First convict executed in Thailand in nine years

[KiwiKiwi]

7 minutes ago, Siripon said:

Capital punishment was approved by a large majority of the UK population until very recently. 75% supported it in 1983 whilst in 2014 it had dropped to 48%.

 56% of Americans support the death penalty for murder.

 

I believe the 2014 reading, I wonder why you left out all of the years between 1983 and 2014? Not a crude way to misrepresent the reality is it?

Edited June 19, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[KiwiKiwi]

11 minutes ago, dotpoom said:

I notice when subjects like this one come up that the more "hell and damnation" contained in a post....the more "likes" it gets.....and I always wonder why....What purpose does all the "hell and damnation" serve?

   Most mature people are of a like mind and opinion on matters such as these...in other words....."There are certain things that don't need to be said aloud"...they are taken as a given by the average morally minded person ...(excepting in circumstances where speaking out will make a difference). However, I fail to see how lashing out on a forum will make any difference.....anyway it's all been said a million times before...it's not like these posts have something original to contribute.

 

 

Probably applies to most topics on TV, but I agree. Still, hope springs eternal within the human breast and it's natural to try to influence the thinking of others by what you post. It's the very foundation stone of propaganda.

Edited June 19, 2018 by KiwiKiwi

[Siripon]

2 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said:

I believe the 2014 reading, I wonder why you left out all of the years between 1983 and 2014? Not a cruxe way to misrepresent the reality is it?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822

[KiwiKiwi]

3 minutes ago, Siripon said:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-32061822

 

Fair enough.

 

There has been a decline over time which wasn't clear from either the article, or your post. Changing the mindset of a popularion is always a slow and lengthy process, and I doubt they'll go back. Rightly.

[stud858]

I don't agree with the death penalty for one important reason. 

It may be used as an avenue to an easier suicide  A get out of life free card. 

A death for a death may appease the emotionally involved but not good for society as a whole in my opinion.

More of a deterrant is being locked up in a stinky cell for life. 

[nausea]

I was wondering why this guy was chosen, given there are probably child murderers and rapist murderers on death row. Then I was reading a bit of Shakespeare, as you do:

"Who sued to me for him? Who, in my wrath,

Kneeled at my feet and bid me be advised?

Who spoke of brotherhood? Who spoke of love"

Then it came to me, this guy had no-one to speak for him. Imagine the fuss if they had carried this out on the Kao Tao guys.

Personally, I think it's harder to live than to die. So you give them an easy way out. That's disregarding human falliability, like innocent people being executed. How you gonna atone for that one.  

There are arguments in favour - revenge, no re-offending, saving money, also a pretty good way of silencing dissent.

[Cancerian]

4 hours ago, KiwiKiwi said:

 

Prayuth desperate to send messages about how powerful he is.

 

A very sad day.

Hopefully he can become even more powerfull and rid the world of more of these scum. Maybe even some of them civil libitarians who are the cause of more deaths than anyone

[maximillian]

2 hours ago, kannot said:

Did they stab him 24  times to  kill him, would seem fitting.

You would like to see authorities, who should represent the society, to be as mean as the

convicted killer ?  An eye for an eye...

[Retiredandhappyhere]

4 hours ago, maximillian said:

The executed was only 20 when he killed.

Was it premediated murder ?  No. It wasn't. Was it murder at all ? It happened during a robbery, so it was rather manslaughter. What would the verdict be e.g.in Australia ?

Then why wait for 6 years to execute ?

I'm afraid some of the TVFmembers would also applaud at the execution of the two Burmese accused of murder in Koh Tao.

So, during the course of a robbery, he stabbed his victim 24 times and, in your opinion, it was MANSLAUGHTER?  I believe that, in any civilised country in the world, that crime would be called MURDER.

 

I do agree with you, though, on the 6 year delay leading up to the execution, although it might have been caused by various appeals?  As some posters have already pointed out, it does seem a bit strange that this particular crime, horrific though it was, should have been selected for 

 punishment by execution, while others appear to get away with little more than a slap on the wrist, or conveniently abscond to other shores.

[Retiredandhappyhere]

3 hours ago, ezzra said:

I haven't seen the Amnesty people crying foul or condeming when people get rapped and murdered by these low life, pity they didn't televised the execution for every would be murderer to see...

Nor do they comment when a rapist or murderer is released from prison after a few years and then goes on to rape or murder another innocent person.  Such a rapist was in the news just last week after serving 5 years for a previous rape.  More thought should be given to the innocent victims and rather less to the criminals.  

[fake farang]

6 hours ago, mikebell said:

Now about these corrupt officials stealing money from the needy .....

I hope they don't get too serious with people who borrow watches from a friend.

[Dogmatix]

Unlike the US, Thailand doesn't seem to have a problem importing the drugs needed for executions.  Probably they just keep quiet about what drugs they are using, so the European manufacturers can't block their orders, or perhaps they are not fussy about what drugs they use.  Since there are no witnesses to the executions apart from government officials, there is no telling whether they botch the job or not.  As in Japan, the condemned only learn of their execution date a couple of hours before it is carried out.  For this guy, it must have been more of a shock than normal, since the death row prisoners had got used to the fact that no one had been executed in 9 years. 

 

Not saying that this vicious killer didn't deserve his fate, if you believe in a death penalty at all, particularly when the evidence is incontrovertible. Admittedly the justice system is rather medieval and rich murderers are never executed and often bribe their way out of trouble completely and/or pay to get some pauper set up for their crime.  I don't think a sole execution in 9 years is much of a deterrent. I think more effective police work to increase the arrest and conviction rate of murderers, regardless of their wealth or social status would be more effective, particularly those murderers who pay someone else to pull the trigger for them.    

[Easy Come Easy Go]

I've said it many times before, the death penalty is not a deterrent to heinous crimes, and it has innocent victims to it as well. The countries that still use the death penalty, have the worst crime rates, including the US, which as a huge prison population, the highest per capita of any developed nation. If the state kills it's own people as a means of punishment, that sends a very strong message out to the people, a message that says killing is ok if justified. That trickles down into the consciousness of society, and then you get craziness happening at a more frequent level than in the nations without the death penalty. 

People who like to see others killed by the state, source their reasoning from revenge, which essentially brings their logic down to the level of the criminal. They should be left to rot in a jail cell for the remainder of their lives

Edited June 19, 2018 by Easy Come Easy Go

[wombat]

5 hours ago, maximillian said:

 

Was it premediated murder ?  No. It wasn't. Was it murder at all ? It happened during a robbery, so it was rather manslaughter. 

 

 

and the other 23 stab wounds were a mistake?

[Dogmatix]

1 hour ago, Siripon said:

Thaksin was very keen on executions. He had over 2,275 people murdered in his drugs war and subsequently as many as 1,400 were found to have had nothing to do with drugs. 

And lets us not forget he brought  executions to the TV screen in 2001 when three prisoners were filmed on their way to the death chamber.

 

Thaksin is one of the wealthy murderers who take advantage of lack of rule of law to escape punishment.  Included in the list of his murder victims during his war on drugs were a 9 year old boy, an elderly woman and a number of teenagers, including girls, some of whom were found murdered on their way to school.  He deserves to be injected with the slowest acting and most painful fatal substance known to man.  

[BigC]

Let hope those 2 Burmese from koh Tao get their execution soon 

 

here we go with the hate comments.

end of the day the law convicted them so if thai visa has a problem with my comment they have a problem with the justice system 

[oldrunner]

Truly amazing how many ex-pats have opinions concerning Thailand's system of Justice or, for that matter,

Thai anything. You want US, UK justice system, feed, house, medical care of truly convicted murderers for 20-40 years. Try a dose of Friday afternoons in Saudi Arabia for a nice quick system of justice, albeit a bit bloody, but the fire department is on hand to wash the street. Same rich person exemption in US, UK. as in Thailand. If you're poor and commit a serious felony, tough titti, you are going on the table. Why two tables in execution chamber? Doing two at a time?

[webfact]

Thailand executes first prisoner by lethal injection since 2009

 

BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thailand has executed its first prisoner since 2009, the Department of Corrections said on Tuesday, a move the human rights group Amnesty International condemned as a "deeply misguided" effort to reduce crime.

 

Theerasak Longji, 26, was executed by lethal injection at Bang Kwang Central Prison north of Bangkok on Monday. He was found guilty of murdering a 17-year-old boy in 2012, the department said.

 

He was the seventh person to be executed by lethal injection since Thailand introduced the method in 2003 to replace execution by firing squad. Before Monday, the last people executed were two Thai drug dealers in 2009.

 

"This is a deplorable violation to the right of life," Amnesty's Thailand campaigner Katherine Gerson said of Theerasak's execution.

 

She said Thailand had reneged on a commitment to move towards abolishing the death penalty and was out of step with a global shift away from capital punishment.

 

"There is no evidence that the death penalty has any unique deterrent effect, so the Thai authorities' hopes that this move will reduce crime is deeply misguided," Gerson said.

 

"The Thai government must immediately halt any plans to carry out further executions," she added.

 

Narat Sawettanan, director-general of the Department of Corrections, declined to comment when contacted by Reuters.

 

Prime Minister Prayuth Chan-ocha told reporters that surveys showed most Thais were in favour of capital punishment.

 

"We have many dangerous crimes ... it is a necessity and the will of the people," Prayuth said.

 

Thailand has some of Asia's most crowded prisons, with most inmates jailed for drug offences. Various governments have had little success in tackling overcrowding.

 

Thailand has 361,030 prisoners, 520 of whom are on death row, according to data from the Department of Corrections.

 

Capital punishment can be applied to 35 crimes in Thailand, including murder and drug trafficking.

 

(Reporting by Amy Sawitta Lefevre and Panarat Thepgumpanat; Additional reporting by Pracha Hariraksapitak; Editing by Darren Schuettler, Robert Birsel)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-06-19

[mercman24]

only on page 1 and a tree hugger pops up lol, so stabbing someone 24 times is not barbaric then, there is a lot more in there that deserve the same treatment,, can start with the scum who killed that crippled baker, that was pre med, they went home to get tooled up, how brave

Edited June 19, 2018 by mercman24

[kannot]

3 hours ago, Thian said:

Shut up Amnesty, who do you think you are to tell other people how to live??!

telling  them  how  to  die  i  believe

[kannot]

26 minutes ago, wombat said:

and the other 23 stab wounds were a mistake?

the  floor  was  slippery.............23  times

[Colabamumbai]

Should have televised it.

[pacovl46]

Executions DO NOT prevent crime because murders happen only under two circumstances, they are either committed in the heat of the moment during which the murderer-to-be simply can't think straight and therefore doesn't think about the consequences or it is a planned murder in which case it is planned accordingly to not getting caught.

 

If executions would deter then obviously there wouldn't be any murders in countries that have the death penalty on it. 

 

Either way, the guy had it coming!

[RT555]

6 hours ago, maximillian said:

The executed was only 20 when he killed.

Was it premediated murder ?  No. It wasn't. Was it murder at all ? It happened during a robbery, so it was rather manslaughter. What would the verdict be e.g.in Australia ?

Then why wait for 6 years to execute ?

I'm afraid some of the TVFmembers would also applaud at the execution of the two Burmese accused of murder in Koh Tao.

The 2 Burmese are the sacrafical lambs... While the Koh Tao son is living it up in Bangkok. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by RT555

[bannork]

6 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Executions DO NOT prevent crime because murders happen only under two circumstances, they are either committed in the heat of the moment during which the murderer-to-be simply can't think straight and therefore doesn't think about the consequences or it is a planned murder in which case it is planned accordingly to not getting caught.

 

If executions would deter then obviously there wouldn't be any murders in countries that have the death penalty on it. 

 

Either way, the guy had it coming!

Well obviously execution prevents that particular murderer from killing again.

And  you omitted to mention it may prevent people who were thinking of committing murder from ever putting their plans into action.They may be scared off.

Thirdly, the justification for execution doesn't have to depend on deterrence.An argument could be made that someone forfeits the right to live when they commit murder.

Edited June 19, 2018 by bannork

[Deli]

Same penalty for killing a black Panther ?

[Tofer]

6 hours ago, maximillian said:

The executed was only 20 when he killed.

Was it premediated murder ?  No. It wasn't. Was it murder at all ? It happened during a robbery, so it was rather manslaughter. What would the verdict be e.g.in Australia ?

Then why wait for 6 years to execute ?

I'm afraid some of the TVFmembers would also applaud at the execution of the two Burmese accused of murder in Koh Tao.

So, he went out armed with a knife with every intention of using it to aid his theft, and you say that is not premeditated??

[malibukid]

very strange for a Buddhist country, i had to ask the vets to euthanized my cat who was dying from CKD.  they said that most Thai's just let their animals suffer to the end rather than show mercy.  still Thailand is way behind barbaric countries like the United States, China.

[terryofcrete]

I have seen the future and it’s murder.... (Leonard Cohen..RIP) 

[natway09]

A whole new can of worms reopened.

I read with great interest all the respective posts to this thread & must say that I am still sitting on the fence on this one  in particular in that Thailand needs to ensure that the judicial system has the correct

criteria if they are going to carry out more executions.

I also get your drift about the more wealthy avoiding the sword,,, sorry, injection