Thai boys await resumption of rescue mission after first four freed from cave

[Lampang2]

just posting a tweet:
 

Saksith Saiyasombut retweeted
	Kayleigh E. Long @ayleighk	4h
	someone needs to mansplain to MUSK that there are 1. bends in the tunnel 2. sections that narrow to 15 inches 3. the rescue is underway already dude

 
 
 

Won't affect his marketing campaign.

[cmsally]

#หมูป่าแห่งถ้ำหลวง?‏ @pktk2543 7m7 minutes ago

 

 

Officially confirmed: The second rescue round began at 11 am (GMT +7) today. expecting the first man to come out around 8 pm. #ThamLuang #ThaiCaveRescue

[Brunolem]

3 minutes ago, cmsally said:

#หมูป่าแห่งถ้ำหลวง?‏ @pktk2543 7m7 minutes ago

 

 

Officially confirmed: The second rescue round began at 11 am (GMT +7) today. expecting the first man to come out around 8 pm. #ThamLuang #ThaiCaveRescue

So that may be 6 pm if yesterday's performance (and timing) is repeated...

[heybuz]

41 minutes ago, Halfaboy said:

Has anybody an idea about the weight of an air / oxygen cylinder ?

 

Thanks ....

In pounds,35 for aluminium,30 for steel.

[CGW]

8 minutes ago, seajae said:

"Because steel is stronger and more ductile than aluminum, construction of a tank requires less steel than aluminum. This usually means that for an equal gas capacity, a steel tank will have a total weight less than an aluminum tank yet have better buoyancy characteristics. For example, the standard aluminum 80-cubic-foot tank weighs about 35 pounds, while similar capacity steel tanks weigh in at about 30 pounds."

Noted, thanks - never realised that, I did wonder why they never used composite tanks for diving but appears they also are no where near as good as steel, which surprised me.

[Sheryl]

They estimated last night it would take 12 hours, but it may have taken longer. I'm sure they haven't been sitting on their hands, but only so many people can fit down the tunnels. Also all the tanks had to be taken out to be refilled, so just a question of time vs people able to take them out/ in.
In places, they are wading through water up to their necks, with the tunnel roof just over their heads. Respect to those carrying.

Indeed. One of whom gave his life doing that.

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[webfact]

Air Force threatens legal action as drone flies near evacuation helicopter

By The Nation 

 

The Royal Thai Air Force is threatening legal action against the owner of a drone seen flying near a helicopter evacuating a rescued young footballer from the Tham Luang cave on Monday.

 

The drone was seen in a video clip flying near an MI-17 Royal Thai Army helicopter taking one of four rescued footballers to hospital.

 

TV station PPTV issued an apology on Monday afternoon for flying the drone.

 

Air Vice Marshal Pongsak Semchai, a spokesman for the Air Force and the deputy of its Civilian Affairs Department, said earlier on Monday that the and spokesman of the Air Force, said the Air Force would coordinate with the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand to take legal action against the drone owner.

 

Pongsak said the Air Force has checked with both the Wing 416 Command and the Third Air Logistic Support Command that is in charge of air traffic in the area, and learned that the owner had not received permission to fly the drone over the area.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30349657

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-07-09

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, Elkski said:

In the pictures I have seen it seems they are using mini tanks.  Not the 80 cf ones.  More slender than regular 60 minis I'm familiar with.  Maybe all this delay so little P can be present?

Of course, just slow it all down for the PM, why not.?

Are you for real? 

[Sheryl]

I understand that, but I don't believe that's the reason for the overnight break. If they had the supply they would have continued IMO. If they needed more divers they would have them. 

They don't want just any diver. They want world class cave divers with rescue experience. Very, very few such in the world and they are pretty much all on this team already.

They also want to stick with the same team that did it yesterday since tbey are seasoned now in the procedure.

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[KKr]

10 minutes ago, Lampang2 said:

Won't affect his marketing campaign.

one more paid for click just booked. with thanks.

[greenchair]

Apparently they started again at 1.45 today. 

They are bringing in groups of 4. 

4 4 and 1 I suppose. 

God speed boys and divers. 

[jerry921]

quoting from https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/thai-cave-rescue-operation-day-2-live-blog-10511516

reporting the press conference:

 

The four rescued boys are doing well in Chiang Rai hospital, says rescue chief Narongsak at a news conference. This morning they were hungry and requested for spicy basil pork.

 

Despite the heavy rain yesterday, the rescue team can still handle the situation.

Rainwater, which continues to be drained, has not jeopardised the rescue operation, Narongsak assures.  

He added that water levels may have changed in the last 10 hours and that they are trying to identify the source and flow of water into the caves. 

[HooHaa]

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

 

Seems from the reports they have all of this well organized considering the whole circumstances.

 

Do you have any real information or data on this subject? If not then why are you commenting at all?

 

 

If a clue were a prerequisite this thread would be barren indeed.

[NCC1701A]

4 minutes ago, greenchair said:

Apparently they started again at 1.45 today. 

They are bringing in groups of 4. 

4 4 and 1 I suppose. 

God speed boys and divers. 

they started at 11AM today. look for more info anytime after 16:00

Edited July 9, 2018 by NCC1701A

[jerry921]

20 minutes ago, jerry921 said:

And another tweet, this one a ThaiVisa retweet. Current time is about 3:30 pm in Thailand if I've looked it up properly, so we might be getting some news soon. The tweet is an hour old, so the ambulances would have arrived about 2 hours ago now.

 

Thaivisa retweeted
	Florian Witulski @vaitor	59m
	Three additional ambulances arrived at the cave about an hour ago. Further survivors are expected from 4pm local time onwards

I think the tweet must be incorrect as to the timing. I suspect the cause is the operation started later today than it did yesterday, so even if it goes faster they may come out later. The other posts are talking about 8 pm, not 4 pm.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, webfact said:

Air Force threatens legal action as drone flies near evacuation helicopter

By The Nation 

 

The Royal Thai Air Force is threatening legal action against the owner of a drone seen flying near a helicopter evacuating a rescued young footballer from the Tham Luang cave on Monday.

 

The drone was seen in a video clip flying near an MI-17 Royal Thai Army helicopter taking one of four rescued footballers to hospital.

 

TV station PPTV issued an apology on Monday afternoon for flying the drone.

 

Air Vice Marshal Pongsak Semchai, a spokesman for the Air Force and the deputy of its Civilian Affairs Department, said earlier on Monday that the and spokesman of the Air Force, said the Air Force would coordinate with the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand to take legal action against the drone owner.

 

Pongsak said the Air Force has checked with both the Wing 416 Command and the Third Air Logistic Support Command that is in charge of air traffic in the area, and learned that the owner had not received permission to fly the drone over the area.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30349657

 

-- © Copyright The Nation 2018-07-09

Seems that some lose their brains when the chance of a scoop is present. The possibility existed that the drone could have caused the helicopter to crash with death of all on board. Sad indeed.

[JAZZDOG]

42 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not just politics. Some are using the threads about the cave rescue to beat their drum about everything they don't like in Thailand.

I tried to read the closed thread after I left it last night to catch up, but I was so shocked and saddened by the many posting about irrelevant things like religion and criticizing Thai specifically and generally that I had to give up.

It's sad that so many are so bitter that they have to ruin threads that should be positive and informative.

I guess it's pointless asking people to keep their negativity for less serious subjects, as it never seems to work just asking people to be nice when posting, when they'd rather attack other people, religion, Thais and Thailand.

Just saying.

In that case we should all be sheeple marching to the same drumbeat never questioning authority. In this case the expert divers are performing what amounts to miracles everyday they have been in the water  Pointing out obvious flaws in operations or lack thereof  initiated by command and control should not be viewed as negative but as observations that could have been improved upon. Initially the underwater extraction was viewed as the most risky of all options. Ideally one would seek a way that all  could be done to keep as many options on the table as possible. Questioning authority if all measures were not implemented to keep as many options open as possible is just as legit as asking why authorities didn't have a sign up closing that cave from may1-nov1 or why there was no gate securing the entrance. It's a very slippery slope when people are chastised by the masses for questioning authority. 

[tropo]

15 minutes ago, Spock said:

 Why so many questions? Why not just accept that events are moving as fast as they can and that every effort is being made to evacuate the boys from the cave? Some people are just never satisfied and have to question everything. Jai yen yen. Accept that you were not chosen for the rescue mission and move on.

1

I'm not asking questions, so there's no need to be a d***h about it. I'm just putting in my 2 cents worth just as you and everyone else is... so you can move on now... whatever that's supposed to mean.

[transam]

21 minutes ago, tropo said:

I agree. I've done hundreds of ocean dives, but never tried cave diving. It's the most dangerous type of diving by far and I've never liked the idea of being trapped in a tunnel in small spaces. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the rescue divers are not experienced in cave diving. 

It seems farang guys from all over the world with cave experience are at the fore to do their thing......

[RT555]

18 hours ago, roo860 said:

So what mode of fast transportation do you recommend for the transfer? Don't say ambulance because someone says other vehicles might not yeild to the emergency vehicle.

 

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4 hours ago, Basil B said:

When...

 

also need to make the park or land owners accountable.

There is a sign  in front of the "DANGER", Cave is closed due to flooding July to February. Charge the smart witted coach. 

[tropo]

21 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

They don't want just any diver. They want world class cave divers with rescue experience. Very, very few such in the world and they are pretty much all on this team already.

They also want to stick with the same team that did it yesterday since tbey are seasoned now in the procedure.

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They have many factors to consider and balance out. We don't know what teams they are using or if they are the same ones and how often they repeat dive... I didn't see any details about that. There's also the urgency of time and the ever-present danger of flooding.

Edited July 9, 2018 by tropo

[transam]

1 minute ago, RT555 said:

 

There is a sign  in front of the "DANGER", Cave is closed due to flooding July to February. Charge the smart witted coach. 

They went in for a bit of fun in June..You just woke up....?

[berybert]

1 minute ago, RT555 said:

 

There is a sign  in front of the "DANGER", Cave is closed due to flooding July to February. Charge the smart witted coach. 

They went into the cave in June. 

Charge the slow witted poster.

[lamyai3]

28 minutes ago, rabas said:

More likely they purchased a product without knowing how to use it.

Bad workmen and tools spring to mind...

[jerry921]

We had some arguments yesterday about the issue of quarantining the boys. In the press conference today it was confirmed:
 

The boys are also being kept away from relatives because of infections concerns, says the chief of the rescue mission. 

"They (the four) will be kept away from their parents for a while because we are concerned about infections," Narongsak Osottanakorn told reporters, adding doctors will decide on family visits "at a distance or through glass."

 

The reports that I saw didn't explain precisely what infections they were afraid of spreading to relatives....

[sjeng]

4 minutes ago, RT555 said:

 

There is a sign  in front of the "DANGER", Cave is closed due to flooding July to February. Charge the smart witted coach. 

they went into the cave in june so no warning

[jerry921]

7 minutes ago, RT555 said:

 

There is a sign  in front of the "DANGER", Cave is closed due to flooding July to February. Charge the smart witted coach. 

I can't believe we're relitigating this yet again.

[tifino]

1 minute ago, sjeng said:

they went into the cave in june so no warning

 yeah it's a bit like accusing a driver of going thru a Red light, when he's really running a light just turned Amber

 - still just as dangerous, yet not completely illegal

[Brunolem]

3 minutes ago, tropo said:

They have many factors to consider and balance out. We don't know what teams they are using or if they are the same ones and how often the repeat dive... I didn't see any details about that. There's also the urgency of time and the ever-present danger of flooding.

It seems that 4 divers remain with the children, probably to prepare the 4 children to be evacuated.

Then 2 accompany the children for the first underwater part, and another 2 for the second underwater part.

The remainder are there to provide help if necessary...

[JAZZDOG]

3 minutes ago, RT555 said:

 

There is a sign  in front of the "DANGER", Cave is closed due to flooding July to February. Charge the smart witted coach. 

The coach knew what day it was and it was not july 1. Such a dangerous place should have been posted closed and SECURED from may 1 till nov 1 or when rain was forecast. That's not the coach's job, it's the governments job to insure the publics safety ie; traffic safety , helmet laws.