A crime or a right? Some Danish Muslims defy face veil ban

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Subject to the Rule of Law

No different if a premises has a sign that says, "no shirt, no shoes, no service". Why not a sign saying "no burkas"?

[simple1]

3 minutes ago, giddyup said:

No different if a premises has a sign that says, "no shirt, no shoes, no service". Why not a sign saying "no burkas"?

Subject to the Rule of Law

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.  

 

[bristolboy]

7 hours ago, giddyup said:

No different if a premises has a sign that says, "no shirt, no shoes, no service". Why not a sign saying "no burkas"?

For one thing, that sign could be justified on the basis of public health. For another, that sign would be found in a private establishment - not a public space.

[giddyup]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

For one thing, that sign could be justified on the basis of public health. For another, that sign would be found in a private establishment - not a public space.

13 countries have banned it to date, that's a good start.

[The manic]

On 8/2/2018 at 2:54 AM, Bluespunk said:

It’s a veil not a mask. 

Its a full face veil that masks the face. And the idea of "Expressing Identity " by suppressing a person's identity behind a mask and identical uniforms is simply stupid.

[The manic]

On 8/2/2018 at 1:00 AM, Bluespunk said:

And who exactly are these women, defending their right to choose, imposing the veil upon?

 

Oh and if you read the article you will see some of those interviewed are Danish born citizens.

 

Not “guests” (whatever that means) but citizens defending their right to choose. 

Useful idiots

[The manic]

On 8/2/2018 at 1:38 AM, Bluespunk said:

The women born in Denmark and having Danish citizenship are Danish. 

 

To judge citizenship on faith, ethnicity or colour is wrong. 

 

All citizens have the right to protest their rights. 

 

To deny this right on the on the grounds of colour or faith is also wrong. 

Its not a religious statement. Its a political statement from militant culturally colonizing, Islamofascism

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, The manic said:

Its a full face veil that masks the face. And the idea of "Expressing Identity " by suppressing a person's identity behind a mask and identical uniforms is simply stupid.

If it’s their choice, it’s no ones business but their own.

[Bluespunk]

7 minutes ago, The manic said:

Useful idiots

Ah, the voice of western intellectual reason. 

 

Rousseau would be so proud. 

[Bluespunk]

10 minutes ago, The manic said:

Its not a religious statement. Its a political statement from militant culturally colonizing, Islamofascism

I don’t care if it’s political or religious (though I never said it was a religious statement), if it’s a freely made choice to wear a veil then it is wrong to ban it. 

 

The rest of your post is not worthy of comment. 

 

However, I’d know a fascist if I saw one...

Edited August 16, 2018 by Bluespunk

[lemonjelly]

These women are demanding the right to wear a face veil because the religious leaders (male) tell them that they have to..... they are demanding the right to be oppressed. There are brave women in Saudi Arabia who are taking a stand against this, risking beatings from religious police. The concerned women in Denmark should ask themselves, “do I have the right not to wear a veil that covers my face, does my husband or imam have the right to tell me to cover my face?”

 

 

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[The manic]

23 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don’t care if it’s political or religious (though I never said it was a religious statement), if it’s a freely made choice to wear a veil then it is wrong to ban it. 

 

The rest of your post is not worthy of comment. 

 

However, I’d know a fascist if I saw one...

After 30 years in 10 different Muslims countries I know more than you about Muslims, Islam, political Islam, the conditions of women and Muslim men, equally stunted by rote learning superstitious gibberish with heart hitting and head jerking to reinforce what is basically brainwashing. I first really started to study Islam in 75 in Iran although I had been in Kashmir,  Pakistan and Afghanistan before. My knowledge is based on experience not ideogical beliefs.

Edited August 16, 2018 by The manic

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, The manic said:

After 30 years in 10 different Muslims countries I know more than you about Muslims, Islam, political Islam, the conditions of women and Muslim men, equally stunted by wrote learning superstitious gibberish with heart hitting and head jerking to reinforce what is basically brainwashing. I first really started to study Islam in 75 in Iran although I had been in Kashmir,  Pakistan and Afghanistan before. My knowledge is based on experience not ideogical beliefs.

I’ve lived and worked in the Middle East, in the upper east region of Ghana and in Muslim majority communities in the U.K.  

 

I’ve taught Muslim children and interacted with their parents all my working life (30 years now).

 

Don't try to tell me you know more than me, because you don’t. 

 

Don’t tell me your experience is more valuable than mine, because it’s not. 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Bluespunk

[bristolboy]

59 minutes ago, lemonjelly said:

These women are demanding the right to wear a face veil because the religious leaders (male) tell them that they have to..... they are demanding the right to be oppressed. There are brave women in Saudi Arabia who are taking a stand against this, risking beatings from religious police. The concerned women in Denmark should ask themselves, “do I have the right not to wear a veil that covers my face, does my husband or imam have the right to tell me to cover my face?”

 

 

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Another post by a mind reader. Or should I say a minds reader. Since apparently by your reckoning they all think exactly alike.

Edited August 16, 2018 by bristolboy

[giddyup]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

If it’s their choice, it’s no ones business but their own.

Do these women expect to find jobs in a western, civilised society, or are they happy to live off a generous welfare system all their lives? I can't imagine how employable they would be in a western society. I know muslims in Australia are disproportionately unemployed to more than 50% of their numbers. Be interesting to know how many are burka wearers.

[The manic]

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Another post by a mind reader. Or should I say a minds reader. Since apparently by your reckoning they all think exactly alike.

By and large as a result of rote learning without critical thinking, all learning the same rubbish and believing it...They do all think the same. Islam is a homogeneous culture not heterogeneous. Anyone who does think different is classified as appostate and can be killed by fatwa.  The killer will go to Paradise.

[The manic]

3 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Ah, the voice of western intellectual reason. 

 

Rousseau would be so proud. 

"Usefully idiots " was the phrase coined by Beria, Stalin's head of security, torturer, rapist and paedophile.  He used the term to describe Communist Party and Soviet Union sympathisers in Europe in the 30s and 40. Today The liberals who support Islamic fundamentalist women are "Usefull idiots" being manipulated by Islamic extremists.  Learn some history please.

[Bluespunk]

3 hours ago, giddyup said:

Do these women expect to find jobs in a western, civilised society, or are they happy to live off a generous welfare system all their lives? I can't imagine how employable they would be in a western society. I know muslims in Australia are disproportionately unemployed to more than 50% of their numbers. Be interesting to know how many are burka wearers.

You know this?

 

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-04/fact-check-muslim-workforce/9800656

 

In addition I don’t care what the unemployed wear, so no, it wouldn’t be interesting to know. 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, The manic said:

"Usefully idiots " was the phrase coined by Beria, Stalin's head of security, torturer, rapist and paedophile.  He used the term to describe Communist Party and Soviet Union sympathisers in Europe in the 30s and 40. Today The liberals who support Islamic fundamentalist women are "Usefull idiots" being manipulated by Islamic extremists.  Learn some history please.

So now you are using the words of a man responsible for mass murder and campaigns of terror to back up your own agenda?

 

Don’t lecture me on history. I know all about Stalin’s regime in the ussr. It was a major part of my degree.

 

In addition, I don’t care who said it.

 

Your linking Stalin’s regime to modes of dress, like so much else you post, is based on the agenda you wish to be promote, rather than what is true.

Edited August 16, 2018 by Bluespunk

[giddyup]

35 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You know this?

 

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-04/fact-check-muslim-workforce/9800656

 

In addition I don’t care what the unemployed wear, so no, it wouldn’t be interesting to know. 

 

36 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

You know this?

 

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2018-06-04/fact-check-muslim-workforce/9800656

 

In addition I don’t care what the unemployed wear, so no, it wouldn’t be interesting to know. 

You mean permanently unemployed, or should I say unemployable. You're very generous with your tax dollars, or are you just happy that someone else foots the bill?

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, giddyup said:

 

You mean permanently unemployed, or should I say unemployable. You're very generous with your tax dollars, or are you just happy that someone else foots the bill?

I mean no such thing. 

 

Say what you wish, it doesn’t make it true. 

Edited August 16, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Scott]

Offensive post and reply removed.  

[kannot]

On 8/2/2018 at 6:16 AM, webfact said:

freedom of religion and expression.

Then she wont mind at all will she when I do my cartoons of Merrrrrhammed?

[kannot]

On 8/2/2018 at 10:34 AM, Bluespunk said:

Women should be free to choose to wear a veil if they wish

Thats fine if they "really" are making that choice and not being coerced by  their male led society.

[kannot]

On 8/5/2018 at 3:16 PM, cmsally said:

it would be a pretty extreme form of child abuse.

Just as  are  ALL religions including Christianity, all are vile child abuse, telling kids that a  big man in the sky made everything without a shred of evidence.

If they werent indoctrinated at birth..........(how sick is a  christening) religion would most likely be dead on its lying feet.

[bristolboy]

23 minutes ago, kannot said:

Then she wont mind at all will she when I do my cartoons of Merrrrrhammed?

Her minding matters no more and no less than yours if you are offended by what she wears.

[kannot]

49 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Her minding matters no more and no less than yours if you are offended by what she wears.

im  not offended at  all but it has to be  removed before entering a bank/gas station etc etc or  other area that requests it, the question is  if i print  my cartoons of mohamed??????? after all  if she wants religious freedoms, its  swings  both ways

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, kannot said:

im  not offended at  all but it has to be  removed before entering a bank/gas station etc etc or  other area that requests it, the question is  if i print  my cartoons of mohamed??????? after all  if she wants religious freedoms, its  swings  both ways

And she is going to stop you how?

[DILLIGAD]

im  not offended at  all but it has to be  removed before entering a bank/gas station etc etc or  other area that requests it, the question is  if i print  my cartoons of mohamed??????? after all  if she wants religious freedoms, its  swings  both ways

I’m not sure that it does?


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