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'Kiss of death' to two-state solution if Jerusalem declared Israel capital: PLO envoy

By Yara Bayoumy

 

FILE PHOTO: The Dome of the Rock, the Western Wall and the Mughrabi Gate entrance to the compound known to Muslims as al-Haram al-Sharif, and to Jews as Temple Mount, are seen in Jerusalem's Old City March 7, 2011. REUTERS/Baz Ratner/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A formal U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel would be the "kiss of death" to the two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Palestine Liberation Organization's chief representative in Washington said on Monday.

 

"Should such a step be taken, it would have catastrophic consequences," Husam Zomlot told Reuters in an interview.

 

"That would be actually the kiss of death to the two-state solution because Jerusalem is at the very heart of the two-state solution," Zomlot said.

 

A senior administration official told Reuters last week that U.S. President Donald Trump would likely make the announcement on Wednesday, although his adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, said the president had not yet made a final decision.

 

Such a declaration would break with decades of U.S. policy and could fuel violence in the Middle East.

 

Past U.S. presidents have insisted that the status of Jerusalem - home to sites holy to the Jewish, Muslim and Christian religions - must be decided in negotiations between the two sides.

 

"Should the two-state solution receive that final lethal blow, then the main reaction from us will be strategic and political because we are not going to be engaged in an empty process," Zomlot said.

 

Israeli officials have made clear they would welcome U.S. endorsement of their claim of sovereignty over all of Jerusalem. There was no immediate comment from the Israeli government to Zomlot's comments.

 

Israel captured Arab East Jerusalem in the 1967 Middle East war. It later annexed it, declaring the whole of the city as its capital - a move not recognised internationally. Palestinians want East Jerusalem as the capital of their future state.

 

Kushner is leading Trump's efforts to restart long-stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, efforts that so far have shown little progress.

 

Zomlot warned the role of the United States as a mediator in the conflict would be effectively torpedoed if Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

 

"It will be a self-inflicted disqualification of the U.S. from the role of the mediator ... (which) will be irreversible because by then the U.S. would be part of the problem, not part of the solution," he said.

 

Trump suggested earlier this year he was open to new ways to achieve Middle East peace that did not necessarily entail the creation of a Palestinian state, a hallmark of U.S. policy for decades.

 

Trump is again expected to delay moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv, U.S. officials said on Friday, speaking on condition of anonymity.

 

Saudi Arabia's ambassador to Washington, Prince Khalid bin Salman, said on Monday that any U.S. announcement on the status of Jerusalem before a final settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict would harm the peace process and increase regional tensions.

 

Jordan, the Arab League and Turkey have also warned against the dangers of such a move.

 

(Reporting by Yara Bayoumy; Editing by Peter Cooney)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2017-12-05

[binjalin]

Hope Trump has the balls to ignore the Zionist lobby.

[MyFriend You]

It has been suggested to make it a UN Zone like the Sanai - this way no one owns it........I like the American Indians solution - You fish on your side, I'll fish on my side and no one fishes in the middle...........might work??  (NAH!! not in that region)

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[Jingthing]

9 hours ago, binjalin said:

Hope Trump has the balls to ignore the Zionist lobby.

Zionist lobby?

You mean like J street that is AGAINST this declaration?

Dude, there isn't one "Zionist" lobby with one unified view on issues.

Clearly J street which represents the views of a huge percentage of American Jews does NOT support a unilateral announcement as the clown troll fake "president" is threatening. NEGOTIATIONS are needed first. 

 

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Jerusalem’s ultimate status and Borders should be negotiated and resolved as part of an agreement between official Israeli and Palestinian authorities and endorsed by both peoples.

J Street believes that Israel’s capital is in Jerusalem and will be internationally recognized as such in the context of an agreed two-state solution. We believe that the surest way to achieve that international recognition for the Israeli capital in Jerusalem is through a negotiated and viable two-state solution whereby– as outlined in the Clinton parameters and subsequent discussions between the parties– Jewish areas of Jerusalem are secured as the capital of Israel and Palestinian areas of East Jerusalem become the capital of the future Palestinian state.

 

 

http://jstreet.org/policy/jerusalem/#.WiZc6fmWZPY

Edited December 5, 2017 by Jingthing

[binjalin]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Zionist lobby?

You mean like J street that is AGAINST this declaration?

Dude, there isn't one "Zionist" lobby with one unified view on issues.

Clearly J street which represents the views of a huge percentage of American Jews does NOT support a unilateral announcement as the clown troll fake "president" is threatening. NEGOTIATIONS are needed first. 

 

 

http://jstreet.org/policy/jerusalem/#.WiZc6fmWZPY

Good news! get it done this has been going on long enough?  why can't, as a start, the Zionist's stop nicking land?

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, binjalin said:

Good news! get it done this has been going on long enough?  why can't, as a start, the Zionist's stop nicking land?

I'm offended that you are pushing a huge hateful falsehood that there is only one flavor of Zionist. You need to differentiate. Zionist only means supporting a national homeland where Jews can have political self determination. There is nothing specific about borders in the ideology. 

[binjalin]

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'm offended that you are pushing a huge hateful falsehood that there is only one flavor of Zionist. You need to differentiate. Zionist only means supporting a national homeland where Jews can have political self determination. There is nothing specific about borders in the ideology. 

'offended' eh?  poor PC you

 

Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת‎ Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine).

Wiki

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, binjalin said:

'offended' eh?  poor PC you

 

Zionism (Hebrew: צִיּוֹנוּת‎ Tsiyyonut [t͡sijo̞ˈnut] after Zion) is the national movement of the Jewish people that supports the re-establishment of a Jewish homeland in the territory defined as the historic Land of Israel (roughly corresponding to Canaan, the Holy Land, or the region of Palestine).

Wiki

 

 

 

 

From your link:

 

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Zionism does not have a uniform ideology, but has evolved in a dialogue among a plethora of ideologies: General Zionism, Religious Zionism, Labor Zionism, Revisionist Zionism, Green Zionism, etc.

Also even if you take your quote literally (I don't) note it does NOT specify SPECIFIC BORDERS for a national state homeland. It says IN. It doesn't say ALL.

My point really is that many people that identify as pro Zionist in the pure sense do NOT support expanding settlements in the west bank and do NOT support unilateral declarations about Jerusalem before NEGOTIATION.

Thus I find the narrative you're pushing to be false, ignorant, and hateful. 

[Morch]

10 hours ago, binjalin said:

Hope Trump has the balls to ignore the Zionist lobby.

 

I should think this is more to do with the Evangelist "lobby". But guess some posters can sing only one tune.

[Morch]

While "kiss of death" sounds very theatrical, the actual relevance would depend on how such a hypothetical statement by Trump would be phrased. Many of the two-state formulations refer to Jerusalem being divided, one way or another, between Israelis and Palestinians. So if Trump was to acknowledge Israel's claim in vague terms, or with caveats which pertain to the Palestinian claim, it wouldn't be quite the same as a wholesale association of Jerusalem with Israel alone. Granted, despite insistent claims, the President does not actually have the "best words", and isn't too good keeping to scripts, so who knows what he's gonna say.

[Jingthing]

 
I should think this is more to do with the Evangelist "lobby". But guess some posters can sing only one tune.

Yep the demonize Zionism and Israel tune which is so often thinly veiled cover for demonizing Jews in general.

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[Briggsy]

The current Israeli administration and the Trump administration seem to be the only ones in favour of this idea.

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Briggsy said:

The current Israeli administration and the Trump administration seem to be the only ones in favour of this idea.

 

And not even all them that make either "administration".

[Jingthing]

 

And not even all them that make either "administration".

I've heard one rationalization is that this pronouncement or threat to pronounce it will supposedly pressure the Palestinians to negotiate. If so that seems like magical thinking and also perhaps a manifestation of trump's supposed mastery of the art of the deal.

 

Fart of the deal more like.

 

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[Morch]

22 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I've heard one rationalization is that this pronouncement or threat to pronounce it will supposedly pressure the Palestinians to negotiate. If so that seems like magical thinking and also perhaps a manifestation of trump's supposed mastery of the art of the deal.

 

Fart of the deal more like.

 

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It could be, he seems to be fond of engaging this way. Doubt this specific gambit would work, as the issue is way too loaded. Other stuff he could pull - threatening to close the Palestinian mission in DC, withholding funds and whatnot. But this....is Sparta.

[Jingthing]

 
It could be, he seems to be fond of engaging this way. Doubt this specific gambit would work, as the issue is way too loaded. Other stuff he could pull - threatening to close the Palestinian mission in DC, withholding funds and whatnot. But this....is Sparta.

It's hard to believe much less accept that man is president.

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[Scott]

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[Senechal]

11 hours ago, binjalin said:

Good news! get it done this has been going on long enough?  why can't, as a start, the Zionist's stop nicking land?

 

Yeah okay. I suppose we could give them all their land in Germany, Poland, Austria, Italy, (etc) back.  

 

Who nicked whose stuff again? LOL. 

 

I hear property values in Berlin have appreciated quite nicely :D

 

 

 

Edited December 5, 2017 by Senechal