Testosterone, steroids, etc.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, poanoi said:

ah, ok, but i think i could carry on at least a couple of month before i busted

my left forearm. it may also be that tren may build better but does not add

strength above what oxandrolone does

I would not know, tren is considered the most potent anabolic steroid. Oxandrolone is not considered that potent but known for its strength gains. I can't say I ever tested it, oral steroids are not that good for the liver (can't say its all orals as I am not a 100% expert) but in general orals are bad for the liver. Injects will take time to work because of the half life it needs to build up. 

[poanoi]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

I would not know, tren is considered the most potent anabolic steroid. Oxandrolone is not considered that potent but known for its strength gains. I can't say I ever tested it, oral steroids are not that good for the liver (can't say its all orals as I am not a 100% expert) but in general orals are bad for the liver. Injects will take time to work because of the half life it needs to build up. 

yes, i cant really evaluate long term regeneration effects or rate of growth

since i busted my body pretty quickly, it may well be that trenbolone

takes the crown in these fields.

but i only added 5 lbs on my dumbbells going from oxandrolone alone,

to oxandrolone + testosterone + trenbolone over a period of perhaps 2-3 months,

until my forearm broke.

so if its just strength & endurance i want, oxandrolone works like a charm,

best of all: i will not take it in my @ss ever again

[tropo]

18 hours ago, mokwit said:

18 hours ago, Venkku said:

I'm a bodybuilder so tren is nothing new to me. I don't have time to visit bangkok pharmacies so that's why I asked any good place to shop in hua hin or cha am. 

Ok - was guessing seemingly incorrectly that if you were asking where to buy it you might have had no personal experience and thus chimed in to try and be helpful.

 

The disturbing part was the implication that if a person is a bodybuilder they should be using, or at least know about Trenbolone. I started bodybuilding in the 70's, and mostly it was about hard work and a good diet. Now everyone is looking for a shortcut. These drugs were designed for cattle and have no place in the human body. The muscles people build with them will soon disappear, so it's a very temporary fix with the very real possibility of permanent damage to the body's internal organs.

 

[tropo]

18 hours ago, poanoi said:

i started with oxandrolone, and then took testosterone & trenbolone up the arse,

but i didnt improve upon what oxandrolone already gave me, or at least it was so little i couldnt dissect any positive effect above and beyond oxandrolone

Seriously, you're drug addict. You want to use drugs to build muscle and other drugs to lose fat. There seems to be no end to what you'll pump into your body in an effort to improve your physique. Why not stick to basic TRT and let hard work and good diet take care of the rest? Any benefits you'll get from anabolic steroids will soon disappear when you stop taking them. What is your plan? Take them forever?

 

 

[tropo]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

I would not know, tren is considered the most potent anabolic steroid. Oxandrolone is not considered that potent but known for its strength gains. I can't say I ever tested it, oral steroids are not that good for the liver (can't say its all orals as I am not a 100% expert) but in general orals are bad for the liver. Injects will take time to work because of the half life it needs to build up. 

Most oral anabolic steroids are not just bad for the liver, they can destroy it. LIver cholestasis doesn't take long to develop from heavy use. If a person happens to develop liver cholestasis, which is a bile flow obstruction of the liver, they can die or permanently damage the liver. They will definitely lose every pound of muscle they worked hard for as they try to restore liver function, which can take a long time. Jaundice is no fun at all.

[robblok]

9 minutes ago, tropo said:

Most oral anabolic steroids are not just bad for the liver, they can destroy it. LIver cholestasis doesn't take long to develop from heavy use. If a person happens to develop liver cholestasis, which is a bile flow obstruction of the liver, they can die or permanently damage the liver. They will definitely lose every pound of muscle they worked hard for as they try to restore liver function, which can take a long time. Jaundice is no fun at all.

I was not sure it was that bad, i always thought that orals could be used safe for 6 to 8 weeks (depending on dosage). I did know you could not use them longer because of the liver problems. I am no expert on orals nor do I have much personal experience with them. 

[poanoi]

2 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

Test' up  the bum combined with a high protein diet =

i think its food alone that is the culprit,

you just notice it more when you take more protein drinks to

make max use of the testosterone.

its pretty disturbing, i find that when i live on starvation,

my farts finally ends, i know when the farting resume,

-its cause i resumed eating, and its highly upsetting how little

the body actually need of food

[poanoi]

1 hour ago, tropo said:

Seriously, you're drug addict. You want to use drugs to build muscle and other drugs to lose fat. There seems to be no end to what you'll pump into your body in an effort to improve your physique. Why not stick to basic TRT and let hard work and good diet take care of the rest? Any benefits you'll get from anabolic steroids will soon disappear when you stop taking them. What is your plan? Take them forever?

 

 

it was a couple of unfortunate coincidences:

firstly i got not so little cocky when i had found out

that i could eat as much as i ever wanted,

-it was just poppin a few DNP and i would be as good as new.

secondly i ended up in the shithole of the earth, cambodia,

that just dont have any food and i was forced to feed on

chocolate/icecream/cakes until i finally hit 50 so i could get the hell outa there.

 

i already decided this time around, i wont succumb to chocolate etc,

theres no need for doing so, u c, in cambodia i was so starving for

protein so i couldnt walk in a straight line, i was bumping from wall to wall

dizzy from protein starvation, they are too cheap with the meat there.

 

for steroids, i dont know if i ever recover enough to go back to gym,

if i do, at most i will eat up the oxandrolone i got left

[Venkku]

Oxandrolone = anavar is expensive to make. You need to have good reputable lab to get real anavar. Otherwise it's something else. All orals are harsh to your liver, some more than others. Also dosage dependent. Anavar is quite mild for your liver. 

[tropo]

5 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

Regrading post cycle muscle loss, I knew  two dudes who lost most of their gains within a month. It was like they were the Incredible Shrinking Men. LOL

They had both sworn that they were not juicing when they entered a power lifting contest!

LOL> the quicker it comes, the faster it disappears.

[tropo]

26 minutes ago, Venkku said:

Oxandrolone = anavar is expensive to make. You need to have good reputable lab to get real anavar. Otherwise it's something else. All orals are harsh to your liver, some more than others. Also dosage dependent. Anavar is quite mild for your liver. 

You make a good point about fake gear. I thought I'd save some money on Testosterone Depot and get 10ml UG lab vials of it. I preferred that because it's easy to micro-dose (eg 0.5ml). Either it was completely fake, or a very low dose, so I threw it out. I also ended up with an annoying itchy rash over many parts of my body - possibly a reaction to the carrier oils. It's better to spend more and be sure you're getting what you pay for.

[Destiny1990]

How about Test P ? I think its more expensive then Test E but has less negative side effects according what i read about it.

[faraday]

1 minute ago, Destiny1990 said:

How about Test P ? I think its more expensive then Test E but has less negative side effects according what i read about it.

It has a much shorter half-life of 4.5 days, so you need to inject more frequently.

 

All Testosterone is the same. All that changes is the Ester.

[tropo]

31 minutes ago, faraday said:

35 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

How about Test P ? I think its more expensive then Test E but has less negative side effects according what i read about it.

It has a much shorter half-life of 4.5 days, so you need to inject more frequently.

 

All Testosterone is the same. All that changes is the Ester.

I'll tell you all you need to know about Testosterone propionate - PAIN!!!!

 

You need to inject it every 2 - 3 days and the pain can be quite extreme. The short ester crystals cause the pain.

 

Here's some useful information:

 

The solvents used can cause pain in 2 ways. Benzyl alcohol (BA) is used at 1%-2% as a preservative and antiseptic. If the alcohol content is too high the gear will burn. Pain in the first 24 hours is usually caused by heavy solvents, pain in the next few hours is usually cause by crystalization. Another way is a bad recipe. if someone used 2% BA, and the rest of the solution oil, the mg/mL would have to be low due to oil's weak ability to hold crystals. On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful. 

[Destiny1990]

I have done several blood test in the last 2  years and all was always fine except each time it was shown that my T levels are too low..The advise of the doctors was always to begin supplementing with T to bring my levels to where they should atleast be..

But i scary for the side effects i never did take anything.

i wonder if i start with TRT if this also might fix my herniated disc? That I probably got due to low T in the first place.. Also i got dry skin will TRT improve this also?

What amount and frequency of Test E do i need to inject to get back to normal T levels?

I think once i start with trt then basically it will be for always if side effects are acceptable..

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

I have done several blood test in the last 2  years and all was always fine except each time it was shown that my T levels are too low..The advise of the doctors was always to begin supplementing with T to bring my levels to where they should atleast be..

But i scary for the side effects i never did take anything.

i wonder if i start with TRT if this also might fix my herniated disc? That I probably got due to low T in the first place.. Also i got dry skin will TRT improve this also?

What amount and frequency of Test E do i need to inject to get back to normal T levels?

I think once i start with trt then basically it will be for always if side effects are acceptable..

You should ask these questions to a doctor who is a specialist on TRT treatment. As far as I know, we only have our personal experiences, and what we understand from what we have read. Any hospital with doctors specialists in anti aging can help you, but remember they are also there to make money! 

[Destiny1990]

17 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You should ask these questions to a doctor who is a specialist on TRT treatment. As far as I know, we only have our personal experiences, and what we understand from what we have read. Any hospital with doctors specialists in anti aging can help you, but remember they are also there to make money! 

My specialist doctor in home country said i need start with daily andro gel one sachet a day.. i will even get this for free as my T is in the low zone..

But in Thailand is no androgel or at least i did not find it..

another doctor said take nebido shots another said take test E.. since andro gel not here i kinda consider try Test E..

exactly thats why i asking it here to people with experience instead of only to the doctors who sometimes just pushing their products. 

Edited June 28, 2018 by Destiny1990

[poanoi]

no reason herniatic disk & dry skin would improve,

i think you can start with anastrol, cut them in half,

and take one every other day, and after a month, check blood.

that way you will improve a bit but will keep the door open for alternatives

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

My specialist doctor in home country said i need start with daily andro gel one sachet a day.. i will even get this for free as my T is in the low zone..

But in Thailand is no androgel or at least i did not find it..

another doctor said take nebido shots another said take test E.. since andro gel not here i kinda consider try Test E..

exactly thats why i asking it here to people with experience instead of only to the doctors who sometimes just pushing their products. 

You get Androgel 50mg here in Thailand at least from Bangkok Hospital. I personally would try that first, but if you are very intim with your gf or often skin to skin, then she could have bieffects from you using gel, and also a problem if you are an active man and shower often. 

 

Thats why I did not use Androgel in Thailand to often shower, swimming, and skin to skin contact with my gf trough the day and night.

Edited June 28, 2018 by Hummin

[poanoi]

Just now, Hummin said:

You get Androgel 50mg here in Thailand at least from Bangkok Hospital. I personally would try that first, but if you are very intim with your gf or often skin to skin, then she could have bieffects from you using gel, and also a problem if you are an active man and shower often. 

 

Thats why I did not use Androgel in Thailand to often shower and swimming, and intim contact with my gf trough the day and night.

i happen to think that a tad of testosterone will work like a charm to

turn girls horny

[Destiny1990]

25 minutes ago, poanoi said:

no reason herniatic disk & dry skin would improve,

i think you can start with anastrol, cut them in half,

and take one every other day, and after a month, check blood.

that way you will improve a bit but will keep the door open for alternatives

Well i did read several stories online of improvement of joints and skin from trt users.Then Anastrol i never heard of it..

Edited June 28, 2018 by Destiny1990

[Destiny1990]

24 minutes ago, poanoi said:

i happen to think that a tad of testosterone will work like a charm to

turn girls horny

U got it all wrong it’s dangerous for ladies and kids the first 6 hours u rub it on ur body.

[Destiny1990]

29 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You get Androgel 50mg here in Thailand at least from Bangkok Hospital. I personally would try that first, but if you are very intim with your gf or often skin to skin, then she could have bieffects from you using gel, and also a problem if you are an active man and shower often. 

 

Thats why I did not use Androgel in Thailand to often shower, swimming, and skin to skin contact with my gf trough the day and night.

Will indeed contact them thank u.Any idea of prices for 30 sachets?

Edited June 28, 2018 by Destiny1990

[Venkku]

2 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

My specialist doctor in home country said i need start with daily andro gel one sachet a day.. i will even get this for free as my T is in the low zone..

But in Thailand is no androgel or at least i did not find it..

another doctor said take nebido shots another said take test E.. since andro gel not here i kinda consider try Test E..

exactly thats why i asking it here to people with experience instead of only to the doctors who sometimes just pushing their products. 

Reasonable TRT dosage would be 0.5ml testoviron every 5 days. With that dosage you might not need to use anastrozole. 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Venkku said:

Reasonable TRT dosage would be 0.5ml testoviron every 5 days. With that dosage you might not need to use anastrozole. 

There is not recomended by doctors to start on anastrozole just because you are on trt! Again, dr who are specialists and do bloodtests before treatment, and during treatment will give you suggestions on what you should do, not amatours on TV! Dosages, types of medicine is not TV members speciality, but personal experiences. 

[Hummin]

3 hours ago, Destiny1990 said:

Will indeed contact them thank u.Any idea of prices for 30 sachets?

No, I have to look trough my papers to find the prices. I have also had good experience with Andriol testocaps, but you have to follow the recomended dosages, and not 6 pills a day some in here did recomend to someone in another tread. Most common dosage for men with low T, is 3 weeks on 3 X 40 mg testocaps a day for 3 weeks, and then maintanence dosage of 2 X 40 mg a day. It is cheep, and easy to do, and there is clinics who do only bloodtests as well, but then you need to know what you need to know to do it safe. Check prostate regulary, blood count and so on.  

 

I use BKK Hospital and pay the price to do it under their supervision, and its expensive, but I do not drink, smoke or go beer bars for ladies, so ,,,,,, I spend money on my health instead ?

Edited June 28, 2018 by Hummin

[Venkku]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

There is not recomended by doctors to start on anastrozole just because you are on trt! Again, dr who are specialists and do bloodtests before treatment, and during treatment will give you suggestions on what you should do, not amatours on TV! Dosages, types of medicine is not TV members speciality, but personal experiences. 

Of course you need to do bloodwork before starting anastrozole. But many that I have heard of have stopped using anastrozole when splitting the test dose like I mentioned before. Compared to "normal" 250mg test every 10 days

[Destiny1990]

2 hours ago, Venkku said:

Reasonable TRT dosage would be 0.5ml testoviron every 5 days. With that dosage you might not need to use anastrozole. 

O,5 ML its 500 MG that seems an high dose 2x in 10 days.

[Destiny1990]

26 minutes ago, Venkku said:

Of course you need to do bloodwork before starting anastrozole. But many that I have heard of have stopped using anastrozole when splitting the test dose like I mentioned before. Compared to "normal" 250mg test every 10 days

Yes that seems like a more responsible dose... Can it even be lower to start with?

[Venkku]

13 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

O,5 ML its 500 MG that seems an high dose 2x in 10 days.

125mg every 5 days or 250mg every 10 days.