New unedited footage shows British pensioner taking machete swipe at Thai man

[amvet]

46 minutes ago, tingtongtourist said:

Thats funny. Who gets hacked up?

 

The Brit use the machette as a defence to NOT get his head kicked in. Thats the way i saw it.

 

If you look ( the video not good)

even though the Brit has the mid, the Thai lunges at him, then he Brit backs away and takes a few chops off the back of the car.

 

He clearly has no intention to harm to the person..and at least he show some restraint

 

Unlike ...errrrr some others

that would have no second thought about using the machette and making a bit of farang yang

 

1.30 something happens that is cut out of video
2.40 old guy gets out of car gets machete out of back and runs to car in front
where driver is still in car.
2.45 young guy gets out of car
2.49 young guy gets back into his car
2.51 old guy starts whacking white car with machete then returns to his car.
2.56 young guy gets out of car
2.58 old guy returns to young guys car and tries to cut head off of young guy.
3.28 old guy returns to his car and tries to run over young guy but instead of going under the wheels the young guy is tossed in the air by the impact.

 

To sum up.  Old guy tried to whack the young guys head off and battered his car with a machete and then tried to run him over. 

 

I would dispute the headlines as the video is obviously edited at elapsed time 1.30 and something is cut out.  Easy to see by looking at the buildings to the right of the cars as they jump to a new location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 24, 2017 by amvet

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, greenchair said:

My neighbour drove his car right into me all on video. You see the guy walk to the car and drive it across the road right into me. 

The judge said, we do not know what the driver was thinking at the time so we cannot prove his intention was to hit me or frighten me. 

The charge in the case was assault with a weapon. 

Attempted murder is pathetic. 

Blimey what a coincidence. You've been arguing the case against tempted murder for the old bloke for ages and now suddenly you've had a similar thing happen to you in the past. Who would of thought it. 

 

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, amvet said:

1.30 something happens that is cut out of video
2.40 old guy gets out of car gets machete out of back and runs to car in front
where driver is still in car.
2.45 young guy gets out of car
2.49 young guy gets back into his car
2.51 old guy starts whacking white car with machete then returns to his car.
2.56 young guy gets out of car
2.58 old guy returns to young guys car and tries to cut head off of young guy.
3.28 old guy returns to his car and tries to run over young guy but instead of going under the wheels the young guy is tossed in the air by the impact.

 

To sum up.  Old guy tried to whack the young guys head off and battered his car with a machete and then tried to run him over. 

 

I would dispute the headlines as the video is obviously edited at elapsed time 1.30 and something is cut out.  Easy to see by looking at the buildings to the right of the cars as they jump to a new location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

"2.58 old guy returns to young guys car and tries to cut head off of young guy."

That's rubbish.

3.28 old guy returns to his car and tries to run over young guy but instead of going under the wheels the young guy is tossed in the air by the impact.

That's over-egged.

[amvet]

19 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

"2.58 old guy returns to young guys car and tries to cut head off of young guy."

That's rubbish.

3.28 old guy returns to his car and tries to run over young guy but instead of going under the wheels the young guy is tossed in the air by the impact.

That's over-egged.

Exactly 3.02 elapsed time the old gentleman tries to cute the head of the younger fellow and at 3.25 he tries to kill him by running him down. 

 

Not only me you are calling a liar but Mr. Rooster from Thai Visa also who writes,   " The British man takes several swipes at the Brio and at one point can clearly be seen aiming a machete swipe at the head of the Thai man. ....the Thai man can be seen turning back to his own vehicle when he is run down and somersaulted into the air "

[myfriendu]

30 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

That didn't happen though. 

 

The cowardly Thai thug appears to swerve into and ram the auld fellas car, then repeatedly attempts to impede him from continuing. The auld fella seems as if he fears for his safety.

 

You can see the auld fella trying to get past the Thai coward on several occasions only to be blocked by him looking for a confrontation. 

 

Even when the auld fella is back in his car after waving the machete about the Thai coward is out of his car again looking to continue the confrontation, jumping on the car bonnet. 

 

He then follows the auld fella all the way to the school then to the where he mounts a cowardly assault in full view of children. 

 

This is the behaviour of an animal. Someone looking for trouble. 

 

It is so clear who the instigator is here. The Thai guy started it, then continued it. 

 

 

Got to agree with you, the old guy only protecting himself from that thug ,if it was a farang his own age the thai would have just driven off and got his gang of mates like the cowards always do here, the old man will get fleeced thats what happens here we all know that to be true, like it or not.    

[NanLaew]

34 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

The auld fella seems as if he fears for his safety.

...the old idiot is so fearful for his own safety, he gets out of the completely safe little cocoon of his car, walks around the back, gets the machete out and walks past his own car towards the other car and waves it about before swatting the other car with it... and he does this all because he fears for his own safety.

 

Yeah right.

[myfriendu]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

...the old idiot is so fearful for his own safety, he gets out of the completely safe little cocoon of his car, walks around the back, gets the machete out and walks past his own car towards the other car and waves it about before swatting the other car with it... and he does this all because he fears for his own safety.

 

Yeah right.

Thats how most  see it guys 77 year old ,normal thai road rage 

[DurianBreath]

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

...the old idiot is so fearful for his own safety, he gets out of the completely safe little cocoon of his car, walks around the back, gets the machete out and walks past his own car towards the other car and waves it about before swatting the other car with it... and he does this all because he fears for his own safety.

 

Yeah right.

Ever heard of a pre-emptive strike...?

[amvet]

3 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

That didn't happen though. 

 

The cowardly Thai thug appears to swerve into and ram the auld fellas car, then repeatedly attempts to impede him from continuing. The auld fella seems as if he fears for his safety.

 

You can see the auld fella trying to get past the Thai coward on several occasions only to be blocked by him looking for a confrontation. 

 

Even when the auld fella is back in his car after waving the machete about the Thai coward is out of his car again looking to continue the confrontation, jumping on the car bonnet. 

 

He then follows the auld fella all the way to the school then to the where he mounts a cowardly assault in full view of children. 

 

This is the behaviour of an animal. Someone looking for trouble. 

 

It is so clear who the instigator is here. The Thai guy started it, then continued it.

I realize you are trying to plan a legitimate defense for the old fella but you are going at in the wrong way.  At time markers 3.02 and 3.25 the old fella tries to kill the Thai man.  Any court is going to see that because the video is quite clear.  My suggestion would be to find out what was cut out at 1.30

in the tape and then try to convince the court that British and Australians have no anger management skills and normally attack people who bump into them in traffic with deadly weapons.  See if the court buys it's outback or British normal behavior.  You might want to bring up how most quarrels in Edinburgh are settled with knives.   Tell em about the Glasgow smile and it is quite a common manner in the UK.  Best advice is justifiable homicide.  You can keep repeating that a banana is an apple but the tape is just to darn real.  It's an eyewitness that can just play over and over till the facts are clear to even the dullest jurist. 

[amvet]

3 hours ago, DurianBreath said:

Ever heard of a pre-emptive strike...?

Like the Japanese did at Pearl Harbor.  How'd that work out?  Didn't they hang ToJo for that? 

[mommysboy]

The alleged machete attack around 3 min. mark doesn't show anything definitive.  We really can not say there was a blow aimed at the Thai.  What seems to happen for me is that the old git feigns a charge to ward off the young twit, then merely swipes at the car, which has been the object of the attack throughout.  In the video it is impossible to judge distance, and the quality is poor.

 

In some jurisdictions the mere fact that a potentially deadly weapon is being wielded in a grievous way might support a charge of attempted murder, but there would have to be supporting evidence as to premeditation to kill, or indeed strong evidence of intent.

 

Nobody can reasonably say there is any intent.  The law requires guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.

Edited October 24, 2017 by mommysboy

[tingtongtourist]

7 hours ago, amvet said:

1.30 something happens that is cut out of video
2.40 old guy gets out of car gets machete out of back and runs to car in front
where driver is still in car.
2.45 young guy gets out of car
2.49 young guy gets back into his car
2.51 old guy starts whacking white car with machete then returns to his car.
2.56 young guy gets out of car
2.58 old guy returns to young guys car and tries to cut head off of young guy.
3.28 old guy returns to his car and tries to run over young guy but instead of going under the wheels the young guy is tossed in the air by the impact.

 

To sum up.  Old guy tried to whack the young guys head off and battered his car with a machete and then tried to run him over. 

 

I would dispute the headlines as the video is obviously edited at elapsed time 1.30 and something is cut out.  Easy to see by looking at the buildings to the right of the cars as they jump to a new location.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No offence, but your post does reminds me about when they make a movie from a true story but have to add some extra stuff to make it more interesting.

 

In the case of your post maybe you should advise " the above is based on real events"

Lol

 

 

[amvet]

19 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

What a load of utter and absolute nonsense you have posted. 

Wonder why the judge got 200,000 bail.  Your debating skills lead to flaming you know?  When instead of making a point or counter point you start calling names it's the same as throwing in the towel.  

 

1.30 something happens that is cut out of video
2.40 old guy gets out of car gets machete out of back and runs to car in front
where driver is still in car.
2.45 young guy gets out of car
2.49 young guy gets back into his car
2.51 old guy starts whacking white car with machete then returns to his car.
2.56 young guy gets out of car
2.58 old guy returns to young guys car and tries to cut head off of young guy.
3.28 old guy returns to his car and tries to run over young guy but instead of going under the wheels the young guy is tossed in the air by the impact.

 

What in the above did you find not accurate?

[Darron]

2 hours ago, amvet said:

What in the above did you find not accurate?

People see what they want to see. Posters here will say the swipe wasn't aimed at the Thai guy's head, yet will say that the Thai guy faked getting hit by the car and jumped into the windscreen to scam the old guy.

[amvet]

2 hours ago, Darron said:

People see what they want to see. Posters here will say the swipe wasn't aimed at the Thai guy's head, yet will say that the Thai guy faked getting hit by the car and jumped into the windscreen to scam the old guy.

Did the Thai guy grab the machete and hit his own car too?

[Jip99]

11 minutes ago, amvet said:

Did the Thai guy grab the machete and hit his own car too?

 

 

Yeah,    I saw that as well.....

[jenny2017]

On 10/24/2017 at 8:52 PM, mommysboy said:

The alleged machete attack around 3 min. mark doesn't show anything definitive.  We really can not say there was a blow aimed at the Thai.  What seems to happen for me is that the old git feigns a charge to ward off the young twit, then merely swipes at the car, which has been the object of the attack throughout.  In the video it is impossible to judge distance, and the quality is poor.

 

In some jurisdictions the mere fact that a potentially deadly weapon is being wielded in a grievous way might support a charge of attempted murder, but there would have to be supporting evidence as to premeditation to kill, or indeed strong evidence of intent.

 

Nobody can reasonably say there is any intent.  The law requires guilt beyond all reasonable doubt.

Nobody can reasonably say there is any intent.  If you can't see any intent, please go and see an optician. 

 

  What should be a discussion turns out to be a hate post against the involved Thai man, who's clearly NOT at fault. All posters who write something about the truth, or facts end up with egg in the face by you and another poster. It's too obvious that you're doing all to make the older Brit's criminal acts to something that isn't harmful.

 

But it's insane that such people are allowed to drive on Thailand's roads, if they can't control their anger. The same older man should not only spend some time to think all through, he should be deported right afterwards and blacklisted. Others, who're trying to live here in LOS got blacklisted for less offenses. 

 

  The Thai could easily be in a wheelchair now, or suffer of any other serious injuries, caused by the "friendly expat." I won't post any links about drivers who're using their cars as weapons and how the courts see that. Please Google Deliberate 'accidents' - when cars are used as weapons !!

   

You might be a relative, or a friend of the older "gentlemen" ( it's not an advertisement for British culture at all), but please do not change the facts. It's so obvious and it's not only me alone who could clearly identify the older Brit/ Aussie man who attacked the Thai with a machete ( please see the damage at the Thai's car), but that wasn't enough and he even tops it with trying to use his car as a deadly weapon.

 

Please do not play that down in a way that it looks like the Thai was jumping on the car, it's easy to see that the Thai guy could fortunately see when the Brit's car approached him, before he got rolled over.

 

  Calling the Thai man a "twit" and trying to change the facts in a way that's got nothing to do with what's actually  happened, isn't fair to the Thai guy who had all rights to hit the older man. Would you be thankful if somebody would do that to you?

 

The older Brit is totally insane and it's just not fair to write negative things about the Thai guy. We're all only guests in this country and we should respect their culture. If not, it's easy to go to an airport and fly out to a destination of your choice. We're living in a free world. Thank you very much for your kind consideration. G'day. 

 

  

Edited October 25, 2017 by jenny2017

[jenny2017]

41 minutes ago, amvet said:

Did the Thai guy grab the machete and hit his own car too?

Not long and certain posters will come up with an suicide attempt with a machete the Thai had in his car.......

[jenny2017]

6 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

Eh, are you from Planet Earth?

 

The Thai guy is clearly the instigator from the start and then continues to seek confrontation all the way to the school.

 

You have gone troppo love, time for a wee lie down and a glass of cold water. 

I've already realised that you're one of the guys who're holding the Brit/Aussie's hands. I've watched the films, looked at the photos and formed my opinion, like so many others on here.

 

    Did the Thai guy swing a machete and did the Thai guy try to roll over the Brit//Aussie? He should be given a few months before deportation, because such a behaviour isn't normal.

 

  He seems to be a walking danger and would do similar things again. Sad is that he's got a young child who's got to experience such anger attacks perhaps too often. 

[jenny2017]

23 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

The Thai is seen swerving into the auld fella's car on numerous occasions, then starts the entire altercation by preventing the auld fella from driving on. This is clear and indisputable. 

 

Good that you mention the Thai had his wife and child in the car, he could have driven away at any time but he was looking for a fight. 

 

What the Thai coward didn't count on was the auld fella getting out the chopper and making him lose face in front of his mate.

 

The Thai then continues to altercate, following the auld fella all the way to his daughter's school, where he mounts a cowardly attack on an unarmed old man in front of children.

 

Despicable. 

 

That's the truth love, much as you don't want to admit it. 

Are you the old fellow's lawyer? 

[amvet]

7 hours ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

The Thai is seen swerving into the auld fella's car on numerous occasions, then starts the entire altercation by preventing the auld fella from driving on. This is clear and indisputable. 

 

Good that you mention the Thai had his wife and child in the car, he could have driven away at any time but he was looking for a fight. 

 

What the Thai coward didn't count on was the auld fella getting out the chopper and making him lose face in front of his mate.

 

The Thai then continues to altercate, following the auld fella all the way to his daughter's school, where he mounts a cowardly attack on an unarmed old man in front of children.

 

Despicable. 

 

That's the truth love, much as you don't want to admit it. 

How much bond did the Thai man have to post?  How much bond did the Farang have to post?  Who attacked with a deadly weapon?  Elapsed time  in the video 2.40 the old man has room to flee instead grabs a machete and attacks the Thai man and his car.  See photo with machete strikes above.

[notamember]

all this conjecture about missing footage

anyone who knows on board car cameras knows that they do, not record continuously

they record in segments of a set duration

the record duration can usually be set to 1,3,or 5 minutes

when it reaches its time limit, its stops recording , saves the segment then continues recording 

this is why it appears that something is missing.

Its just the camera doing its work, nothing more sinister than that

[amvet]

1 hour ago, notamember said:

all this conjecture about missing footage

anyone who knows on board car cameras knows that they do, not record continuously

they record in segments of a set duration

the record duration can usually be set to 1,3,or 5 minutes

when it reaches its time limit, its stops recording , saves the segment then continues recording 

this is why it appears that something is missing.

Its just the camera doing its work, nothing more sinister than that

When that happens what does the elapsed time counter do?

[Rimmer]

A post has been removed, can we talk about the topic and not other posters please

[myfriendu]

6 hours ago, amvet said:

How much bond did the Thai man have to post?  How much bond did the Farang have to post?  Who attacked with a deadly weapon?  Elapsed time  in the video 2.40 the old man has room to flee instead grabs a machete and attacks the Thai man and his car.  See photo with machete strikes above.

That is normal here, case wont go to court, he wont be going to jail , you need to wise up to how things work here.   

[Rimmer]

Another off topic post has been removed, stay on topic!

[amvet]

48 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said:

What has that got to do with the price of fish?

 

The videos clearly show the Thai man as the aggressor, initiating the confrontation by ramming into the auld fella's car and preventing him passing.

 

He bit off more than he could chew when the auld fella pulls out the chopper, hence the continued aggression then final cowardly, sneak-punch attack, revealing his true colours.

 

He could have driven off at any time. 

That's what I thought the old fella could have just driven off instead he stopped got a deadly weapon out of his car and started beating on the Thai mans car.  No wonder the court got so much bail from the old fella and none from the Thai man. 

[amvet]

Simple assault hitting with a fist is usually a misdemeanor.  Aggravated assault (with a machete) is usually a felony.  Hence the difference of bail. 

Edited October 31, 2017 by Rimmer

[Rimmer]

Some off topic bickering posts and replies have been removed

[Eloquent pilgrim]

On 21/10/2017 at 4:07 AM, Russell17au said:

Many people on here are questioning why the Brit was carrying a machete in his car. Yesterday I was ready a story about how farangs are treated different to Thai's and one of the items was about a vehicle accident. A pick up broke down and the driver was at the front of the car with the bonnet up and a young couple ran into the rear of the car in broad daylight and both of them were seriously injured and at the time there were no charges laid over the accident but a couple of days later one of those injured died and the police then charged the car drive for the accident because he did not use Thai triangles to warn other road uses. Thai triangles are not like we have in Australia which are reflective triangles, Thai triangles are pieces of branches with leaves on. Now I carry a machete in my car because if I breakdown then I can use Thai triangles as protection from accidents. Maybe this is why the Brit was carrying a machete

Oh, that explains it. He probably just mistook the Thai guy for a tree and wanted to make a ‘Thai Triangle’ from 3 of his limbs 

 

Thanks for the insight, I assume therefore that it must be a legal requirement in Thailand to carry a machete in your car, because without one how can you ever make a ‘Thai Triangle’ from branches ……. or, of course, from human limbs, depending on your mood ✌️✌️