low budget Chinese tours. Not many rich Chinese are not visiting Thailand, for a dozen good reasons. They have too many other options. Some will debate this. They will say that the tourism numbers continue to rise, so how can that be a problem? Well, in my opinion warm bodies, and alot of them, do not make up for quality tourists, who spent alot of money. A relatively small fraction of the 8.7 million Chinese tourists who came last year spent any significant amount of money, on their super low budget tours. 

 

There are countless things the government could be doing, if they wanted to attract the high quality tourists. The very first thing would be to repeal the anti faring wine bill, that was passed by a few very corrupt senators way back when, to protect an anemic local wine industry. They are losing billions of dollars a year in revenue, that could be had from a 100% wine duty, instead of 460%. The five star hotels would have major wine events, and the entire industry would flourish here. But again, the lack of vision, combined with a naive, surly, silly, churlish, and ignorant sense of nationalism, bites the country in the butt. And again, who is the loser? The Thai people. 

 

It is a real shame, as I find most Thai people to be quite lovely, friendly, warm, helpful and fun to be around. I am sure many feel the same way. But, unfortunately they are cursed with a government that is incompetent, myopic, non-visionary, indifferent, and reckless beyond imagination.

 

Little P. Leading Thailand backwards at an astonishing and alarming pace. 

Edited August 10, 2017 by spidermike007

[impulse]

12 minutes ago, khunPer said:

If you paid to use the beach I could to a certain degree agree, but beaches are public and all user's responsibility – how do you act in your home country; or do the beaches there look like a pigsty..?

 

We don't pay to use the beaches back home.  And there will always be a subset of the population that leaves a mess on public ground, and debris washing up with the tides.  Yet, it gets cleaned up on a regular basis.  Because they realize we may not pay to use the beach, but we pay to stay in hotels and eat at restaurants so we can be near the beach.  

 

No clean beach means empty hotels and restaurants, with no hotel taxes rolling in, and no hotel jobs.   And in a lot of cases, it's the hotels themselves that pay to have the public beaches cleaned, even though it's not their property.  For the same reasons.

 

Going back to the post I was responding to, they can throw up their hands and blame the tourists for the mess, or they can clean it up to perpetuate their income stream.  One of those options is good business. But not the one they've been practicing.

 

[spidermike007]

20 minutes ago, Thaiwrath said:

May we suggest to the Mods to start a new sub-forum:-

 

"I left Thailand, but would still like to rant about it." sub-forum

 

It would probably have a record number of posts within days.

 

Very lame. Nearly every time I see someone complaining, or observing a shortfall within Thailand, some lame guy, who has not taken the time to think things through, nor to devote any focus or effort to a reasonable reply, says something like "Perhaps Thailand is not for you", or maybe you should leave, or the top prize, "if you do not like it here, go back to your own country". Hard to even respond to such inane statements. Why? Because I have some issues with the place? Sorry to inform you, but the nature of a discerning mind, is to have issues. Though absolute contentment must be a beautiful state of mind, it is not something most of us are blessed with, in case you have not noticed. The fact that I complain, does not mean I do not love Thailand, nor most of it's people. I do. I love my life here. I have a very good life here. But, I do have some complaints, and there are some things I would love to see improved. I should leave because of that? Please. Next time you make a post, try to devote at least two moments of thought to it. 

[ncc1701d]

8 hours ago, Happy enough said:

his point is not valid. perhaps there could be people handing out fines of a few hundred baht for littering, I believe they are working on that in some places where people are basically ignorant. the bloke comes from a place where they have a load of illegal immigrants selling illegal goods on some of their main beaches whilst they piss in the sand that your daughter plays in. no credit

What possible difference does it make where he comes from or what he's wearing? His points are valid regardless. You could say that his points carry more weight because of that a has happened in his own country. 

 

 

[bristolgeoff]

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this  is a ongoing problem that the thais know about.they know what they must do to clean the beaches but they have too to enforce it

[khunPer]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

We don't pay to use the beaches back home.  And there will always be a subset of the population that leaves a mess on public ground, and debris washing up with the tides.  Yet, it gets cleaned up on a regular basis.  Because they realize we may not pay to use the beach, but we pay to stay in hotels and eat at restaurants so we can be near the beach.  

 

No clean beach means empty hotels and restaurants, with no hotel taxes rolling in, and no hotel jobs.   And in a lot of cases, it's the hotels themselves that pay to have the public beaches cleaned, even though it's not their property.  For the same reasons.

 

Going back to the post I was responding to, they can throw up their hands and blame the tourists for the mess, or they can clean it up to perpetuate their income stream.  One of those options is good business. But not the one they've been practicing.

 

My point is, that tourists themselves also leave beaches in a mess – they don't need to – leave the beach in same good order, you expect it to be when you arrive; it's not that difficult to clear your mess...

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, joeyg said:

I pick up trash on the beach or street in Thailand regularly.  Do you?

 

While we appreciate your efforts to beautify Thailand, asking us if we pick up trash, is a bit like trying to convert us to Christianity, or telling us we are infidels because we are not Muslim. It is something you do because you feel it is the right thing to do. Right? So, live and let live. It is not your responsibility to change the world, thank you very much.

[Thaiwrath]

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Very lame. Nearly every time I see someone complaining, or observing a shortfall within Thailand, some lame guy, who has not taken the time to think things through, nor to devote any focus or effort to a reasonable reply, says something like "Perhaps Thailand is not for you", or maybe you should leave, or the top prize, "if you do not like it here, go back to your own country". Hard to even respond to such inane statements. Why? Because I have some issues with the place? Sorry to inform you, but the nature of a discerning mind, is to have issues. Though absolute contentment must be a beautiful state of mind, it is not something most of us are blessed with, in case you have not noticed. The fact that I complain, does not mean I do not love Thailand, nor most of it's people. I do. I love my life here. I have a very good life here. But, I do have some complaints, and there are some things I would love to see improved. I should leave because of that? Please. Next time you make a post, try to devote at least two moments of thought to it. 

Next time you read a post, read it properly.

I mentioned people who no longer live here, but spend ALL their spare time slagging the place off !

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, lvr181 said:

600 years of an inability to think. Yes 'father' and no 'father' and there it ends. 

 

And I tell most of my Thai friends, and I told my Thai wife for years, that until you learn to say "Father, you are absolutely wrong. This is the way it is", and learn to back up your argument, you are not a whole person. Blind obedience in and of itself is not a noble quality. 

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, Dustdevil said:

Certainly Koh Samui was a paradise in 1987 when I visited, and so was Koh Phi Phi. They've made cesspools of those places now, and forget about Pattaya and Phuket. Hua Hin is just plain boring, along a shabby main road. Last time I was on Phi Phi was 17 years ago and at that time the isthmus part was garbage-strewn and the damned noisy water taxis operated till midnight every night. I asked a Swedish hut-neighbour if he didn't think the noise and sight of those thin didn't spoil the idea of a South Pacific Island-like paradise. He said it didn't bother him at all. And this guy was an academic. Clueless.

 

From my point of view, the biggest issue with the southern islands, is that most of the locals, and land owners left a decade, or two ago. So, there is no local pride. It shows everywhere. The lack of sustainable development, the infrastructure, the lack of sanitary conditions, the roads, the beaches, the rivers, the seas, the lack of living coral reefs, etc. The environmental degradation is not something that had to happen. There are countless things that could have been done to prevent that. If only someone cared. If only the authorities were not only about the money. If only there was even a small amount of local pride, combined with a progressive mentality, and the vision to see past this afternoon. But, there is not. And it really shows. 

[impulse]

5 minutes ago, khunPer said:

My point is, that tourists themselves also leave beaches in a mess – they don't need to – leave the beach in same good order, you expect it to be when you arrive; it's not that difficult to clear your mess...

 

We agree on that 100%.  But even if every tourist cleaned up after themselves (and that's not a realistic expectation), they'd still have the tidal debris.

 

Which leaves them with the choice of cleaning up the beaches, or risk a constant decline in any tourists with $$$ who come here for the beaches.  The ones here for the sex, and the consequence free boozing, and the rock bottom prices will keep coming.  But that's just a downward spiral.

 

[ttrd]

9 hours ago, Happy enough said:

 people here don't need advice from anyone that comes from a place that hasn't got it's own house in order

I assume it is exactly those who really know what they are talking about and can give plausible advice "about what you should not do" based on that fact...;)

Edited August 10, 2017 by ttrd

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, taipan1949 said:

I lasted 33 years in Thailand and finally just had enough of the filthy Pattaya sewer they call a beach, garbage all over the streets and nobody picks it up. I have moved to the Philippines where other than Manila the country is clean and beautiful. A school full of kids walked by my house the other day and my wife told me they were cruising their jurisdiction area picking up whatever garbage they could find, and I can tell you there was not much to pick up. The authorities teach pride in your city and country from when the kids are just small.

 

Good on some of the Philippine people for having a sense of environmental awareness. That country is infinitely more Western than Thailand. So, perhaps some that awareness has been taught. I have seen many areas in the PI that do not fit that description. But, at least some are doing something. That pride in your city, and your country is a Western trait, in my opinion. The Thais have national pride, but it is very, very fake. Only skin deep. They might rant about how their country is the center of the universe, and the most important country in the world, or the best place to live (really cannot argue with that one), but when it comes to actually doing something to demonstrate that pride, little is done to beautify the place, to protect the environment, or to clean up after themselves. It appears to be a contradiction in terms, until you study the local national pride, see where it came from, and the political motivations behind it. Then you start to get it.

[maxpower]

20 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Very lame. Nearly every time I see someone complaining, or observing a shortfall within Thailand, some lame guy, who has not taken the time to think things through, nor to devote any focus or effort to a reasonable reply, says something like "Perhaps Thailand is not for you", or maybe you should leave, or the top prize, "if you do not like it here, go back to your own country". Hard to even respond to such inane statements. Why? Because I have some issues with the place? Sorry to inform you, but the nature of a discerning mind, is to have issues. Though absolute contentment must be a beautiful state of mind, it is not something most of us are blessed with, in case you have not noticed. The fact that I complain, does not mean I do not love Thailand, nor most of it's people. I do. I love my life here. I have a very good life here. But, I do have some complaints, and there are some things I would love to see improved. I should leave because of that? Please. Next time you make a post, try to devote at least two moments of thought to it. 

You must remember that most of the guys who rant about those ranting are protecting their honey pot.

Complaints about the surroundings are not music to the ears for a man with his hand on a wet patch.

[spidermike007]

19 minutes ago, Thaiwrath said:

Next time you read a post, read it properly.

I mentioned people who no longer live here, but spend ALL their spare time slagging the place off !

 

Your point is well noted. But, I guess I was focusing on the number of people who still live here, and are hyper critical of those of us who have a democratic means of expression, and the desire to see things improve, and that always astonishes me. What is the issue about voicing our sincere desire to see some progress? If it is just pure moaning and groaning I get it. But, there is so much that could be done. 

Edited August 10, 2017 by spidermike007

[Cletus]

8 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Littering is the national pastime, taught to the very young as early as possible. How dare he suggest they abandon their culture. 

 

It seems to be your culture and preferred pastime as well given you choose to spend your time here.

[smew]

Great message and he is right, little naive believing Thais willl do anything about it. Thais do not believe it as they think farangs willlcome here no matter what for the young sexy ladies