Brexit has created chaos in Britain – nobody voted for this

[Khun Han]

8 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

We were a great Empire; we fought and won two world wars; we won the World Cup.

 

Once we get rid of all the foreign Johnnies in the Barclays Premier League, we'll win the World Cup again, you mark my words.

 

And we'll get rid of all those foreign beggars, so that our own beggars can have the streets to themselves, and our spongers can sponge without foreigners sponging all the best bits.  I'm not sure what we'll do for Auxiliary Nurses, when we need a bit of sponging for ourselves, though. 

 

Last time I was in Manchester I didn't actually see any foreign beggars, it was all English blokes, but anyway, I'm sure you understand the principle. 

 

SC

 

Should've gone to Oldham. Do you speak Romanian?

[StreetCowboy]

20 minutes ago, Khun Han said:

 

Should've gone to Oldham. Do you speak Romanian?

Being a beggar in Oldham must be pretty desperate. We need foreigners to take jobs like that, which no British person would do.

 

Mind you, it's Oldham might have changed in the thirty years since I was last there.

[nontabury]

4 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

This has been known for months, if not longer, except the emphasis seems to have changed - rather than TM willingly selling the UK fishing fleet down the river by giving up fishing rights to secure any sop going, as was initially reported, the narrative is now that the big, bad EU is forcing poor Theresa to concede them.

 

And how is this different from her selling out the British consumer and farming industry by lowering the food safety standards that currenty protect us from all the nasties that the US food industry is filled with? Will this also be presented as the big, bad US forcing us to consume unheathy products in an effort to keep our economy afloat?

Reports have come out of Brussels, stateing that in the event of a none agreement, the Bureaucrats will impose restrictions on British airlines flying over Europe, British drivers will no longer be able to drive on European roads.

But it’s not only these tin pot dictators trying to scare us, we now have the CEO of Ryanair threatening that if we don’t capitulate to the demands of the E.U. Then he will ground their aircraft. And you wonder why more and more British people are coming round to the benefits of abandoning the sinking E.U. 

[oldlakey]

3 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Being a beggar in Oldham must be pretty desperate. We need foreigners to take jobs like that, which no British person would do.

 

Mind you, it's Oldham might have changed in the thirty years since I was last there.

Its probably changed alright but not for the better but moves are afoot to sort that out

It will soon be Hunky dory again

[Khun Han]

7 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

Being a beggar in Oldham must be pretty desperate. We need foreigners to take jobs like that, which no British person would do.

 

Mind you, it's Oldham might have changed in the thirty years since I was last there.

 

They tend to just shoplift and pull the street scams. Oldham has probably some of the largest ethnic Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities outside London. If you want some really un-PC views on the recent influx of eastern Europeans, that's where you'll find plenty. Same as with most working class people in working class towns in the area. If you want to hear that it's all a myth (and the Grauniad confirms it), talk to people in Hale, Bowdon, Bramhall and all such areas which haven't had first-hand pleasure of this issue.

[aright]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

You should get over it. many people can see what the EU is like, don't like it and want out. If the EU was so democratic it would allow all countries in a vote but frighten the politicians to avoid it. or when they do have another referendum with project fear (Ireland).

 

The EU is bureaucratic, undemocratic and is planning for the federalization of Europe. One army, one currency, one ruling body, the EU. Old Drunckard has said it himself. If that's what you want then by all means go an live in a country that bends over and takes it. The UK have voted leave. respect the decision (which you clearly haven't) or move.

What you say is true and if you add the EU's economic performance to the mix it makes the leave case even stronger.

The EU's share of world trade has been in steep decline over the past 30 years and our trade with it has followed a similar trend. In economic terms its leaders are yesterdays men. The area of future growth clearly lies in the rest of the world. 

 

 

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

And how are the 'mad cows' going to decide which side of the open border they should be on? The regulations must be the same on both sides and that can only happen in one of 2 ways and neither is what the mad cow is proposing.

Apologies, but you did mention cows and boarders.

A friend in our small village has a farm, on which live a number of cows. Her fathers owns another farm in the village, also with cows.Now to show how stupid some E.U rules are, there are occasions when they will move a cow from her fathers field to an adjacent field, that belongs to his daughter. Simple you may think, NO, they have to enter the move in the cows passport, yes, I kid you not, cows must abide with E.U. rules, by having an up to date E.U cow passport. They then have to send the cows passport to the Bureaucrats, await it’s return,and then sometimes repeat the exercise, if they return the beast to it’s original pasture. So now you may understand, why I think the mad cows reside in Brussels.

[transam]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

and where were we exactly ?

Not Germany, but Germany will soon be taking care of the UK baggage.....

 

Hip Hip....

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

3 hours ago, RuamRudy said:

You raised the issue of bendy bananas as an example of an out of control EU - YET you knew it was a lie? How many more lies have you encouraged because they do your 'cause' good?

None.

It is telling, though, that after so much debate and argument, the only example you gave of an out of control EU was one that you, yourself, admitted was a lie.

[RuamRudy]

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Apologies, but you did mention cows and boarders.

A friend in our small village has a farm, on which live a number of cows. Her fathers owns another farm in the village, also with cows.Now to show how stupid some E.U rules are, there are occasions when they will move a cow from her fathers field to an adjacent field, that belongs to his daughter. Simple you may think, NO, they have to enter the move in the cows passport, yes, I kid you not, cows must abide with E.U. rules, by having an up to date E.U cow passport. They then have to send the cows passport to the Bureaucrats, await it’s return,and then sometimes repeat the exercise, if they return the beast to it’s original pasture. So now you may understand, why I think the mad cows reside in Brussels.

Do you not think that may have something to do with the lack of controls in place that led to BSE/CJD, causing how many deaths etc. and a 20 year ban on UK beef being allowed to be sold in the US?

[soalbundy]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Not Germany, but Germany will soon be taking care of the UK baggage.....

 

Hip Hip....

I doubt that but even if,unlike the UK they could probably afford it. I have my doubts if brexit will even happen or if then in a really diluted form, still,give it another 15 years and the UK will be back in minus the pound.

[soalbundy]

6 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Apologies, but you did mention cows and boarders.

A friend in our small village has a farm, on which live a number of cows. Her fathers owns another farm in the village, also with cows.Now to show how stupid some E.U rules are, there are occasions when they will move a cow from her fathers field to an adjacent field, that belongs to his daughter. Simple you may think, NO, they have to enter the move in the cows passport, yes, I kid you not, cows must abide with E.U. rules, by having an up to date E.U cow passport. They then have to send the cows passport to the Bureaucrats, await it’s return,and then sometimes repeat the exercise, if they return the beast to it’s original pasture. So now you may understand, why I think the mad cows reside in Brussels.

My sister has a large cattle farm in Australia, she also complains about the strict measures imposed on movement of cattle, it's obviously done with good reason and Australia isn't in the EU.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

As Churchill eloquently put it.

 

"There are a lot of lies going around... and half of them are true."

"A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on."

"Truth is incontrovertible, ignorance can deride it, panic may resent it, malice may destroy it, but there it is."

Cheap way out for telling lies. Apologies would have been better.

[nontabury]

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

Do you not think that may have something to do with the lack of controls in place that led to BSE/CJD, causing how many deaths etc. and a 20 year ban on UK beef being allowed to be sold in the US?

This applies to All cattle, throughout the E.U. Nothing to do with BSE.

 It’s all about the opportunity to create little empires, controlled by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. There are other examples I could give you, including unnecessary regulations from the E.U relating to non licensed semi medicines relating to pet animals.

As a matter of interest, the colour of the passport is Green.

please try and keep up.

[nontabury]

9 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

My sister has a large cattle farm in Australia, she also complains about the strict measures imposed on movement of cattle, it's obviously done with good reason and Australia isn't in the EU.

But are they as ridicules, as those imposed by the E.U.

If so please provide an example, rather than providing such a vague answer.

 

I’m still awaiting a reply to my question, that as your such a great fan of Germany,

why do you not live there. And will you be surrendering your British passport for the E.U. Passport, in 2019.

[soalbundy]

4 minutes ago, nontabury said:

But are they as ridicules, as those imposed by the E.U.

If so please provide an example, rather than providing such a vague answer.

 

I’m still awaiting a reply to my question, that as your such a great fan of Germany,

why do you not live there. And will you be surrendering your British passport for the E.U. Passport, in 2019.

Well I did live there for nigh on 45 years and retired to Thailand because my Thai wife was homesick otherwise I wouldn't have left but now that I have been here for 13 years and have a Thai/British son I quite enjoy it. If it was possible to surrender my passport for a EU passport I would do even though I have no intention of going to Europe,I would do so out of solidarity with the European idea.

Not being a cattle farmer I can't provide you with a lot of detail but it entailed her buying another large tract of land that they had to clear but couldn't just move some cattle on it without a big bureaucratic procedure and having the ear tags registered for that piece of land.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

I think we need to go back to this occasionally quoted, 'fact '....

 

As another poster pointed out, there is NO WAY votes can be determined according to education, although they can be correalated according to wealthy districts.

 

And another poster was entirely right in pointing out that degrees have been 'dumbed down'...so that even the least intelligent can obtain a degree in media studies or whatever...

 

Apparently the 'intelligent', 'educated' young  couldn't be bothered to vote (according to the media and vociferous remainers) - so it's far more than 'a bit of a stretch' to imagine that 3% more graduates with stupid degrees would have changed things...

 

Having said this, it's possible that 3% more, entirely stupid graduates could possibly have changed the result....

 

And let's not forget that many, IQ challenged, have obtained 'degrees'...

 

 

The chips are out again!

 

Please don't be unkind to other posters; some of them have more than one degree ?

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, transam said:

Back door German rule.....My late dad and grand parents would not be happy...

I thought back door was a Greek rule?

[Grouse]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

OK, time for me to 'fess up'....

 

I left school with 3 o levels - despite attending a 'top notch' grammar school - and in the 'A stream'.

 

  The 'chip on my shoulder' (and general rebellious nature) resulted in bugger all academic qualifications - but back in the '70s, employers were impressed by my school background, and so - I 'enjoyed' a career as a result of my intelligence.  To the extent that two long-term employers were very shocked (when writing job descriptions) that I didn't have a degree.

 

Let's be honest here, most graduates are very stupid - but they have a degree certificate..... 

What UTTER codswallop. You carry on believing that if it makes you feel happy ?

[nontabury]

18 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Well I did live there for nigh on 45 years and retired to Thailand because my Thai wife was homesick otherwise I wouldn't have left but now that I have been here for 13 years and have a Thai/British son I quite enjoy it. If it was possible to surrender my passport for a EU passport I would do even though I have no intention of going to Europe,I would do so out of solidarity with the European idea.

Not being a cattle farmer I can't provide you with a lot of detail but it entailed her buying another large tract of land that they had to clear but couldn't just move some cattle on it without a big bureaucratic procedure and having the ear tags registered for that piece of land.

Do the Australian cows have to have a passport, the same as E.U.cows. And if so what colour is the cows passport? Do they have to submit that passport in order to move a beast from one field to an adjacent one. The answer to both questions is NO. Why because they’re not E.U cows.?

Edited March 8, 2018 by nontabury

[Grouse]

Here is a scholarly article on Brexit correlations.

 

Please read it so that we can move on

 

 

 

http://www.matthewjgoodwin.org/uploads/6/4/0/2/64026337/political_quarterly_version_1_9.pdf

 

If you don't understand some of the statistical methods, ask. Yes it is dry but worth the read.

Edited March 8, 2018 by Grouse

[rockingrobin]

58 minutes ago, nontabury said:

This applies to All cattle, throughout the E.U. Nothing to do with BSE.

 It’s all about the opportunity to create little empires, controlled by the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels. There are other examples I could give you, including unnecessary regulations from the E.U relating to non licensed semi medicines relating to pet animals.

As a matter of interest, the colour of the passport is Green.

please try and keep up.

The Australians have NLIS

and Canada RFID is mandatory

[oldlakey]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

Here is a scholarly article on Brexit correlations.

 

Please read it so that we can move on

 

 

If you don't understand some of the statistical methods, ask. Yes it is dry but worth the read.

We are moving on with or without you 

[Orac]

Apologies, but you did mention cows and boarders.
A friend in our small village has a farm, on which live a number of cows. Her fathers owns another farm in the village, also with cows.Now to show how stupid some E.U rules are, there are occasions when they will move a cow from her fathers field to an adjacent field, that belongs to his daughter. Simple you may think, NO, they have to enter the move in the cows passport, yes, I kid you not, cows must abide with E.U. rules, by having an up to date E.U cow passport. They then have to send the cows passport to the Bureaucrats, await it’s return,and then sometimes repeat the exercise, if they return the beast to it’s original pasture. So now you may understand, why I think the mad cows reside in Brussels.

Absolutely shocking the length these bureaucrats will go to - who could possibly think of a reason why they would want to keep a centralised database that monitors every movement of a cow so that others it had come into contact with could be located quickly.




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[midas]

Never mind anxiety over brexit, it should be readily apparent even to blind Freddy that the EU is slowly disintegrating before our eyes

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/07/italy-election-berlusconi-says-hell-support-lega-leader-as-italy-prime-minister.html

Edited March 8, 2018 by midas

[Grouse]

9 minutes ago, oldlakey said:

We are moving on with or without you 

Yes, I thought you might find it a bit heavy going; never mind ?

[soalbundy]

33 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Do the Australian cows have to have a passport, the same as E.U.cows. And if so what colour is the cows passport? Do they have to submit that passport in order to move a beast from one field to an adjacent one. The answer to both questions is NO. Why because they’re not E.U cows.?

My sister says they have yellow books, don't know if that's a passport, she exports to Indonesia. When they moved the cows finally the government wanted to know about any weed killers that had been used on the new land and came down to inspect it first. Really ! why all this interest in cows? It isn't a bad idea to know where your animals are grazing and being kept and what quality of animal you are exporting. For everything there are rules.

[rockingrobin]

40 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Do the Australian cows have to have a passport, the same as E.U.cows. And if so what colour is the cows passport? Do they have to submit that passport in order to move a beast from one field to an adjacent one. The answer to both questions is NO. Why because they’re not E.U cows.?

This is not truly accurate.

There is no requirement to update the passport for moving the cattle from one field to an adjacent field unless it is listed as a separate livestock holding.

A single livestock holding can cover the land and buildings within 10 miles of its main livestock handling area.

[nontabury]

44 minutes ago, rockingrobin said:

This is not truly accurate.

There is no requirement to update the passport for moving the cattle from one field to an adjacent field unless it is listed as a separate livestock holding.

A single livestock holding can cover the land and buildings within 10 miles of its main livestock handling area.

Off course it’s accurate. She has a farm ( one holding ) her father is the owner of  another holding, that is the farm next to hers. Consequently when she moves a beast from her field into the Next field of her father, she must comply with the E.U. Rules.

 I first became aware of this stupid E.U rule, while  visiting her house, when the postman came. I was absolutely amazed at the amount of E.U. Forms ( think Brazilian rain forrest) she has to deal with.She exclaimed how the E.U system works. To what benefit she’s no idea. 

 

Edited March 8, 2018 by nontabury

[rockingrobin]

17 minutes ago, nontabury said:

Off course it’s accurate. She has a farm ( one holding ) her father is the owner of  another holding, that is the farm next to hers. Consequently when she moves a beast from her field into the Next field of her father, she must comply with the E.U. Rules.

 I first became aware of this stupid E.U rule, while  visiting her house, when the postman came. I was absolutely amazed at the amount of E.U. Forms ( think Brazilian rain forrest) she has to deal with.She exclaimed how the E.U system works. To what benefit she’s no idea. 

 

The cattle is being moved from one farm to another. The amount of paperwork is minimal. The passport is issued at birth, or importation and remains with the beast for life. The update of the passport can be done online.