Less businessmen pay bribes but the amount of bribes increases

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Less businessmen pay bribes but the amount of bribes increases

By Thai PBS

 

 

BANGKOK: -- More business operators say they do not pay state officials in order to win a contract or a project, but the amount of under-the-table payoffs increases, said Assistant Professor Thanawat Pholvichai, director of Economic and Business Forecast Centre of Thai Chamber of Commerce University, on Thursday (Aug 10).

 

The centre conducted an opinion poll on public perception about corruption situation in Thailand and the findings showed that the situation was perceived to have worsened with the score dropping to 53 out of 100 in June this year from 55 last December and Thailand’s perceived trend of corruption dropped from 57 to 54.

 

Mr Thanawat explained that the decline in corruption index stemmed from public concern over corruption situation in the future which tends to worsen due to the fact that the government is in the process of implementing several mega infrastructure projects and the eastern economic corridor project.

 

Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/less-businessmen-pay-bribes-amount-bribes-increases/

 

-- © Copyright Thai PBS 2017-08-11

[BasalBanality]

Same same but different?

[heybruce]

The military government has reduced corruption in areas that doesn't benefit it, but has increased corruption that benefits the generals and company.

[rkidlad]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

The military government has reduced corruption in areas that doesn't benefit it, but has increased corruption that benefits the generals and company.

Yes, but try explaining that to people who think that the current lot prosecuting their enemies reduces the corruption. It doesn't. It just means one side gets more. The excess cash ain't going back to the people. 

[Lupatria]

That's proof! Sustainability finally arrived in LOS.

[stephen tracy]

Now that you only have to pay the military the report makes sense I suppose.

[candide]

2 hours ago, rkidlad said:

Yes, but try explaining that to people who think that the current lot prosecuting their enemies reduces the corruption. It doesn't. It just means one side gets more. The excess cash ain't going back to the people. 

Moreover, as they are protected, they can ask for a higher %. "With us, you pay more but you have no risk of being caught". Kind of insurance cost....

[klauskunkel]

the practice to make an index out of a perception is corrupt in itself

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

the practice to make an index out of a perception is corrupt in itself

You have an unusual definition of corruption. However even if you believe this, no one has found a more accurate means of measuring corruption at the national level.  People who demand bribes and benefit from corruption don't open their accounts for a detailed audit.

[klauskunkel]

Just now, heybruce said:

You have an unusual definition of corruption. However even if you believe this, no one has found a more accurate means of measuring corruption at the national level.  People who demand bribes and benefit from corruption don't open their accounts for a detailed audit.

thought about it... and you are right.

[chrisinth]

I've got to laugh at polls like this.

 

How many people with truly sticky fingers are going to implicate themselves and admit to under-the-table dealings?

 

Sorry, none of this rings true IMO.

 

In fact taking it further, why are the alleged state officials, who have raised the amounts still in their jobs? Corruption in this country isn't going to be solved by polls, it will only get better when those guilty of the corruption are brought to task. 

[stephen tracy]

3 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

I've got to laugh at polls like this.

 

How many people with truly sticky fingers are going to implicate themselves and admit to under-the-table dealings?

 

Sorry, none of this rings true IMO.

 

In fact taking it further, why are the alleged state officials, who have raised the amounts still in their jobs? Corruption in this country isn't going to be solved by polls, it will only get better when those guilty of the corruption are brought to task. 

"why are the alleged state officials, who have raised the amounts still in their jobs?"  How do you go about firing/getting rid of a "PM" for corruption who declared that his wealth and assets, and those of his family, are off limits to questioning and/or scrutiny?  You'd be faced with Attitude Adjustment or jail or both.

[heybruce]

10 minutes ago, chrisinth said:

I've got to laugh at polls like this.

 

How many people with truly sticky fingers are going to implicate themselves and admit to under-the-table dealings?

 

Sorry, none of this rings true IMO.

 

In fact taking it further, why are the alleged state officials, who have raised the amounts still in their jobs? Corruption in this country isn't going to be solved by polls, it will only get better when those guilty of the corruption are brought to task. 

" The centre conducted an opinion poll on public perception about corruption situation in Thailand ..."

 

For the reasons you cited, the only moderately effective way to measure corruption is by surveys asking business operators to express "opinions" that do not incriminate themselves.

 

If you have a more accurate way to measure widespread corruption the entire world (outside of the beneficiaries of corruption) would like to know what it is.  If you are suggesting we should ignore corruption, the beneficiaries are on your side.

[natway09]

Stop talking to people about "public perception" Talk to the people who have to pay to stay in business.

I'm outa here 

[heybruce]

Just now, natway09 said:

Stop talking to people about "public perception" Talk to the people who have to pay to stay in business.

I'm outa here 

That's how the poll was conducted:

 

" More business operators say they do not pay state officials in order to win a contract or a project, but the amount of under-the-table payoffs increases..."

[zzaa09]

7 hours ago, BasalBanality said:

Same same but different?

One step forward and three steps back.

[wavemanwww]

They took a survey to key CEO's thailand,

Question : Do you take bribes?

Answer: Duhhh .No!

 

 

What a joke of a survey!

[HerbalEd]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

The military government has reduced corruption in areas that doesn't benefit it, but has increased corruption that benefits the generals and company.

Do you actually know details as a fact, or are you just assuming? Gotta feeling it's the latter.

[heybruce]

26 minutes ago, wavemanwww said:

They took a survey to key CEO's thailand,

Question : Do you take bribes?

Answer: Duhhh .No!

 

 

What a joke of a survey!

Try reading the article. 

[Baerboxer]

7 hours ago, heybruce said:

The military government has reduced corruption in areas that doesn't benefit it, but has increased corruption that benefits the generals and company.

 

Speculation.

[Dave67]

" the decline in corruption index stemmed from public concern over corruption "

 

 

No shit Sherlock

[dinsdale]

Brilliant. Less corruption. Bigger bribes. 1+1=3 TIT. Corrupt top to bottom.

Edited August 11, 2017 by dinsdale

[heybruce]

13 hours ago, heybruce said:

The military government has reduced corruption in areas that doesn't benefit it, but has increased corruption that benefits the generals and company.

 

5 hours ago, HerbalEd said:

Do you actually know details as a fact, or are you just assuming? Gotta feeling it's the latter.

 

5 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Speculation.

Quite right on both counts.  If the current military government were to apply the transparency they insist must apply to other parts of government, we could stop speculating.

 

Still, the unexplained wealth, and nepotism, and criminality of the generals does make one speculate.