Diabetes / Bread Choices &/or Alternatives ???

[moonseeker]

Dear all:

 

Need advise on the controversial subject "bread with diabetes", please. 

Any bread at all? What kind of bread? Where to buy? How much for breakfast or snack? Per day?

Any ideas for alternatives or homemade?

I am starving here :-(....55555

 

A great THANK YOU for any feedback and MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR to everybody.   MS>

 

Done in Pattaya-Forum, as probably best chance to find local sourced breads and plenty old helpful  guys with diabetes :-(

 

 

 

[InMyShadow]

Thailand is not diabetic friendly.
Rule of thumb for diabetics is if it's white dont bite

Your far better off on a keto diet (atkins)

[moonseeker]

Ooppppssssss......does not look good for me......

 

https://diabetesmealplans.com/6038/what-kind-of-bread-is-best-for-diabetics/

 

MS>

[sirineou]

 Years ago I read the "South beach diet"  a lot of good info there concerning the glycemic content of food. If you are not familiar with it it might be a good read for you.

[champers]

Brown rice, pasta and bread. Thai brown bread is loaded with sugar. Find your local German bread stockist.

[dpdp]

Forget any carbs as bread, rice and pasta, you don't need them anyway.

 

 

[balo]

German or Scandinavian bakeries, they make bread without sugar.

[Kaoboi Bebobp]

I remember buying the Cubic brand of whole wheat bread (Friendship, Villa) with low GI. Ingredient description on wrapper is entirely in English. 

[FracturedRabbit]

Google "keto bread" and make your own.

[bkk6060]

Sorry:  with Diabetes?  You need to have a stronger mind...

Fill up with meat and veggies you will not be starving.

Have a diet Coke or Equal in a Cappuccino and it will satisfy your carb needs.

Good luck.

[tropo]

On 12/25/2017 at 7:09 AM, dpdp said:

Forget any carbs as bread, rice and pasta, you don't need them anyway.

 

 

It's not as simple as that. Eating complex carbs is human nature and cutting them out is going against nature. If you cut them out entirely, good luck with keeping it up. Eventually, your body will crave them. If you consume them in moderate quantities you'll be a much happier camper over the long run.

 

This would lead to an interesting dilemma. Would you prefer to consume complex carbs moderately and take medication to help control blood sugar or go on an extremely restrictive diet forever in the hope you won't need medicine or that you can reduce it. Your choice.

 

The most important thing to consider is the quantity of carbs you consume per meal, rather than their glycemic index. It doesn't make much difference if you consume white or brown bread, white or brown rice. If the white variety of either causes extreme spikes, so will the other. Regarding rice - brown rice contains much more arsenic. For the small difference either will make to blood sugar levels you're probably better off with white rice.

 

Keep the serves small, and most importantly, test your response to all your different meals to get an idea of how high your blood sugar spikes. Timing can make a big difference too. For example, if you partake in vigorous exercise you'll probably find you can handle quite a decent serve of carbs after your workout, whereas at other times the same meal will cause big spikes. After intense workouts, your blood sugar gets absorbed by the depleted muscles. This is called carb loading.

 

In answer to the OP's question. It won't matter much what bread you consume. Each person will respond differently depending on their level of diabetes or insulin resistance. Test, test, and test again.

[tropo]

@Moonseeker

 

I should have asked you to define what you mean by "diabetes". In general, this could mean Type 1 (insulin dependent), Type 2 (adult onset - insulin resistance), Type 1.5 (both) or pre-diabetes. You need to be more specific.

 

What diabetes do you have? How do you control it? Are you taking medication? Perhaps you're trying to control pre-diabetes or moderate Type 2 diabetes through diet and exercise?

 

[dpdp]

There are some carbs in everything that we eat, so why adding a lot more by eating rice, bread and pasta ?!

(of course it's difference for people running marathon...)

 

[moonseeker]

Thank you all for your feedback. I am Type 2, caused in part by lousy nutrition...and some tough cancer therapy. Very active and fit and now almost fully understanding the subject. Was bit confused initially with many good sites having contradictions in their Infos. Seems clear now that the recommendations have been doing a 180 and most now recommend a very balanced diet that includes carbs and very low amounts of sugar. I have been doing an almost zero carbs, sugat for 2 weeks now, but will slowly adjust to a very low carb one. Really miss my fantastic bread and fruit juice every day. Not a gourmet, so can live with a limited diet. Anyway, the cancer will kill me before diabetes ever gets serious. But trying to stay fit as long as I can. Thx. to all and happy new year... MS>

[Roger Lee]

1 hour ago, moonseeker said:

Thank you all for your feedback. I am Type 2, caused in part by lousy nutrition...and some tough cancer therapy. Very active and fit and now almost fully understanding the subject. Was bit confused initially with many good sites having contradictions in their Infos. Seems clear now that the recommendations have been doing a 180 and most now recommend a very balanced diet that includes carbs and very low amounts of sugar. I have been doing an almost zero carbs, sugat for 2 weeks now, but will slowly adjust to a very low carb one. Really miss my fantastic bread and fruit juice every day. Not a gourmet, so can live with a limited diet. Anyway, the cancer will kill me before diabetes ever gets serious. But trying to stay fit as long as I can. Thx. to all and happy new year... MS>

I would go talk to the German owner of Back Fabrik, 2nd Rd Jomtien between the two clusters of Jomtien Beach Condo.

 

BACK-FABRIK
350/76-78 Jomtien Sai Song Muang Pattaya, อำเภอ บางละมุง ชลบุรี 20150, Thailand
+66 61 642 6575
https://goo.gl/maps/bxgwaURkWr82

http://www.back-fabrik.com/

 

The owner is slim guy about 6’ tall, also speaks English and is friendly and receptive when spoken to.  I’m sure he knows more about baking bread than anyone I know and can at least advise you about the sugar content of his finished products.

 

[tropo]

17 hours ago, moonseeker said:

Thank you all for your feedback. I am Type 2, caused in part by lousy nutrition...and some tough cancer therapy. Very active and fit and now almost fully understanding the subject. Was bit confused initially with many good sites having contradictions in their Infos. Seems clear now that the recommendations have been doing a 180 and most now recommend a very balanced diet that includes carbs and very low amounts of sugar. I have been doing an almost zero carbs, sugat for 2 weeks now, but will slowly adjust to a very low carb one. Really miss my fantastic bread and fruit juice every day. Not a gourmet, so can live with a limited diet. Anyway, the cancer will kill me before diabetes ever gets serious. But trying to stay fit as long as I can. Thx. to all and happy new year... MS>

I'd like to clear up a few points. You mentioned that you are Type 2 and it's caused in part by lousy nutrition. Diabetes is extremely hard to define if you're in the early stages. For example, if I keep my food under tight control and exercise a lot, I would be classified as normal by any conventional testing that a doctor would do, so, if my levels are showing as normal, how can I be diabetic? How can a disease be defined by what I eat? Give me a few weeks on a high carb diet with no exercise and the same doctor would classify me as pre-diabetic or possibly even diabetic. In the last month, I've had FBS's in the 90's and also in the 120's (mg/dl). Certainly, one isolated test is rather useless. An HbA1c test will be more useful. I was very sick about 12 years ago and my FBS's were in the mid-200's.

 

Diabetes of the Type 2 variety is really a resistance to insulin, whereas the Type 1 variety is a non or low production of insulin. The Type 2 variety may slowly deteriorate over the years, but mine hasn't gotten any worse in 12 years and I don't tightly control my carb intake (as I sit here having just eaten 7 chocolates LOL the wife keeps buying them because it's Christmastime). I'll have to do some more research on this (and thanks for the motivation to make me study further), but I believe from a bit of information I've received, that insulin resistance can become worse if carbs are highly restricted. Your body "forgets" how to handle them because you're not consuming them. Perhaps my insistence to always eat complex carbs has slowed down my insulin resistance. Personally, I would not spend the rest of my life not consuming carbs and would take medicine if it comes to that. I believe the most important thing is exercise because through exercise you're forcing your body to deal with carbs and reducing insulin resistance. Lucky for me I've always exercised, so it's not a sacrifice. I'm not talking about a slow walk in the park, but high-intensity cardio and resistance training.

 

Here's a little personal story which may interest you. A lot of people think they eat their way to diabetes. They feel that poor food choice over their lifetime has brought on this disease. This is what many medical professionals want people to believe. They believe that being overweight causes diabetes. It's a way of shaming people who are overweight with diabetes and I believe it's very wrong. They never consider that diabetes may have caused them to be overweight in the first place. It's a bit like the "fly on garbage" anecdote. You see the fly on the garbage, but it didn't make the garbage.

 

I have insulin resistance (pre-diabetes) despite living my younger life as a health nut. I was always very concerned about my health and ate as healthily as I knew how. I always kept fit too.

 

I took my glucometer to the Philippines a few years ago and tested all of my wife's family. They have an atrocious diet and eat mountains of rice EVERY day. We have a rice farm, so they have sacks of it to eat all year round. I'm talking about huge serves of white rice 2 - 3 times a day, 365 days a year. Most of us know that white rice is virtually sugar to the body as it spikes a diabetics blood sugar sky high.

 

To my amazement, ALL of the family members had normal FBS levels, in the 70's, 80's and 90's (mg/dL). That's including my wife's parents in their late 40's and early 50's. They all had better FBS levels than me and my white rice intake is very moderate by comparison. I would eat maybe 1/5 of what they would consume at a meal. Some of these family members are overweight (and proud of it). If one followed the conventional dogma one would predict all or most of them would be at the very least pre-diabetic (FBS from 100 - 126 mg/dL), but they were ALL normal. I might add that they also consume quite a bit of Coca-Cola (or Pepsi) too, and will eat candies at any given opportunity. They are also very fond of white sliced bread, which is always very sweet in the Philippines.

 

Go figure!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[balo]

Maybe its the genes that protect them ? They could get other diseases if they are overweight .  

But my personal opinion is it always help to eat healthy , and do daily exercises. A cake or a daily rice dish is not a problem . 

 

 

 

[tropo]

13 minutes ago, balo said:

Maybe its the genes that protect them ? They could get other diseases if they are overweight .  

But my personal opinion is it always help to eat healthy , and do daily exercises. A cake or a daily rice dish is not a problem . 

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Maybe one day they will develop Type 2 diabetes. Diabetes is not uncommon there, but the problem is that these days people are convinced you eat your way to diabetes by making bad choices. There are plenty of skinny diabetics and fat people with normal blood sugar.

 

 

[bendejo]

Interesting thread here.

 

I was diagnosed with Type 2 several years ago.  I probably had it for a year before that, at least.  My blood glucose was 400, a1c was 12.  (My apologies to the Brits here, you guys have a different blood-glucose measuring system which I haven't put any energy into figuring out conversions).  I immediately studied up on this and altered my diet, and in 3 months a1c was down to 7, and since then hasn't been above 6.5. 

Of course I've wondered what caused it, I believe it was mainly being too sedentary.  I thought my diet was fairly balanced, but I've never been big on veggies.

Yeah, you need carbs for fuel, 180 grams/day seems a good maximum (in my case anyway) but choose wisely: a cup of brown rice or a small bag of potato chips?  A half-cup of ice cream usually comes in around 20g of carbs.  Like the OP I really miss baked goods.  Maybe once a month I'll take an extra pill and go a little off-script.  After sugar, wheat is among the most carb-contentious things out there. One (1) slice of cheese pizza is 60g, app. the carb allotment for a full meal.  Never thought I'd see the day when I would look back with longing on putting away a half a pie in one sitting...

 

I exaggerate only slightly when I say I've eaten more veggies in the past 2 years than I have in the previous 65.  Fiber fiber fiber, and enough water to keep it moving.  

I didn't even know what these thing actually were until this happened and I had to dig up my own information.

 

Those of us of a certain age will recall that before Viagra came along there were always those discrete little ads in the back pages of magazines offering things that do it's job.  Now the hucksters are on about diabetes cures and so on.  Do a web search on the topic and you'll get web pages that redirect to the same site.  Mike Huckabee shills for one of these sham 'cure pills' which has led a certain political commentator in the US (who has revealed he has Type 2) as The Huckster.

 

Avoid info from the American Diabetes Association.  I first noticed that there is a big gap in their diabetes information as opposed to foods and products they recommend, which had me very confused.  I then came across an article someone wrote condemning them for this, and I no longer had to worry that I was going crazy (well, in that respect anyway ).  I don't do social media, but I've heard there has been a lot of condemnation of the ADA about this.

 

 

[BritManToo]

On 12/24/2017 at 8:07 PM, moonseeker said:

Any bread at all? What kind of bread?

Make your own, then you can choose what goes into it.

Bread machines from Lazada (Clarte) from 2,000bht.

[LongTimeLurker]

On 12/27/2017 at 7:05 AM, moonseeker said:

Really miss my fantastic bread

Villa carries low carb Mexican style breads (flat taco type)

[thedemon]

Most low GI (Keto) breads are made from either almond or coconut flour. There are plenty of youtube videos on the subject. Just search "keto bread".

 

This place bakes some and does deliveries in BKK: Sunshine Market