'Active shooter' near Las Vegas casino

[Kiwiken]

The problem is not people owning Weapons. It is limited Policing of those who have weapons. 

We may never know the true motivation of this person. perhaps he just hated Country Rock

[julietx]

makes you wonder how bad it has to get before the USA will actually consider gun control.......my guess is never.

[joecoolfrog]

1 hour ago, howto said:

The firearm used, and the ammo, was not legal to be bought by this perp.

The problem is that too many people are being literal , the guns are good / bad arguments are not working , there needs to be some form of concensus or these slaughters will just keep happening.

[joecoolfrog]

1 hour ago, Grumpy Duck said:

I have suggested a great alternative to gun control. Make a mandatory insurance requirement for possession of any deadly weapon, (to include crossbows). Open carry or concealed, no proof of insurance no weapon. The insurance industry would make sure no whacko's or people with a history of violence could possess a weapon 

That is the type of out of the box thinking that is required.

[Blackheart1916]

6 hours ago, newnative said:

I certainly hope you are right but I am not optimistic with the way things are in America right now.

The way things are right now? This cycle has repeated no matter how things are and who is in charge. Every time there is a mass killing, we hear the same platitudes from the same Oval Office, and nothing ever happens. I am no fan of DT, but to be fair this has been going on for decades.

[gk10002000]

My sister is headed their next week and will be seeing the absinthe show.  My buddy was there just two weeks ago.  I bet when the investigation is complete here is what you will find.

 

1:  His girlfriend that is from the Philippines and flew back to the PI and they recently had broken up.

2:  News reports have said he does frequent the casinos a lot.  I predict he just went busted, is in debt, etc.  The casino records will show if this is true or not. 

3:  He is 64 and I think his social security should be looked at.  He may have just had an unfavorable ruling or just found out how little he may get, etc.  Something along those lines may be a factor.

[gk10002000]

Not an expert.  But a quick review on yuuutube sounds like a MP-5 rate of fire and sound?

[Ruffian Dick]

8 minutes ago, gk10002000 said:

Not an expert.  But a quick review on yuuutube sounds like a MP-5 rate of fire and sound?

Could be, but would he choose 9mm when he's shooting from 30+ floors high?

It does sort of sound like that.

[smutcakes]

Did not take long for this thread to turn into a how big is your dick mong off on peoples gun knowledge and arsenal.

 

Waiting for the next stage which will be the ones claiming if only they were there with their guns etc they would have snipered the shooter from the window etc

[gk10002000]

57 minutes ago, Ruffian Dick said:

Could be, but would he choose 9mm when he's shooting from 30+ floors high?

It does sort of sound like that.

Yeah I know. Total slant range was on the order of 1100 yards.  A  bit of a stretch.  Won't be long before the bullets are displayed and the results resulted.

[simple1]

8 hours ago, JemJem said:

I am not surprised at all that the guy was a converter to Muslim.

 

No offence to peaceful Muslims, but Islam has its hands in blood big-time ! Face it !

 

Why are you enabling unproven ISIS propaganda?

 

US law enforcement to date have so far not been able to identify the murderer's "beliefs". Media have announced many weapons located at the killer's hotel room, further 18 weapons, plus explosives, at his home, plus in the process of raiding another property in Northern Nevada. Right now, purely as an assumption, sounds like some White right wing conspiracy nutcase or simply mentally ill. If proven to be mentally ill it raises the question if he was identified by a medical professional and whether reported to relevant authorities who license gun owners - apparently some States do not comply to Federal requirements & report mentally ill gun owners.

[bazza73]

9 hours ago, TonyClifton said:

 

Perhaps you could enlighten us all as to what we should be defending?  You can't possibly be so apoplectic that you believe anyone here would defend the actions of this murderer?  

 

Are you ok?

I'm fine. Australia set the example for you when we banned semi-automatic weapons after Port Arthur over 20 years ago. We haven't had a gun massacre since.

If we want to hunt, we get along fine with bolt-action rifles - which are still permitted in Australia, contrary to the propaganda ravings of your NRA.

Semi-automatic weapons have only one purpose - to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible.It's tragic that innocent people get killed on the altar of the Second Amendment. You guys have gone beyond slow learners, to being incapable of learning.

 

[craigt3365]

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/02/media/facebook-google-misinformation-las-vegas/index.html

 

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Google and Facebook help spread bad information after Las Vegas attack

Perhaps the most egregious strain of misinformation took hold after far-right trolls gathered on 4chan, a forum in which individuals are permitted to post almost anything anonymously, and, through some amateur online sleuthing, misidentified the shooter. The false claim spread quickly on the Internet.

The Gateway Pundit, a far-right website, published a story declaring that the person 4chan had named was the culprit. It described him as someone thought to be "a Democrat who liked Rachel Maddow, MoveOn.org, and associated with the anti-Trump army."

 

 

Fake news strikes again.  And some fall for it.  One reason to stick to the MSM.

[manarak]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There's always an excuse. 

Something is very rotten in the American system that this keeps happening again and again there. 

 

You might be correct after all about the weapon being legal !

The rather peculiar rate of fire made me search the internet and some articles about the shooting say a device like the "hellfire gen 2" might have been used to up the rate of fire almost to full auto rate.

It's a small contraption that can be clipped on the trigger and acts like a spring/elastic that repeatedly pulls the trigger. From the videos on Youtube it looks very effective and is apparently legal.

I didn't even even know such devices existed.

 

[Kiwiken]

27 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

I'm fine. Australia set the example for you when we banned semi-automatic weapons after Port Arthur over 20 years ago. We haven't had a gun massacre since.

If we want to hunt, we get along fine with bolt-action rifles - which are still permitted in Australia, contrary to the propaganda ravings of your NRA.

Semi-automatic weapons have only one purpose - to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible.It's tragic that innocent people get killed on the altar of the Second Amendment. You guys have gone beyond slow learners, to being incapable of learning.

 

And yet Australia as is New Zealand are awash with semi and automatic weapons?

[OMGImInPattaya]

9 hours ago, bazza73 said:

Strange, I don't see the dedicated defenders of the Second Amendment on this thread. But then, what could they say?

That would be because this is a very pro-gun confiscation forum, maybe due to the prevalence of European and Australian members, and views/posts to the contrary are not appreciated nor allowed.

[julietx]

the shooter looked like the type of american expat you see in thailand...... thank god those wackjobs can't bring their weapons here

[OMGImInPattaya]

30 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

I'm fine. Australia set the example for you when we banned semi-automatic weapons after Port Arthur over 20 years ago. We haven't had a gun massacre since.

If we want to hunt, we get along fine with bolt-action rifles - which are still permitted in Australia, contrary to the propaganda ravings of your NRA.

Semi-automatic weapons have only one purpose - to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible.It's tragic that innocent people get killed on the altar of the Second Amendment. You guys have gone beyond slow learners, to being incapable of learning.

 

I rest my case.

[bazza73]

6 minutes ago, Kiwiken said:

And yet Australia as is New Zealand are awash with semi and automatic weapons?

Get caught with one in Australia, and you are in deep do-do. Furthermore, new laws are coming in defining prohibited persons - it will be a mandatory 10 years jail then.

[notmyself]

Now is not the time to talk about gun regulation.

[Blackheart1916]

30 minutes ago, Kiwiken said:

And yet Australia as is New Zealand are awash with semi and automatic weapons?

Not sure about NZ, but Australia "awash"? Pure garbage.

[bazza73]

6 minutes ago, notmyself said:

Now is not the time to talk about gun regulation.

Oh? Why not?

[Blackheart1916]

6 minutes ago, notmyself said:

Now is not the time to talk about gun regulation.

With respect, I would have thought this is the perfect time ?

[chrisinth]

6 hours ago, tonray said:

BTW...the authorities have cleared his GF because they contacted her and she is out of the country at the time.

 

IMO that is a very rash statement from the authorities and I personally wouldn't believe that for a minute, that she is cleared.

 

Of course pure speculation, based on the convert theory after the ISIS claims, the authorities would need to do a complete background check on this lady, her religious followings, circumstances of her being abroad (she was earlier stated as being an employee of the hotel), etc, etc before being cleared by simply contacting her.

[notmyself]

1 minute ago, bazza73 said:

Oh? Why not?

 

It will make the gun lobby angry.

[notmyself]

1 minute ago, Blackheart1916 said:

With respect, I would have thought this is the perfect time ?

Another quoted reply. Sorry.... 1-2 before this

 

[bazza73]

1 minute ago, notmyself said:

 

It will make the gun lobby angry.

Or perhaps it interrupts them from washing the blood off their hands.

[FreddieRoyle]

1 minute ago, chrisinth said:

 

IMO that is a very rash statement from the authorities and I personally wouldn't believe that for a minute, that she is cleared.

 

Of course pure speculation, based on the convert theory after the ISIS claims, the authorities would need to do a complete background check on this lady, her religious followings, circumstances of her being abroad (she was earlier stated as being an employee of the hotel), etc, etc before being cleared by simply contacting her.

knowing the incredible/exponential recent growth of isis and isis affiliated groups in the Phillipines, his having a Phillipina gf would be even more reason to thoroughly scrutinize a possible isis link to the shooter- even more so if she is from southern Mindanao. Lets keep open minds here, and wait for credible info to become available.

[notmyself]

Just now, bazza73 said:

Or perhaps it interrupts them from washing the blood off their hands.

 

Not sure they care.

[stevenl]

3 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

knowing the incredible/exponential recent growth of isis and isis affiliated groups in the Phillipines, his having a Phillipina gf would be even more reason to thoroughly scrutinize a possible isis link to the shooter- even more so if she is from southern Mindanao. Lets keep open minds here, and wait for credible info to become available.

Yes, open minds would be good.