“country “ is shocked by this ? Really! It’s been going on for years.

 

 

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Thus breaking the very first of the Buddhist Five Precepts, and also one of the Christian Ten Commandments. 

An eye opening article. It only took them about a century.

 

What will another expose be about?

4 hours ago, webfact said:

“It makes me wonder what has caused many Thai youths to turn out this way,” said the page administrators. “What did we miss?

Just an outside perspective from a guy old enough to be either a dad, uncle, or granddad to these kids:
I see how boys are brought up in Thai society.  They are coddled, pampered, nor required to take on responsibility, allowed to run the households of adults by acting out because the parents refuse to punish them for inappropriate behavior, and they learn at an early age that acting out gets them what they want from Thai adult family members, so appropriate boundaries are never developed unless the kid pulls himself up by his bootstraps in his late teens or early adulthood - well after the damage is done.
Thais are clearly at fault for not socializing their children, but its a vicious cycle: unsocialized children growing up and having children who become unsocialized children due to poor parenting......ad-infinitum.  Kids can do whatever they want, are held blameless, and are kept occupied by handing them a Smartphone.  What could possibly go wrong.  It's both a cultural and a societal issue.  The end result: immaturity and a total lack of understanding on how to resolve conflict and rejection.  Pick up a gun and make a statement.  If it wasn't a gun it would be a knife.
A lack of maturity; a lack of sophistication; a lack of foresight; unrealistic view of how reality works and how to adapt to change. Pretty much the hallmarks of young Thai adults - and a lot of older ones too.

little boys praised since birth for being a boy, no responsabilities, get a rejection they cannot accept and than you get this

 

is there a responsible part of thai series  ?   if I can't get you, no-one will... bang bang, murder suicide

I blame a lot on the parents, especially the mothers, I have seen it living here in a village for 10 yrs. They let the kids get away with anything, if they do not want to go to school, ok, stay out at night come home when they want, buy them what they want, no control. I was born in Merseyside England and if we said or done the wrong thing, shit, we would get our asses kicked good and proper, I am going back from 1941.

 25 year old man is not a youth, , should be a grown up adult by now, (yeah i know pissing in the wind) its in the thai male upbringing, they got minds like 5 year old kids, we see this every day, be it road rage or any other male involvement, this stupid loss of face thing, as we see no one takes the blame for anything here, about time they woke up, but it will never happen, as young generations are brainwashed into that king of thinking,  todays youth is tomorrows parents and so the cycle repeats itself, we see this from the top how the man throws tantrums, and at his age, i ask you

It's a complex, multi-facated problem that needs to be assessed on a case-by-case basis.

 

Having said this, as a global society we do seem to disregard or place little importance on morals and values that build the cultural cornerstones. It starts with the erosion of the nuclear family, which in turn leads to sharp drops in "community" spirit (ala connection to neighbors and attending outlets to focus on religious/ spiritual well-being). These foundations have been replaced by seclusion/ isolation, instant gratification and celebrity/ media/  sensationalism that warps peoples sense of worth and situational realities. 

 

This is more evident in developed western societies which is further compounded by a feminist movement that demonizes the male "patriarchy".

4 hours ago, flyingtlger said:

Too much video gaming......

You know ... you are 100% correct ... although we live in Laos, I took my Lao son aged 21 to a Psychiatrist in Khon Kaen, Video Gaming was his problem, we suspected this, hence the reason we needed both an expert opinion  and the words from the Dr's mouth rather than M&D saying "Stop playing those stupid games" ... the Dr was great, fortunately our son took note, he's now off games playing maybe an hour or so on a Saturday, his whole life has changed, his moods, character his yearning to get out and get a job also ... if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes, I would not have believed it ... the treatment came with some medication which he took for a month or so, and then we had to closely monitor him ... we were very lucky it all turned out for the best and we weren't 'too late' ... the Dr. went on to tell us how common this problem is and how 'fatal' this disorder can be ....

 

I'm sorry for the long message, however, I just wanted to let other parents know who may have a child (or two) like our son was, to let them know that there is a cure and if the child is as cooperative as our son was, you just won't believe the change in him/her and the better life that he leads now

I've been here 20 years and have no male Thai friends. In my experience, and generally speaking of course, they are thick, lazy, arrogant and think only about themselves. I'm so sorry to say this, but many, in my experience, are like wild animals, not humans. This behaviour, therefore, is not unexpected.

1 hour ago, LennyW said:

Fragile ego's, small penis syndrome, stupid soaps glorifying guns and women beating, immaturity, loss of face and downright stupidity...all major contributing factors!!!

..but they are reported to have the second smallest penis on the planet,think India is first

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

While one should avoid overly simplistic answers to a serious problem, I can't help but say that Thai men often are reared with an attitude that they can do no wrong and that 'Face' matters more than anything else. Further, Thai society doesn't seem to place a great deal of emphasis on 'rights and wrongs'; can anyone outline the Thai equivalent of a personal moral code or the Thai equivalent of personal responsibility? When young Thai men seek a role model, perhaps they see Prayut (and other leaders) who simply took/did what they wanted by bypassing all norms and proper behaviour? And, perhaps more importantly, get away with it?

 

How does Thai society treat women? Are they valued as equals with all the same rights and privileges? Or, are they seen as a prize and something to own?

 

In light of the above, are we surprised that there are incidents like this?

 

You can't draw firm conclusions from one or two incidents, but I suspect that we will see even more of this kind of behaviour in the future.

 

It is terribly sad to see young lives snuffed out before seeing them reach their potential.

 

RIP

 

I think young Thai women have the same problem about saving face and often downright arrogance and nastiness if they happen to be beautiful. The more followers some of them have on Facebook the more arrogant and rude they are. 

There are deep rooted anger issues, poor education, IQ ranges in the low- to-mid 70s, poor impulse control, poor parenting, too much teen sex with no protection, society that lacks morals, teen girls and women  with the promiscuous nature of an alleycat, no perceived consequences for their actions, horrible societal inequities which show the rich and powerful can do whatever they want without repercussions, a violent; rape and sexual violence based tv drama and cartoon book culture, and we get the Land of smiles.

And more than occasionally, we foreigners are the victims of the violence because now all Thais know they can stab us in the stomach or kick us in the face IN FRONT OF POLICE and pay a $15 fine.

Just now, altcar bob said:

..but they are reported to have the second smallest penis on the planet,think India is first

Ever watch Japanese porn (Who, me?? I was only told about it!). Japanese men have that rep, but not Indians.

4 hours ago, webfact said:

It makes me wonder what has caused many Thai youths to turn out this way

A failed society where everyone hides from responsibility.

The crazy thing is that most of these guys are rejected because they are being unfaithful. They want to have their cake and eat it and when they rightully get the shove they just can,t  handle it. Thai men are notorious for this.

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

While one should avoid overly simplistic answers to a serious problem, I can't help but say that Thai men often are reared with an attitude that they can do no wrong and that 'Face' matters more than anything else. Further, Thai society doesn't seem to place a great deal of emphasis on 'rights and wrongs'; can anyone outline the Thai equivalent of a personal moral code or the Thai equivalent of personal responsibility? When young Thai men seek a role model, perhaps they see Prayut (and other leaders) who simply took/did what they wanted by bypassing all norms and proper behaviour? And, perhaps more importantly, get away with it?

 

How does Thai society treat women? Are they valued as equals with all the same rights and privileges? Or, are they seen as a prize and something to own?

 

In light of the above, are we surprised that there are incidents like this?

 

You can't draw firm conclusions from one or two incidents, but I suspect that we will see even more of this kind of behaviour in the future.

 

It is terribly sad to see young lives snuffed out before seeing them reach their potential.

 

RIP

 

I think you will find that even in Theravada Buddhism woman are second class. Men can reach Nirvana but women cannot. Do you see any women Monks in Thailand? Until that root core value changes Thai men will see themselves as 'superior' to a Thai woman. 

Although these stories are shocking, what I feel is more worrying is the WHY ? Why should young onviously fit healthy boys/men, shoot their girlfirend and then themselvces. Is it loss of face, is loss of street cred, is it the fact that so many times over the years I have been toild stories of just how girls are treated by thier Thai boyfriends, that now the females are pushing back and no longer being the compliant females the boys want.
Whichever way you look at it , it is a sad affair. 

3 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

While one should avoid overly simplistic answers to a serious problem, I can't help but say that Thai men often are reared with an attitude that they can do no wrong and that 'Face' matters more than anything else. Further, Thai society doesn't seem to place a great deal of emphasis on 'rights and wrongs'; can anyone outline the Thai equivalent of a personal moral code or the Thai equivalent of personal responsibility? When young Thai men seek a role model, perhaps they see Prayut (and other leaders) who simply took/did what they wanted by bypassing all norms and proper behaviour? And, perhaps more importantly, get away with it?

 

How does Thai society treat women? Are they valued as equals with all the same rights and privileges? Or, are they seen as a prize and something to own?

 

In light of the above, are we surprised that there are incidents like this?

 

You can't draw firm conclusions from one or two incidents, but I suspect that we will see even more of this kind of behaviour in the future.

 

It is terribly sad to see young lives snuffed out before seeing them reach their potential.

 

RIP

 

Wonderful post, Samui Bodoh. Could not agree with you more. And yes: what a grand example (not!) Prayut sets to the entirety of Thailand's youth. Following that role model, it is perfectly fine to commit the ultimate treason against one's own people - and then go on to rule the roost with impunity. What a sterling moral exemplar!

 

Obviously way to easy to get hold of a gun as well. Always seems to be some sort of gun related incidents going on.

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Good. 

Certainly no loss and another defected gene supplier removed from the breeding pool. 

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Having read all of the posts so far it would appear that all of us know what the problems/issues are but the Thais, it seems, have no clue, and will just continue to do as they have been doing. The events will only get more frequent.

It is often said that by Westerners who have lived here for years that Thais never learn from experience.

Just looking at the Thais' behaviour on the roads - and the fact they now hold the world record for road fatalities - confirms that.

6 minutes ago, Eligius said:

Wonderful post, Samui Bodoh. Could not agree with you more. And yes: what a grand example (not!) Prayut sets to the entirety of Thailand's youth. Following that role model, it is perfectly fine to commit the ultimate treason against one's own people - and then go on to rule the roost with impunity. What a sterling moral exemplar!

 

And you will of course recall the highly intelligent comment from a certain PM following the double murder on Kho Tao, "no Thai would do this" 

So don't expect any great changes soon. 

4 minutes ago, Eligius said:

1 hour ago, DoctorG said:

Having read all of the posts so far it would appear that all of us know what the problems/issues are but the Thais, it seems, have no clue, and will just continue to do as they have been doing. The events will only get more frequent.

It is often said that by Westerners who have lived here for years that Thais never learn from experience.

Just looking at the Thais' behaviour on the roads - and the fact they now hold the world record for road fatalities - confirms that.

 

One big issue with the guys who have lived here long enough is that they have rosy memories of what it's like back home, and no clue how that's been changing in the past (however long they've been here) years.

 

https://youtu.be/QXWNChoIluo

 

 

6 minutes ago, Artisi said:

And you will of course recall the highly intelligent comment from a certain PM following the double murder on Kho Tao, "no Thai would do this" 

So don't expect any great changes soon. 

I absolutely take your point, Artisi. I think it was a top policeman on Koh Tao who said 'no Thai would do this' (but I am sure Prayut would have agreed). And Prayut did say (basically) that a beautiful woman who walks around in a bikini is asking for trouble and that only ugly women will be safe. What a great, enlightened P.M. !!

The mental health issues are at epidemic proportions across Thailand, from teenagers battling each other in schools to murdering their ex girlfriends and rug abuse to adult road rage and bar shootings in anger. Dr Apichat Jariyavilasa should not be surprised simply because it never has been tackled and there is little resource or willingness to do so.

2 hours ago, z42 said:

You also have to look at the soaps and music videos. Rejection is almost exclusively met with a desire or acting out of violent vengeance.

 

Thai lads in my experience are either incredibly decent or complete nuggets. Very few tread the grey between sadly

Agree, IMO those Thai soaps have a lot to answer for. All over the nation young impressionable Thais watch those shows nightly, and every night it's the same...your BF or GF has another lover so you get a gun or a knife and kill her/him or try kill yourself.

It is a complicated cluster of causes that require a lot of re-examination of family values.  Smaller modern families probably encourage dysfunctional parenting and more spoiling of children.  Even one generation ago effective contraception was not widely employed in LOS and larger families forced sharing of attention between siblings.  People were poorer and this reduced resources available and made kids share.  Now, it is common for families with one or two children only, and two working doting parents spoil them.  The change from rural to urban living and both parents working means less quality time with parents and TV becomes the babysitter.  Also the Asian preoccupation with boy children gives rise to the "little Emperor" a.k.a. the selfish spoiled brat son who can do no wrong.  You see it in male Thai driving every day.  And the Asian "face" thing.  Selfish spoiled and self-important.  Ask any school teacher.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

Dr Apichat Jariyavilasa, a psychiatrist and spokesman for the Department of Mental Health, said such cases of assault and killing of former partners could stem from various factors, including a person’s immature character or violence-prone upbringing, a heat-of-the-moment reaction when hurtful words are exchanged or narcotic/alcohol abuse.

 

He urged people suffering heartbreak or severe disappointment to the point of it affecting their health, causing insomnia or suicidal thoughts, to seek a psychiatrist’s help or call the department’s hotline 1323. 

The Psychologists who treats those sick bastards are gonna need a Psychologists themselves later 

13 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

I think you will find that even in Theravada Buddhism woman are second class. Men can reach Nirvana but women cannot. Do you see any women Monks in Thailand? Until that root core value changes Thai men will see themselves as 'superior' to a Thai woman. 

Not sure that is a valid argument. If you are or consider yourself to be Buddhist, then there is sufficient teaching for this feeling of "superior" to be negated and not of importance. 

Saying that it's due to Buddhism is like claiming it was alchocol /drugs etc. for your actions.