UPDATE: Four boys have left the cave so far: Chiang Rai governor

[seajae]

the aussie doctor is a top specialist in cave diving and the medical concerns it involves, he has been involved in cave diving for many years so he will be the one who decides the order they go out in. We have 4 out but still the rest to go, can only hope that it all goes according to plan, will be a huge relief once they are all out. Really had my doubts about doing it this way and will be concerned  till the last one walks out,  will be keeping my fingers crossed they are all ok

[webfact]

Australian is key member of team battling to save the lives of boys in the cave

 

Picture: Thai Rath

 

Britain's The Guardian newspaper reported that an experienced South Australian anaesthetist and diving expert was a key member of the team working to free the boys and their coach at the Tham Luang cave.

 

Full story:  https://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/1047271-australian-is-key-member-of-team-battling-to-save-the-lives-of-boys-in-the-cave/

[NanLaew]

23 minutes ago, holy cow cm said:

Unfortunately bad planning by the shot callers not being on top of the air tanks. Hate to have them run a business I was a part of. At least no new dead. I thought it should have started latest by Saturday with the cleanest clear of weather windows and been 1 -13 one after the other till out. Thai time. Can't wait to hear the next round of good news. On another fact, the caves are pitch dark therefore no daytime is needed to start any operation as it doesn't matter except to the ones who sleep at night. 

What's your issue with the air tanks? There was no trial run to assess air tank redundancy; it was a hot-start mission. This isn't a 'business', it is a rescue mission.

 

So you would have all the kids in the water, on a first blind-run? What if there was a physical or technical issue at the front of the 'convoy' on this untested extraction plan?

 

There are enough rescue divers and dive support to make this a 24/7 extraction but you forget that the kids and the coach have been trapped underground for over 2 weeks in total darkness so their normal circadian rhythms will be all over the shop. They are the ones that don't have a well-rested backup team 'on-shift' when the rescue divers get them ready for diving out. They will go when the Australian Navy SEAL doctor who has been with them since shortly after their discovery says they are ready to go.

 

Otherwise your 20/20 hindsight and arrogance is appreciated.

Edited July 9, 2018 by NanLaew

[whaleboneman]

I doubt it was bad planning. I don't think they can be replenishing tanks while divers are bringing the team out. And from the video I have seen, taking tanks in is a very slow process.

Also, most people sleep at night.

[HHTel]

27 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

It has been reported that the coach was the fourth one out as he was one of the weakest, he didn't eat any of the food brought with them, leaving the boys toeat it all instead.

As far as I can tell, the BP is the only one with this story. Not mentioned on any of the Thai media or indeed any foreign media.  There has been so much misinformation around that I'll wait and see.

[Megasin1]

It's great news that they are getting them out. Maybe it's my personal paranoia but to me it seems like something is afoot. The fact that they are in 3 days of isolation when the operation is expected to last 2 days, even from their parents, suggests that they are doing something that they don't want the world to know about until it's all over. The only thing I can think of is that they are knocking them out for the trip out. I may of course be wrong but it just seems to me that they are trying to keep something quiet until they have them all out.

[maxcorrigan]

2 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

It's great news that they are getting them out. Maybe it's my personal paranoia but to me it seems like something is afoot. The fact that they are in 3 days of isolation when the operation is expected to last 2 days, even from their parents, suggests that they are doing something that they don't want the world to know about until it's all over. The only thing I can think of is that they are knocking them out for the trip out. I may of course be wrong but it just seems to me that they are trying to keep something quiet until they have them all out.

So far as i understand two of them walked out!

[Sheryl]

I doubt it was bad planning. I don't think they can be replenishing tanks while divers are bringing the team out. And from the video I have seen, taking tanks in is a very slow process.
Also, most people sleep at night.

+1

And mental and physical fatigue among rescuers can be fatal. Rescue 101 is to guard against this and not allow people in key jobs needing extreme precision to work too many hours straight without rest.

Astounding to me that even now there are posters sure that silly mistakes are being made and that they personally know better how it should be done.

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[neeray]

1 minute ago, Megasin1 said:

It's great news that they are getting them out. Maybe it's my personal paranoia but to me it seems like something is afoot. The fact that they are in 3 days of isolation when the operation is expected to last 2 days, even from their parents, suggests that they are doing something that they don't want the world to know about until it's all over. The only thing I can think of is that they are knocking them out for the trip out. I may of course be wrong but it just seems to me that they are trying to keep something quiet until they have them all out.

Might you be a conspiracy theorist ?

I think they're just milking the climax for all it's worth. Damn smart those Thais. Make hay when the sun shines.

[fake farang]

10 hours ago, janclaes47 said:

I think it was mentioned that even the parents would not be allowed to visit them for the first 3 days or so, while they are in the controlled environment room.

They do not reveal even names of those rescued in order not to add anxiety to parents of the ones still trapped.

[HHTel]

I've just been reading that even the parents of the boys rescued yesterday have not been told.  An official on Thai TV has said that they're not releasing their names to even the parents as they're worried for the reactions of the parents whose children are still trapped!

[mike324]

I think its great that Thailand is letting 13 international diving specialist lead and assist with the rescue and only 5 of the Thais who are less experience with this type of rescue.

[fake farang]

3 hours ago, Get Real said:

It´s a pitty and a disgrace to the country when they have to take away good people doing a great work. Let´s hope this cave rescue becomes 100% successful, and they get the pressure from the people to take him back.

He still heads the rescue operation.

[geriatrickid]

6 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

It's great news that they are getting them out. Maybe it's my personal paranoia but to me it seems like something is afoot. The fact that they are in 3 days of isolation when the operation is expected to last 2 days, even from their parents, suggests that they are doing something that they don't want the world to know about until it's all over. The only thing I can think of is that they are knocking them out for the trip out. I may of course be wrong but it just seems to me that they are trying to keep something quiet until they have them all out.

No.  The kids are already in a state of oxygen deprivation. Putting them under would kill them.  The MD who is  assessing the kids is an anaesthetist. As part of his specialty he is trained to recognize brain damage and to get air quality flows just right for a patient. He knows the right mix of air to keep these people alive.

 

The authorities are doing the right thing by keeping a tight lid on this. They are doing this out of respect to the parents of those still in the cave. The stress on these people is heavy and the disappointment when  it isn't their child coming out  is like a dagger in their hearts. Also, I expect that the kids are quite ill. 10 days without food drinking contaminated rock drippings and breathing  foul air.

[Megasin1]

4 minutes ago, neeray said:

Might you be a conspiracy theorist ?

I think they're just milking the climax for all it's worth. Damn smart those Thais. Make hay when the sun shines.

you could be right but not about me being a conspiracy theorist...lol...is it a coincidence that the Australian is an anaethatist ?

[Get Real]

1 minute ago, fake farang said:

He still heads the rescue operation.

Yes, sure he does. Nobody wants that resposibility. If it was a sure thing they would have been taking that away from him too. I meant the post as probably the only honest official as governor in Thailand.

[Rhys]

waY TO gO...ALL THE BEST

 

[ozzydom]

2 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

you could be right but not about me being a conspiracy theorist...lol...is it a coincidence that the Australian is an anaethatist ?

How many anaethatists  just happen to be cave diving experts?

[berybert]

2 minutes ago, ozzydom said:

How many anaethatists  just happen to be cave diving experts?

I think they meant atheist.

It's nice to know someone in there isn't relying on prayers to get the guys out. 

[geriatrickid]

4 minutes ago, Megasin1 said:

you could be right but not about me being a conspiracy theorist...lol...is it a coincidence that the Australian is an anaethatist ?

Are you aware that people die from anaesthesia and that it is a highly risky procedure? It  is the reason why surgeons do their utmost to use local anaesthesia.

As I explained above,  the  physician  doesn't just give drugs to put people under. He is a specialist in understanding the best mix of air for a person because he can measure some vital signs and even do tests to determine the oxygen levels in the blood. He might provide a mild sedative to a child in a state of panic, but even that is a dangerous procedure as one needs the coherent and awake to follow instructions and to breath normally. Any cessation of breathing will result in a burst lung as the air will be trapped and will expand as the child surfaces and the water pressure drops.

[orchidfan]

12 hours ago, doremifasol said:

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Great news!!! Nine more to go.

Keep my fingers crossed.

 

 

Reports I have read today say one of the 4 was the coach....so 3 boys and the coach rescued?

[Megasin1]

3 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Are you aware that people die from anaesthesia and that it is a highly risky procedure? It  is the reason why surgeons do their utmost to use local anaesthesia.

precisely why if I was running this operation I would lock it down until it was all over. When it is all over nobody will care. You can add up many things like their swimming and diving ability and the safety of the rescuers, the black out and finally the parents lock out and come to your own conclusions. 

[geriatrickid]

Good grief. Seriously.......

 

[newnative]

3 minutes ago, orchidfan said:

Reports I have read today say one of the 4 was the coach....so 3 boys and the coach rescued?

That is what the Bangkok Post is reporting. Apparently the coach was brought out because he was deemed one of the weaker ones.  Weak or not, I think the coach should have been last out, only after all the boys he was responsible for had been taken out.  

[varun]

Bravo, may the rest of the group be rescued without incidence.

[Megasin1]

3 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

Good grief. Seriously.......

 

well geriatrikid....I dunno where you hail from but consider this....in your country do you think they could successfully keep the parents away without massive consequences ?

[NanLaew]

29 minutes ago, Get Real said:

Yes, sure he does. Nobody wants that resposibility. If it was a sure thing they would have been taking that away from him too. I meant the post as probably the only honest official as governor in Thailand.

Chiang Rai's loss will be Phayao's gain.

[tingtongtourist]

Just now, newnative said:

That is what the Bangkok Post is reporting. Apparently the coach was brought out because he was deemed one of the weaker ones.  Weak or not, I think the coach should have been last out, only after all the boys he was responsible for had been taken out.  

I think if all them healthy than that could have been the case.

The guy sacrificed his own health to give the boys all the food so if he is in a bad way why shouldnt he get treatment quickly.

[Just1Voice]

13 minutes ago, newnative said:

That is what the Bangkok Post is reporting. Apparently the coach was brought out because he was deemed one of the weaker ones.  Weak or not, I think the coach should have been last out, only after all the boys he was responsible for had been taken out.  

From all the reports I've read, this coach gave up his own food and water for the boys.  He kept them together and tried his best to keep their spirits up.  In other words, he sacrificed his own health to help these boys.  

But you have some sort of childish, petty vndictiveness that would rather see him stay till last, and possibly die because it was "his fault" they were in there in the first place. 

 

You must live a miserable life full of disappointments.

 

Edited July 9, 2018 by Just1Voice

[NanLaew]

6 minutes ago, newnative said:

That is what the Bangkok Post is reporting. Apparently the coach was brought out because he was deemed one of the weaker ones.  Weak or not, I think the coach should have been last out, only after all the boys he was responsible for had been taken out.  

But he was physically too weak as he had given all the food he brought on the ill-timed camping mission to the boys. I can imagine of any of the 13 trapped, the coach will be the one having the worst  nightmares, PTSD or whatever as he is totally aware that he was solely responsible for what happened.

 

If there was a problem with the extraction plan and it took much longer to complete the mission and the coach had died, some here may have relished the som nam nah of it all.

 

The SEAL doctor made the correct call.