How to solve computer problems?

[GreytMan]

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

What's it to ya, man? Or to me? Anybody congratulating you? Worried about that?

 

<snipped>

 

Gosh, another long post. I hope you don't mind that I couldn't be bothered to read it.

This thread doesn't appear to have any purpose other than OneMoreFarang and yourself to pat each other on the back. You don't appear to have actually achieved anything, other than some very long winded posts.

Am I wrong?

[GreytMan]

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

Asking here would be a start. We do have recommendations from time to time from satisfied users. Living in Pattaya, for example, I know of a tech with a great reputation, educated, and quite skillful--he's been mentioned here more than once. Specifying the task to be done, once one knows what it is exactly, really helps a lot too. 'Course you may need to stand and watch, LOL. 

 

 

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I've seen someone ask here and they were told by OneMoreFarang to

 

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Just go to a computer center and ask for a specialist. And be prepared to pay him

 

So clearly the theory and practice don't match. 

What if the person doesn't live in Pattaya? 

The full extent of the knowledge of this board is where to find a repairer?

 

I contribute a fair bit to varied technical forums. I have no wish to get into a pissing contest with you. You seem to prefer to argue rather than to ever concede that most of what you are writing is little more than childish nonsense.

 

I'm off to the gym.

 

 

 

 

[JSixpack]

9 minutes ago, GreytMan said:

 

Gosh, another long post. I hope you don't mind that I couldn't be bothered to read it.

 

 

Oh, you read every word of it. It's in little snippets to make easier for you. Your sneers and "points" had been thoroughly refuted and you had no cogent responses to make so you simply gave up. My sympathies. Maybe you can post something helpful in the future.

 

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This thread doesn't appear to have any purpose other than OneMoreFarang and yourself to pat each other on the back. You don't appear to have actually achieved anything, other than some very long winded posts.

Am I wrong?

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As usual. You can read the OP to determine the purpose of the thread. The topic managed to be discussed slightly amid the derailment by attacks on the poster and irrelevant references to some other thread. And you've arrived at another self-serving but false assumption: that a thread must accomplish something. If that were true, we'd have no more beloved TVF. Often we're just kickin' around a football. Why's that bother you? Somebody forcing you to come here?

 

 

[OneMoreFarang]

21 minutes ago, GreytMan said:

 

Gosh, another long post. I hope you don't mind that I couldn't be bothered to read it.

This thread doesn't appear to have any purpose other than OneMoreFarang and yourself to pat each other on the back. You don't appear to have actually achieved anything, other than some very long winded posts.

Am I wrong?

@GreytMan Would you accept the answer that you are wrong?

You tell us you don't read other people's comment but you criticize them. Yeah, what a great attitude.

If you would have read at least the first post in this thread then you would know what the thread is about. And if you want to contribute with your knowledge then please do it. And if you are not able or willing to contribute then maybe it's best if you just don't post anything and just read. Or just skip this thread completely. You don't have to read and contribute to every thread. But if you want to write something then at least have the curtsey to read the thread before you write anything.

[GreytMan]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

@GreytMan Would you accept the answer that you are wrong?

You tell us you don't read other people's comment but you criticize them. Yeah, what a great attitude.

If you would have read at least the first post in this thread then you would know what the thread is about. And if you want to contribute with your knowledge then please do it. And if you are not able or willing to contribute then maybe it's best if you just don't post anything and just read. Or just skip this thread completely. You don't have to read and contribute to every thread. But if you want to write something then at least have the curtsey to read the thread before you write anything.

 

I did look at the first post.

Just redirects to other websites and a fair bit of unnecessary waffle.

Why do you think it is deserving of a 'sticky'?

Is it because there is no one with demonstrable skills that is able to solve issues here?

Are you speaking for everyone or just you and JSixpack?

Seems to be just you two here. You telling people to find a local computer technician to install Windows 10 or to head to Superuser and JSixpack, seems to like to write a lot about anything. Regardless of whether on-topic or not.

 

Just my observations.

 

 

This thread seems to state that they way to fix computer problems is to go to another website and ask there.

Erm.....really? We needed a thread for that?

 

 

 

[metisdead]

Troll posts have been removed as well as the replies. 

[Rimmer]

A post has been removed, please discuss the topic not other posters, thank you.

[yooper]

On 11/7/2017 at 5:54 AM, MaeJoMTB said:

I have windows 7 install-able from a USB stick. Plug it in, boot from USB, and it's done.

Just add the mobo and graphics card drivers after.

 

Can't imagine any techie does it any other way (with whatever windows version they like).

I am currently carrying a spare hard drive in case of a drive failure (a recent happening)  All my laptops are e-bay refurbs or off-lease. With a system image on my shock-proof extermal usb drive and a system restore DVD, a new hard disk can be quickly restored over a usb3 external drive. I know that some folks have problems with this but if you have a replacement drive with the same geometry as the installed drive there should never be a problem.... at least with Win7 Pro, my only config these days.  I got started with computers in the days of cp/m, did some assembly programming on the first Atari consoles running the Motorola 6502 with a really neat graphics array processor. Attended a roll-out presentation of the first generation IBM XT. Oh, the memories.

 

[smedly]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 7:52 PM, jenny2017 said:

I had to find the right driver for an older DELL that the company couldn't come up with. Neither their website, nor Microsoft technicians were able to solve the driver problem. But I found a driver for a Lenovo that had the same specs and it worked.

 

   So much to your 20 minutes jobs. In very few cases is it the Power supply, be it a PC, or a notebook, a completely wrong information. "Software problems is usually a virus"? I hope that you know the difference between a Trojan horse, a file infecting virus, and a dropper?

 

  The most common hardware problems in my opinion are problems with the memory card slot connection, easily to fix with a rubber, aeeh an eraser. 

 

  Software problems are often homemade by users who believe that two Anti virus systems are better than one. Some programs just don't work together and a couple of free programs, often offered here as the super solution are CCleaner, free AVG, and other crap, I'd never put on my machines.

 

  You've shown your knowledge about computers with your sentence "Laptops aren't generally worth fixing."

 

  It's not the easiest way to erase the hard drive and re install. Anybody with a little bit knowledge would tell you to backup the system once it's running well and keep on making images, stored on an external drive.

 

  While you're still busy with your reinstall, i boot my machine with a bootable memory drive with Macrium, or Aomei Backupper on and restore my system with all my beloved programs on within 30 minutes.

 

  Thank you for your time and consideration. 

  

let me guess - the free fall sensor

[Scott]

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[guzzi850m2]

When I had a PC made to specs, I got heaps of good info from TV members here.

I know enough about computers to filter off bad advices in most cases and my PC is running just fine, thank you very much.

By the way, I love my free CC cleaner

[Ron19]

Two off topic / bickering posts have been removed.

[metisdead]

A number of off topic bickering posts and replies have been removed.  Another post containing a music video has been removed, if you feel the need to post your music video which you are listening to, you can post it here:  

 

If You'Re Listening To Music Now... Whats Playing? 4

 

 

[GreytMan]

OK, so it seems that we can have a normal discussion about the technicalities. Hopefully without resorting to childish insults.

 

There appears to be an emphasis on not running a clean install of Windows, no matter what. with some members appearing to pour ridicule on anyone who chooses to do so.

 

So let us discuss this;

 

From what read in the Reinstalling Windows 10 thread, the install was a cracked activation by a local technician and from what the OP told, never worked properly from the beginning.

 

So this appears to be a prime candidate for a clean install of Windows from a known source.

Otherwise you would need to examine exactly what was installed by the technician and also how it was installed.

Yet there appears to be active resistance to this, not from the OP, who requested it, but from contributors.

 

Incidentally, the OP didn't appear to respond to any questions concerning his device. So didn't help himself either.

It is an older machine with a BIOS or newer with a UEFI?

Did the technician make some elementary mistakes with the install?

What is the specification of the machine? Maybe it was a single core Celeron. Perhaps too little RAM.

All of these issues were completely ignored.

In fact most of the early discussion ignored the performance of the laptop itself and centred on an external HDD and the media player.

No interest in the very basic questions.

 

So, for me, that is how to not to solve computer problems.

To that end, there was no resolution.

 

Once again. my experience is having done this hundreds if not more than a thousand times online.

 

The form is always that people post details of the device as a starting point.

A novice might not understand certain details are key, but the experts should.

So why were these simple questions so roundly ignored by the experts on that thread?

 

Again, I would appreciate a reasoned discussion, rather than childish retorts and attempted insults.

 

Keeping the subject title in mind.

We are not discussing whether someone should re-install Windows every year, but why the resistance to a clean install of an obviously dodgy and poorly performing install.

 

Why was the specification of the machine itself not important to most of the contributors on that thread?

[smedly]

54 minutes ago, GreytMan said:

OK, so it seems that we can have a normal discussion about the technicalities. Hopefully without resorting to childish insults.

 

There appears to be an emphasis on not running a clean install of Windows, no matter what. with some members appearing to pour ridicule on anyone who chooses to do so.

 

So let us discuss this;

 

From what read in the Reinstalling Windows 10 thread, the install was a cracked activation by a local technician and from what the OP told, never worked properly from the beginning.

 

So this appears to be a prime candidate for a clean install of Windows from a known source.

Otherwise you would need to examine exactly what was installed by the technician and also how it was installed.

Yet there appears to be active resistance to this, not from the OP, who requested it, but from contributors.

 

Incidentally, the OP didn't appear to respond to any questions concerning his device. So didn't help himself either.

It is an older machine with a BIOS or newer with a UEFI?

Did the technician make some elementary mistakes with the install?

What is the specification of the machine? Maybe it was a single core Celeron. Perhaps too little RAM.

All of these issues were completely ignored.

In fact most of the early discussion ignored the performance of the laptop itself and centred on an external HDD and the media player.

No interest in the very basic questions.

 

So, for me, that is how to not to solve computer problems.

To that end, there was no resolution.

 

Once again. my experience is having done this hundreds if not more than a thousand times online.

 

The form is always that people post details of the device as a starting point.

A novice might not understand certain details are key, but the experts should.

So why were these simple questions so roundly ignored by the experts on that thread?

 

Again, I would appreciate a reasoned discussion, rather than childish retorts and attempted insults.

 

Keeping the subject title in mind.

We are not discussing whether someone should re-install Windows every year, but why the resistance to a clean install of an obviously dodgy and poorly performing install.

 

Why was the specification of the machine itself not important to most of the contributors on that thread?

exactly 100% correct and the first question I asked when posting here - make and model of the machine

 

as for installing windows 10, it is a very easy task for none technical people so no issue there

 

and as for trying to run with a none standard or illegal copy of windows ........ well that is asking for trouble right there

 

bloat ? what bloat, most of the mentioned "bloat" are small files on a drive that take up little space, the bloat is when you start installing/running - cleaners - 3rd party AV - media players - codec packs - browsers etc etc etc that are generally not needed on a win 10 machine and can do more harm than good 

 

When I occasionally help someone fix their defunct machine the first thing I do is uninstall all the crap that someone told them to install or they installed after reading poor advice that they should...................that is the bloat right there, nonsense unnecessary garbage

Edited November 12, 2017 by smedly

[Ron19]

There have been many bickering posts and answers to them removed and reports  made for the simple reason that two people differed in their opinions The report button is not there for that reason so expect a holiday if this continues.

[JSixpack]

On 11/12/2017 at 4:38 PM, GreytMan said:

OK, so it seems that we can have a normal discussion about the technicalities. Hopefully without resorting to childish insults.

 

There appears to be an emphasis on not running a clean install of Windows, no matter what. with some members appearing to pour ridicule on anyone who chooses to do so.

 

So let us discuss this;

 

From what read in the Reinstalling Windows 10 thread, the install was a cracked activation by a local technician and from what the OP told, never worked properly from the beginning.

 

So this appears to be a prime candidate for a clean install of Windows from a known source.

Otherwise you would need to examine exactly what was installed by the technician and also how it was installed.

Yet there appears to be active resistance to this, not from the OP, who requested it, but from contributors.

 

Incidentally, the OP didn't appear to respond to any questions concerning his device. So didn't help himself either.

It is an older machine with a BIOS or newer with a UEFI?

Did the technician make some elementary mistakes with the install?

What is the specification of the machine? Maybe it was a single core Celeron. Perhaps too little RAM.

All of these issues were completely ignored.

In fact most of the early discussion ignored the performance of the laptop itself and centred on an external HDD and the media player.

No interest in the very basic questions.

 

So, for me, that is how to not to solve computer problems.

To that end, there was no resolution.

 

Once again. my experience is having done this hundreds if not more than a thousand times online.

 

The form is always that people post details of the device as a starting point.

A novice might not understand certain details are key, but the experts should.

So why were these simple questions so roundly ignored by the experts on that thread?

 

Again, I would appreciate a reasoned discussion, rather than childish retorts and attempted insults.

 

Keeping the subject title in mind.

We are not discussing whether someone should re-install Windows every year, but why the resistance to a clean install of an obviously dodgy and poorly performing install.

 

Why was the specification of the machine itself not important to most of the contributors on that thread?

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This is all off-topic. The OP merely asks this question:

 

On 11/7/2017 at 11:22 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

Maybe other readers know other good websites which they want to recommend.

 

To which only I and jenny2017 responded, early on.

 

Moreover, all your issues in this post and wrong assumptions have already been discussed and answered in the other thread that you continue to want to discuss here. No point in repeating here as you can just go read them there. Cheers!

Edited November 14, 2017 by JSixpack

[GreytMan]

1 hour ago, JSixpack said:

 

This is all off-topic. The OP merely asks this question:

 

 

To which only I and jenny2017 responded, early on.

 

Moreover, all your issues in this post and wrong assumptions have already been discussed and answered in the other thread that you continue to want to discuss here. No point in repeating here as you can just go read them there. Cheers!

 

 

No, this thread asks "How to solve computer problems?".

So I am happy to discuss how to solve them. Wholly on-topic.

 

I disagree with the premise of automatically sending people off to other websites to look for a solution.

I would prefer to keep it within this IT and Computer forum, unless a solution cannot be provided here.

Otherwise, what is the point of this branch?

 

I don't want a re-run of the other thread, where you dragged the thread off topic and peppered your replies with barely disguised attempts at insults.

The OP has long gone from that thread, with no help whatsoever and the thread totally hijacked with silly arguments about bloat, amongst other things.

Absolutely nothing to do with the OP in that thread issues, since we still don't know anything about his or her device.

 

It's ok if you don't wish to discuss the mistakes and wrong assumptions you made in the Reinstalling Windows 10 thread. But that leaves the possibility that without learning and accepting that you made mistakes, that you may make them all over again.

 

I think the Reinstalling Windows 10 thread was a very good illustration of how to not solve a computer problem.

Discussion of which could have greatly contributed the knowledge bank of "How to solve computer problems?"

 

The approach appeared to simply spends days patching everything up, regardless of the possible issues with the initial install.

There was the general assumption, with the exception of jamjar and jenny2017, that there was nothing wrong with the install and that the model of laptop was not important, from the very beginning.

 

These are glaring mistakes and wrong assumptions on the path to solving a computer problem.

 

So  no wonder it lead to this thread "How to solve computer problems?" 

 

So I think that answer is to admit past mistakes and learn from them, rather than trying to keep up the pretence of being never wrong and knowing more than everyone else because you are in receipt of newsletters from the likes of AnandTech et al.

 

It didn't help in the Reinstalling Windows 10 thread.

 

Instead, why not work together on the forum? Pooling knowledge, discussing concepts.

Instead of insisting that the brand name and model of the device was not important, why not ask why it is thought to be important and then work in parallel. Complimenting each other.

 

So these, as I see it, are steps to be taken in "How to solve a computer problem?".

 

 

 

 

 

[ubonjoe]

This topic seems to of run its course after numerous reports about the bickering and baiting that has gone on.

Topic now