SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

19 minutes ago, juice777 said:

There is no Debate now He is clearly a raving lunatic.

The lunatic is the one releasing chemical weapons on innocent women and children hiding underground in an attempt to survive the bombing going on overhead.

You clearly haven't seen any of the Douma videos and pictures. They are absolutely sickening.

I dont agree with Trumps stupid tweet but dont lose focus on whats happening in Syria. Its insanity over there.

juice777 · April 11, 2018

The lunatic is the one releasing chemical weapons on innocent women and children hiding underground in an attempt to survive the bombing going on overhead.

You clearly haven't seen any of the Douma videos and pictures. They are absolutely sickening.

I dont agree with Trumps stupid tweet but dont lose focus on whats happening in Syria. Its insanity over there.

You are right about that no doubt but this the American president it's absolutely surreal.HE CAN NOT DO THE JOB AND NEVER COULD.

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Andaman Al · April 11, 2018

5 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Yet you replied.

Anyone who "chats" with 3 star generals wouldn't be posting on this flea-bag forum with people like me anyway.

There is literally no way a serving 3 star general would talk about Trump or policies to you, and if you were talking to 3 stars, you wouldn't be posting about it on here.

OPSEC is serious business to military personnel.

Now I don't agree with Trumps tweet at all, but your post is a bunch of baloney.

I replied to give you some purpose.

I did a full career as a pilot, the guy I used to get drunk with every night in training and whilst facing the great Bear stayed in 20 years longer than me and as a result climbed to the top of the tree. OPSEC is important, but you have no idea how we communicate! I have extensive business interests and both of us communicate on very expensive secure equipment. You think 3 stars would not diss Trump? No not to the MSM but to a mate?

Why would anyone who chats with 3 stars not be on here? (What a strange statement - that 3 star used to be an irresponsible junior officer like 99% of the others). Do you have ANY idea of the back grounds of some of the people who are on here? Some members of this forum have led truly remarkable lives. As for being on a "flea-bag forum', we all have our roots and despite the huge success I had in business I am no different and never abandoned my friends from my early life. Up until the age of 18 my family did not have a pot to piss in, never had a car and mother used to burn our old shoes in winter when she couldn't afford coal - true. From the age of 12 I was self sufficient as a pot and pan washer at a country hotel 14 hrs a day at the weekends. I don't need your advocacy or your judgement I have sacrificed many things in my life but never my integrity. Agreeing Trump is an ass on the phone with a mate who happens to be at the top of his game is not compromising OPSEC and we are clever enough and able enough to do it on a system that is totally secure (because one of my businesses sells it).

This is not a flea-bag forum I think it happens to be a useful place to convene for many and it happens to have members from all walks of life, some of whom are truly remarkable. Your forum 'character' may be obtuse when offering your opinion but there is no need for you to treat other people like that.

Andaman Al · April 11, 2018

20 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

The lunatic is the one releasing chemical weapons on innocent women and children hiding underground in an attempt to survive the bombing going on overhead.

You clearly haven't seen any of the Douma videos and pictures. They are absolutely sickening.

I dont agree with Trumps stupid tweet but dont lose focus on whats happening in Syria. Its insanity over there.

Take a DEEP look at an organisation called the White Helmets. They are the ones that always just happen to be there when a chemical weapon strike takes place. They are an 'NGO' that are paid hundreds of millions of dollars to provide a 'rescue service'. Look at who represents them, dig deep, find out what money they get and try and answer the questions that will emerge from your head.

There are MANY interest groups who do NOT want any form of peace or resolution in Syria. Some people are making too much money. I have just given one. Before you hit back on auto fire, take a good deep look at what I have said and some of the surrounding groups. It makes NO sense for Assad to use these weapons, it makes every sense for some others to use them.

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

31 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

Take a DEEP look at an organisation called the White Helmets. They are the ones that always just happen to be there when a chemical weapon strike takes place. They are an 'NGO' that are paid hundreds of millions of dollars to provide a 'rescue service'. Look at who represents them, dig deep, find out what money they get and try and answer the questions that will emerge from your head.

There are MANY interest groups who do NOT want any form of peace or resolution in Syria. Some people are making too much money. I have just given one. Before you hit back on auto fire, take a good deep look at what I have said and some of the surrounding groups. It makes NO sense for Assad to use these weapons, it makes every sense for some others to use them.

And literally NONE of those interest groups are Trump.

EVENKEEL · April 11, 2018

Why if Putin has Trump in his hip pocket or similar comments made on here by the intelligent left leaning posters is Trump coming out so strong against Russia? You can't have it both ways.

Jingthing · April 11, 2018

2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why if Putin has Trump in his hip pocket or similar comments made on here by the intelligent left leaning posters is Trump coming out so strong against Russia? You can't have it both ways.

I'll ignore your silly defense of "trump" but it's interesting that in his recent tweet, his rage at democrats and republicans which he implies are democrats but aren't that are involved in the Russia investigation seems to greatly exceed his rage at Putin. Fishy, as usual.

EVENKEEL · April 11, 2018

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I'll ignore your silly defense of "trump" but it's interesting that in his recent tweet, his rage at democrats and republicans which he implies are democrats but aren't that are involved in the Russia investigation seems to greatly exceed his rage at Putin. Fishy, as usual.

Not intended to be a defense so much as an observation. In the future please try not to make your comments personal.

Edited April 11, 2018 by EVENKEEL

heybruce · April 11, 2018

35 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Why if Putin has Trump in his hip pocket or similar comments made on here by the intelligent left leaning posters is Trump coming out so strong against Russia? You can't have it both ways.

I always considered it much more likely that Trump wanted to use the Presidency to facilitate lucrative deals with Russia than that Russia had compromising information on him. Of course I never ruled out the possibility that both were true.

Perhaps Trump has reluctantly decided that he will have to find other ways to profit from the Presidency, in addition to those he is already using.

heybruce · April 11, 2018

2 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Yet you replied.

Anyone who "chats" with 3 star generals wouldn't be posting on this flea-bag forum with people like me anyway.

There is literally no way a serving 3 star general would talk about Trump or policies to you, and if you were talking to 3 stars, you wouldn't be posting about it on here.

OPSEC is serious business to military personnel.

Now I don't agree with Trumps tweet at all, but your post is a bunch of baloney.

Three star generals, and everyone else with high security clearances, have friends and routinely have unclassified conversations. They are also aloud to have and discuss personal political views, though active duty officers in the US military are not allowed to publicly campaign for political candidates or publicly disagree with administration policy.

Do you think that people with clearances are kept completely isolated from the rest of society?

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I always considered it much more likely that Trump wanted to use the Presidency to facilitate lucrative deals with Russia than that Russia had compromising information on him. Of course I never ruled out the possibility that both were true.

And clearly never ruled out that neither were true.

Personally I dont want to have a problem with Russia. Russia is the only country aside from China that could honestly put up a fight against the USA. China wouldn't because they are money driven. Putin & Russians are extremely patriotic & well equipped and dont give a sh*t.

But as to the first part, you certainly, from what I've seen of you post on here, didn't see any problem with HRC's financial bias/ties.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

6 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Three star generals, and everyone else with high security clearances, have friends and routinely have unclassified conversations. They are also aloud to have and discuss personal political views, though active duty officers in the US military are not allowed to publicly campaign for political candidates or publicly disagree with administration policy.

Do you think that people with clearances are kept completely isolated from the rest of society?

Nope, but I would bet a years wages that they aren't talking to Andaman Al.

Ive never placed a bet on anything other than a gentleman's wager amongst friends over who's "right or wrong" about something stupid, but I would bet a years wages that Mr. British Al isn't talking to a serving 3 star general over secure comms about trump.

Ive seen him post several whoppers in this thread.

heybruce · April 11, 2018

16 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

And clearly never ruled out that neither were true.

Personally I dont want to have a problem with Russia. Russia is the only country aside from China that could honestly put up a fight against the USA. China wouldn't because they are money driven. Putin & Russians are extremely patriotic & well equipped and dont give a sh*t.

But as to the first part, you certainly, from what I've seen of you post on here, didn't see any problem with HRC's financial bias/ties.

Just pointing out the hypocrisy.

You are correct, I never thought for a moment that Trump wasn't interested in the Presidency for any reason other than ego and personal gain.

Did HRC try to open a Clinton Tower in Moscow? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-real-connection-trump-russia-110539486.html

Did HRC refuse to make her tax records public?

Is there any financial bias/tie of HRC that was not investigated and found to be above board?

Edited April 11, 2018 by heybruce

Skywalker69 · April 11, 2018

46 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Not intended to be a defense so much as an observation. In the future please try not to make your comments personal.

I think Trump needs Russia to help him with his economy.

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Did HRC try to open a Clinton Tower in Moscow? https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-real-connection-trump-russia-110539486.html

Did HRC refuse to make her tax records public?

Is there any financial bias/tie of HRC that was not investigated and found to be above board?

Is there anything wrong with a real estate developer trying to open real estate in Russia?

Is refusing to make your tax records public a crime?

Are we going to sit around here and act like just because they didnt find any evidence of HRC's wrongdoing, that she is completely innocent? Because that sure as sh*t seems like you are digging an even bigger hypocrisy grave to me, in regards to trump.

You have your mind completely made up about Trump, and thats certainly your right, but you're also a blatant hypocrite for ignoring HRC's lifetime of politics and experience in making sure there isn't any dirt to be found.

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

12 minutes ago, heybruce said:

You are correct, I never thought for a moment that Trump wasn't interested in the Presidency for any reason other than ego and personal gain.

Show me a modern president, hell, any modern politician who isn't in it for those exact reasons.

HRC is the epitome of what you just posted, yet you have not a single issue with it.

That hypocrisy thing again, Bruce. You keep doing it.

lannarebirth · April 11, 2018

12 minutes ago, Skywalker69 said:

I think Trump needs Russia to help him with his economy.

ECONOMIC PROJECTIONS FOR CY 2018

(As of April 2018)

REAL GDP GROWTH (Q4/Q4)	3.3%
INFLATION (PCE Price Index, Q4/Q4)	1.8%
UNEMPLOYMENT RATE (Q4)	3.5%
INTEREST RATE (3-Month Treasury Bills)	1.9%

BUDGET PROJECTIONS FOR FY 2018

(As of April 2018)

OUTLAYS	$4.1 Trillion
REVENUES	$3.3 Trillion
DEFICIT	$804 Billion
DEBT HELD BY THE PUBLIC (End of Fiscal Year)	$15.7 Trillion

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

3 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

ECONOMIC PROJECTIONS FOR CY 2018

(As of April 2018)

REAL GDP GROWTH (Q4/Q4)

3.3%

INFLATION (PCE Price Index, Q4/Q4)

1.8%

UNEMPLOYMENT RATE (Q4)

3.5%

INTEREST RATE (3-Month Treasury Bills)

1.9%

BUDGET PROJECTIONS FOR FY 2018

(As of April 2018)

OUTLAYS

$4.1 Trillion

REVENUES

$3.3 Trillion

DEFICIT

$804 Billion

DEBT HELD BY THE PUBLIC (End of Fiscal Year)

$15.7 Trillion

Im not a mathematician or a deficit hawk but those numbers look pretty good to me.

Although I'm sure some pseudo-intellectuals will put down their 5th thesis for the year and tell me how I'm wrong here on Thaivisa.

lannarebirth · April 11, 2018

2 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Im not a mathematician or a deficit hawk but those numbers look pretty good to me.

Although I'm sure some pseudo-intellectuals will put down their 5th thesis for the year and tell me how I'm wrong here on Thaivisa.

The very best case scenario given the CBO's revised 10 year projection is that growth accelerates at such a high rate that Debt/GDP ratios decline, while absolute debt increases at a diminishing rate. Anything less than best case means ever increasing deficits that hamper growth not only in the short term but for many many years to come.

heybruce · April 11, 2018

12 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Im not a mathematician or a deficit hawk but those numbers look pretty good to me.

Although I'm sure some pseudo-intellectuals will put down their 5th thesis for the year and tell me how I'm wrong here on Thaivisa.

$804 billion deficit this fiscal year, projected to exceed one trillion for all projected years after that.

heybruce · April 11, 2018

38 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Is there anything wrong with a real estate developer trying to open real estate in Russia?

Is refusing to make your tax records public a crime?

Are we going to sit around here and act like just because they didnt find any evidence of HRC's wrongdoing, that she is completely innocent? Because that sure as sh*t seems like you are digging an even bigger hypocrisy grave to me, in regards to trump.

You have your mind completely made up about Trump, and thats certainly your right, but you're also a blatant hypocrite for ignoring HRC's lifetime of politics and experience in making sure there isn't any dirt to be found.

"Is there anything wrong with a real estate developer trying to open real estate in Russia?"

The real estate developer was trying to develop real estate in Russia while campaigning on a "Let's be friends with Russia" platform and ignoring Russia's occupation of Ukraine. It may not be illegal, but it sure is suspicious.

"Is refusing to make your tax records public a crime?"

It defies a convention going back decades, and in view of the ample possibilities for conflicts of interest, it sure looks suspicious.

"Are we going to sit around here and act like just because they didnt find any evidence of HRC's wrongdoing, that she is completely innocent?"

In view of all the investigations that came up empty, yes, she is probably innocent. She certainly looks a lot less suspicious than Trump.

"...ignoring HRC's lifetime of politics and experience..."

I never ignored her lifetime of experience in politics. That is what made her far more qualified to be President than Trump.

33 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Show me a modern president, hell, any modern politician who isn't in it for those exact reasons.

HRC is the epitome of what you just posted, yet you have not a single issue with it.

That hypocrisy thing again, Bruce. You keep doing it.

Show me a modern president, hell, any modern federal politician, who has refused to make his or her tax records public and has refused to divest or isolate himself or herself from all business interests that could present a conflict of interest. Other than Trump, of course. Show me any politician who could profit more from using his or her office for personal gain as Trump.

No politician is perfect or perfectly clean. But Trump takes incompetence, dirt and lies to a whole new level.

Edited April 11, 2018 by heybruce

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

15 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

The very best case scenario given the CBO's revised 10 year projection is that growth accelerates at such a high rate that Debt/GDP ratios decline, while absolute debt increases at a diminishing rate. Anything less than best case means ever increasing deficits that hamper growth not only in the short term but for many many years to come.

9 minutes ago, heybruce said:

$804 billion deficit this fiscal year, projected to exceed one trillion for all projected years after that.

Lets see what the 4th quarter of 2018 into the 1st quarter of 2019 bring.

UncleTouchyFingers · April 11, 2018

My post:

46 minutes ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

but you're also a blatant hypocrite for ignoring HRC's lifetime of politics and experience in making sure there isn't any dirt to be found.

Your quote:

8 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"...ignoring HRC's lifetime of politics and experience..."

I never ignored her lifetime of experience in politics. That is what made her far more qualified to be President than Trump.

You are the reason that the term "fake news" has been coined.

Edited April 11, 2018 by UncleTouchyFingers

Jingthing · April 11, 2018

Will he on won't he?

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What’s so bad about firing Mueller or his bosses? Plenty.

...

Mona Charen, conservative author and one of the directors of the new group Republicans for the Rule of Law, puts it this way: “Thus far, Trump’s assault on republican virtues has been largely rhetorical. That is corrosive and dangerous on its own. But any move to shut down a lawful investigation moves into strongman territory, and threatens the bedrock of America’s constitutional order — the rule of law.” If Republicans nevertheless decide to keep egging the president on, they will encourage Trump to take the single step that would almost certainly end his presidency and stain the GOP’s image for years to come.

Edited April 11, 2018 by Jingthing

Skywalker69 · April 11, 2018

RUSSIA PREPARES FOR NUCLEAR WAR WITH U.S., INSTRUCTING CITIZENS TO BUY WATER AND GAS MASKS

Russian state-owned television is urging the country’s residents to stock their bunkers with water and basic foodstuffs because Moscow could go to war with Washington.

Warning that the potential conflict between the two superpowers would be “catastrophic,” an anchor for Russia’s Vesti 24 showed off shelves of food, recommending that people buy salt, oatmeal and other products that can last a long time on the shelves. Powdered milk lasts five years while sugar and rice can last up to eight years, the newscaster explained before showing videos of pasta cooking in a bomb shelter.

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-prepares-nuclear-war-us-instructing-citizens-buy-water-and-gas-masks-881823

Ron19 · April 11, 2018

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Neeranam · April 11, 2018

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Will he on won't he?

Off topic venting/trolling AGAIN.

Can't you, Skywalker, and Bruce just start a kind of recovery group for bad losers to get over your Trump resentment.

Why are you so DESPERATE to educate us rational thinkers that are willing to give him a chance, as he was after all, voted in democratically.

You have made your point that you don't want him to remain in office. Do we have to hear this cry baby stuff hurt the remainder of that time?

Look at the poll, the majority WANT him to stay for the full term. Why can't you accept this?

You, like all members have had their vote, just like the previous thread with a poll that turned into a "post anything bad about Trump" thread.

Neeranam · April 11, 2018

2 hours ago, Skywalker69 said:

RUSSIA PREPARES FOR NUCLEAR WAR WITH U.S., INSTRUCTING CITIZENS TO BUY WATER AND GAS MASKS

Russian state-owned television is urging the country’s residents to stock their bunkers with water and basic foodstuffs because Moscow could go to war with Washington.

Warning that the potential conflict between the two superpowers would be “catastrophic,” an anchor for Russia’s Vesti 24 showed off shelves of food, recommending that people buy salt, oatmeal and other products that can last a long time on the shelves. Powdered milk lasts five years while sugar and rice can last up to eight years, the newscaster explained before showing videos of pasta cooking in a bomb shelter.

http://www.newsweek.com/russia-prepares-nuclear-war-us-instructing-citizens-buy-water-and-gas-masks-881823

Does this mean you want the president to stay in office or not?

Why post on this thread? We all can read the news, we don't need you to try and brain wash us.

bristolboy · April 12, 2018

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Off topic venting/trolling AGAIN.

Can't you, Skywalker, and Bruce just start a kind of recovery group for bad losers to get over your Trump resentment.

Why are you so DESPERATE to educate us rational thinkers that are willing to give him a chance, as he was after all, voted in democratically.

You have made your point that you don't want him to remain in office. Do we have to hear this cry baby stuff hurt the remainder of that time?

Look at the poll, the majority WANT him to stay for the full term. Why can't you accept this?

You, like all members have had their vote, just like the previous thread with a poll that turned into a "post anything bad about Trump" thread.

You don't have to hear or read anything. Following this thread is not mandatory.

heybruce · April 12, 2018

9 hours ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

Lets see what the 4th quarter of 2018 into the 1st quarter of 2019 bring.

Are you expecting a miracle? It won't happen.

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