SURVEY: Do you want Trump to finish his first term?

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Off topic venting/trolling AGAIN.

Can't you, Skywalker, and Bruce just start a kind of recovery group for bad losers to get over your Trump resentment.

Why are you so DESPERATE to educate us rational thinkers that are willing to give him a chance, as he was after all, voted in democratically.

You have made your point that you don't want him to remain in office. Do we have to hear this cry baby stuff hurt the remainder of that time?

Look at the poll,  the majority WANT him to stay for the full term. Why can't you accept this?

You, like all members have had their vote,  just like the previous thread with a poll that turned into a "post anything bad about Trump" thread.

Why don't you prove you are a rational thinker and debate those who are providing rational reasons why Trump is a threat to the US?   

Why don't you explain to us how exercising our right to freedom of speech and opinion is preventing Trump from doing his job? 

The Bill of Rights exists to allow citizens to hold corrupt and incompetent elected officials to account.  If you don't like that, find another country.  Or at the very least, find another topic, you aren't required to follow this one.

Edited April 12, 2018 by heybruce

[Skywalker69]

7 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Does this mean you want the president to stay in office or not?

Why post on this thread? We all can read the news, we don't need you to try and brain wash us.

[bristolboy]

Well, here' s a good reason to want Trump out. Consider this nomination of his for the judiciary:

Trump federal judicial nominee refuses to say whether she supports racial segregation in schools

Brown v. Wendy Vitter?

A Louisiana lawyer nominated by President Trump for a federal judgeship refused to affirm whether she's opposed to school segregation during a congressional hearing Wednesday.

Wendy Vitter, an outspoken anti-abortion activist and counsel for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans, went before the Senate Judiciary Committee for a confirmation hearing to become the district judge of the Eastern District of Louisiana.

Brown v. Wendy Vitter?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-nominee-won-supports-school-segregation-article-1.3929024

[Andaman Al]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Well, here' s a good reason to want Trump out. Consider this nomination of his for the judiciary:

Trump federal judicial nominee refuses to say whether she supports racial segregation in schools

Brown v. Wendy Vitter?

A Louisiana lawyer nominated by President Trump for a federal judgeship refused to affirm whether she's opposed to school segregation during a congressional hearing Wednesday.

Wendy Vitter, an outspoken anti-abortion activist and counsel for the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New Orleans, went before the Senate Judiciary Committee for a confirmation hearing to become the district judge of the Eastern District of Louisiana.

Brown v. Wendy Vitter?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-nominee-won-supports-school-segregation-article-1.3929024

Top quality candidate from Trump. A top Southern woman.

 

 

 

Obviously Trump and her husband (ex) are probably mates as they have a lot in common. Senator (R) Vitter the Strict Christian  was another one in a big "i have been using prostitutes scandal"!

Edited April 12, 2018 by Andaman Al

[Jingthing]

I don't see how the "trump" presidency doesn't go into a downward spiral now, after the lawyer confiscation. Exactly when it goes down the drain is hard to tell. But it sure looks like that's where it's going now. Surely, even "trump" supporters can see that now, yeah? I get it they will blame other people than the obvious person responsible ("trump") for his downfall, but the end result is the same. 

 

Time magazine cover --

Edited April 12, 2018 by Jingthing

[Andaman Al]

So here is your man, POTUS the experienced businessman the best negotiator, the best deal maker the one that said TPP was a terrible deal for the USA. Y'all tired of all this winning yet? Will those Trump supporters who said how great he was for getting the USA out of TPP like to do a 180 with him and support him now?

 

The Muppets are running the Whitehouse USA.

 

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Trump weighs rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership amid trade dispute with China

 

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President Trump told top administration officials Thursday to look at rejoining the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the multination trade agreement he pulled the United States out of shortly after taking office.

Rejoining the pact would be a major reversal as Trump escalates a trade conflict with China. The Pacific Rim trade deal was intended by the Obama administration as a way to counter China’s influence, but Trump criticized the pact as a candidate and pulled the United States out of the pact in early 2017.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-weighs-rejoining-trans-pacific-partnership/2018/04/12/37d59500-3e71-11e8-8d53-eba0ed2371cc_story.html?utm_term=.58ed4618505a

 

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Trump then told Lighthizer and Kudlow to “take a look at getting us back into that agreement, on our terms of course,” Thune said. “He was very I would say bullish about that.”

  The other 11 countries that went ahead and signed their own deal without the USA will now ensure that the USA get 10 times more of a crapola deal than before. This is so funny it is rib cracking. President Xi will be choking on regurgitated noodles he will be laughing so hard. I bet Kudlow just wishes he was back as a 5 times a week contributor on Fox News (he would have been paid more that's for sure).

 

Just too funny. Even some of his Senators are catching the "I too can talk like a petulant 10 year old" disease.

 

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Sen. Ben Sasse (R-Neb.) also confirmed Trump’s surprise move.

“We should be leading TPP,” Sasse said. “China is a bunch of cheaters and the best way to push back on their cheating would be to be leading all these other rule of law nations in the Pacific that would rather be aligned with the U.S. than with China.”

Well Senator, you and your Republican colleagues should have thought of that BEFORE you allowed Trump to destroy the USA's position as World Leader.

 

The Whitehouse turns to the Jokehouse.

[Jingthing]

The unpopular populist.

 

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And here, I think, is where the Trump nativist, protectionist brand of populism breaks down: Americans just don’t agree with its main tenets. We as a rule are not hateful, don’t fear the world and don’t want government to shrivel up.

It’s hard to be the populist cult leader who delegitimizes opponents when your base shrinks to a fraction of a minority party. The forgotten men and women aren’t forgotten, but they may be ready to kick Trump to the curb.

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/life/Opinion-|-Trump’s-populism-is-very-unpopular.r1UzS0OqNajz.html

[simple1]

5 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

So here is your man, POTUS the experienced businessman the best negotiator, the best deal maker the one that said TPP was a terrible deal for the USA. Y'all tired of all this winning yet? Will those Trump supporters who said how great he was for getting the USA out of TPP like to do a 180 with him and support him now?

 

The Muppets are running the Whitehouse USA.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-weighs-rejoining-trans-pacific-partnership/2018/04/12/37d59500-3e71-11e8-8d53-eba0ed2371cc_story.html?utm_term=.58ed4618505a

 

  The other 11 countries that went ahead and signed their own deal without the USA will now ensure that the USA get 10 times more of a crapola deal than before. This is so funny it is rib cracking. President Xi will be choking on regurgitated noodles he will be laughing so hard. I bet Kudlow just wishes he was back as a 5 times a week contributor on Fox News (he would have been paid more that's for sure).

 

Just too funny. Even some of his Senators are catching the "I too can talk like a petulant 10 year old" disease.

 

Well Senator, you and your Republican colleagues should have thought of that BEFORE you allowed Trump to destroy the USA's position as World Leader.

 

The Whitehouse turns to the Jokehouse.

Likely Trump will no longer be President by the time USA is ready for ratifying TPP-11. In the meantime it would be interesting to read an analysis of the cost of lost opportunity for the US economy due to Trump's prior stupidity.

[bristolboy]

If this doesn't make Trump supporters ex-supporters nothing will

Trump weighs rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership amid trade dispute with China

President Trump ordered top administration officials Thursday to look at rejoining the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the sprawling trade pact he rejected three days after taking office.

The move would mark a stunning reversal for Trump, who sharply criticized the pact as a “disaster” and made opposition to global trade deals a centerpiece of his economic agenda as a candidate.

The Obama administration had inked the trade agreement, known as TPP, with 11 other countries, including Japan, Vietnam, Singapore, and Australia, to lower tariffs and counter China’s influence in the Pacific.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-weighs-rejoining-trans-pacific-partnership/2018/04/12/37d59500-3e71-11e8-8d53-eba0ed2371cc_story.html?utm_term=.31acbc74d83c

[Silurian]

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

If this doesn't make Trump supporters ex-supporters nothing will

Trump weighs rejoining Trans-Pacific Partnership amid trade dispute with China

 

Nah, the Deplorons will just think that it was all part of bargaining and horse trading. Make the other countries sweat and then come in at a later time and save the trading day.

 

[bristolboy]

Just now, Silurian said:

 

Nah, the Deplorons will just think that it was all part of bargaining and horse trading. Make the other countries sweat and then come in at a later time and save the trading day.

 

Given their enthusiastic support when Trump selected Goldman Sachs alumni to run the economy, no doubt you're correct.

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Silurian said:

the Deplorons will just think that [...]

 

Wrong.  The DT fans don't think.

 

Edited April 13, 2018 by bendejo

[Aj Mick]

The sooner The Donald finishes his only foreshortened term, the better. 

[Jingthing]

Another interesting explanation on why the people hurt most by "trump" are among his most loyal supporters. It doesn't make LOGICAL sense of course but that's not the point.

 

SADOPOPULISM! There may be no cure.

 

 

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Pain is the reward: Here’s what pundits keep getting wrong about Trump and his supporters

Trump’s voters are suffering. They still love him. Mainstream journalists lack any understanding of this pathology

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Encouraged by presidential racism, such people could understand their own pain as a sign of still greater pain inflicted upon others. ... such a voter is changing the currency of politics from achievement to suffering, from pain to gain, helping a leader of their choice establish a regime of sadopopulism. Such a voter can believe that he or she has chosen who administers their pain, and can fantasize that this leader will hurt enemies still more. ... If people who support the government expect their reward to be pain, then a democracy based upon policy competition between parties is endangered.

https://www.salon.com/2018/04/13/pain-is-the-reward-heres-what-pundits-keep-getting-wrong-about-trump-and-his-supporters/

Edited April 13, 2018 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

Support for Mueller to finish the job is very overwhelming. "trump" threatens to fire him still though --

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Majority of Americans support Mueller’s probe of Russia, Trump campaign

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/news/Post-ABC-poll--Majority-of-Americans-support-Mueller’s-probe-of-Russia--Trump-campaign.B1eiez0of.html

[Jingthing]

"trump"'s endless LYING isn't working as well anymore. Great news! What took them so long? Well, better later than never. 

 

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As Trump rages at Comey, a new poll shows his lies are failing

The public is recoiling at Trump’s contempt for the rule of law

 

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/life/Opinion-|-As-Trump-rages-at-Comey--a-new-poll-shows-his-lies-are-failing.BkT5SBCjM.html

 

Edited April 13, 2018 by Jingthing

[F4UCorsair]

On 4/11/2018 at 1:52 AM, Jingthing said:

Don't bother crowing unless there is an actual deal.

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Is that like.....don't bother commenting on impeachment or criminal charges until there is actual evidence?

 

I guess not??

[Skywalker69]

Infowars's Alex Jones blasts Trump over airstrikes: 'He's crapping all over us'

 

Infowars founder Alex Jones ripped into President Trump on Friday night after the president authorized military airstrikes in Syria, saying the decision made him "sick."

 

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/383141-infowars-alex-jones-cries-over-trump-airstrikes-hes-crapping

[Jingthing]

The state of the anti-trump resistance. The fact that he isn't impeached or defeated YET does not mean it's failing.

 

http://www.paywallnews.com/life/Opinion-|-The-anti-anti-Trump-cohort-has-a-fatal-flaw-in-its-thinking.SkKKt9y2z.html

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Let’s start with the fact that seems most vexing to the resistance critics: the failure of Trump’s approval rating to fall below 40 percent, even as bad news mounts. To be clear, at 40 percent, Trump remains as unpopular as he was when he was the most unpopular first-year president ever — 20 points below Gerald Ford after he pardoned Richard Nixon. True, Trump has not sunk further in this sub-sub-basement level of public support, but that misses the point: The success of the anti-Trump movement is in keeping him there, notwithstanding the low unemployment rate, stock market gains and billions in tax-cut stimulus surging through the economy.

 

[FreddieRoyle]

At this stage of the thread, are the anti-Trumpers angry at Trump for being too close/colluding with Russia or is the issue Trump being too hard on Russia(you know, seeing as Trump has just invaded a main Russian ally nation), and us being on the cusp of a US/Russia nuclear war thanks to it all. Too much love for Russia, or not enough love for Russia? It is hard to keep up at times. 

[FritsSikkink]

28 minutes ago, FreddieRoyle said:

At this stage of the thread, are the anti-Trumpers angry at Trump for being too close/colluding with Russia or is the issue Trump being too hard on Russia(you know, seeing as Trump has just invaded a main Russian ally nation), and us being on the cusp of a US/Russia nuclear war thanks to it all. Too much love for Russia, or not enough love for Russia? It is hard to keep up at times. 

Why do you love him?

[Johnniey]

On 14/04/2018 at 6:15 AM, F4UCorsair said:

 

Is that like.....don't bother commenting on impeachment or criminal charges until there is actual evidence?

 

I guess not??

It only works one way for those who hate Trump.

 

 

[Johnniey]

Why are people blaming Trump on trying to solve problems caused by Bush lying about Weapons of Mass Destruction. And didn't Clinton bomb Iraq to avoid a sexual scandal?

I'm sick of the USA and their corrupt activities/presidents and war mongering. 

 

Can the Americans see that all their lies and starting of wars has consequences and has led to the imminent fall of their empire. 

 

Trump shouldn't be in office but there is a long list before him who also should have been.

 

[heybruce]

50 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Why are people blaming Trump on trying to solve problems caused by Bush lying about Weapons of Mass Destruction. And didn't Clinton bomb Iraq to avoid a sexual scandal?

I'm sick of the USA and their corrupt activities/presidents and war mongering. 

 

Can the Americans see that all their lies and starting of wars has consequences and has led to the imminent fall of their empire. 

 

Trump shouldn't be in office but there is a long list before him who also should have been.

 

No, Clinton didn't bomb Iraq. 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, FreddieRoyle said:

At this stage of the thread, are the anti-Trumpers angry at Trump for being too close/colluding with Russia or is the issue Trump being too hard on Russia(you know, seeing as Trump has just invaded a main Russian ally nation), and us being on the cusp of a US/Russia nuclear war thanks to it all. Too much love for Russia, or not enough love for Russia? It is hard to keep up at times. 

We're angry with Trump for having no Russia policy, or Syria policy, or any policy.  We're angry at Trump for being corrupt and incompetent.  We're puzzled and disturbed that so many people think it's a good idea to have a clueless reality TV blowhard in the White House.

 

At this stage in the thread how can you not know this?

[Johnniey]

22 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, Clinton didn't bomb Iraq. 

Well that sums up your knowledge of US politics. Have you really never heard of Operation Desert Fox?

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by Johnniey

[heybruce]

8 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

Well that sums up your knowledge of US politics. Have you really never heard of Operation Desert Fox?

 

I stand corrected, Clinton did authorize a four day joint US-UK bombing campaign of Iraq in 1998 for failure to comply with agreements on WMD.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(1998)

 

Compared to the stuff Bush got is into, Desert Fox almost seems like a nonevent.  This was pre-9/11, so Fox News said everything Clinton did militarily was in order to distract from the Lewinski affair.  After 9/11 Fox News said Clinton didn't do enough militarily to prevent the attack.

Edited April 15, 2018 by heybruce

[Johnniey]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I stand corrected, Clinton did authorize a four day joint US-UK bombing campaign of Iraq in 1998 for failure to comply with agreements on WMD.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(1998)

Google is a great source of knowledge.  

 

 

[Johnniey]

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

I stand corrected, Clinton did authorize a four day joint US-UK bombing campaign of Iraq in 1998 for failure to comply with agreements on WMD.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(1998)

 

Compared to the stuff Bush got is into, Desert Fox almost seems like a nonevent.  This was pre-9/11, so Fox News said everything Clinton did militarily was in order to distract from the Lewinski affair.  After 9/11 Fox News said Clinton didn't do enough militarily to prevent the attack.

"Fox news" is nothing to do with "Desert Fox". Just a coincidence in name. 

 

Distraction?  

 

 

Edited April 15, 2018 by Johnniey

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, Johnniey said:

"Fox news" is nothing to do with "Desert Fox". Just a coincidence in name. 

 

Distraction?

No.  Fox News is a consistent critic of all things Clinton, and the source of claims that everything Bill Clinton did was an attempt to distract from the Lewinski affair.  Since you parroted the Fox News line I thought you might be a fan.