'Dark-skinned people' targeted in Thailand immigrant crackdown

[Esso49]

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

No need for such an attitude , can we a civil discussion without the  "Oh for goodness sake"s ?

Apologies but it does become frustrating when people counter the argument in their  reply having overlooked the obvious, do you not agree ?  But we digress so just let the post get back on topic

[sanemax]

5 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

Apologies but it does become frustrating when people counter the argument in their  reply having overlooked the obvious, do you not agree ?  But we digress so just let the post get back on topic

As far as I'm aware , it was solely Indians who got expelled from Uganda and then went to the UK , so it would be highly improbable for an African Uganda to have a UK passport after being expelled from Uganda

[Esso49]

4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

As far as I'm aware , it was solely Indians who got expelled from Uganda and then went to the UK , so it would be highly improbable for an African Uganda to have a UK passport after being expelled from Uganda

Last time and no more pls, we are off topic .Families too as I already reported. Whilst minimal there were some. Those Indian Ugandans mostly already had British passports.  This occurred during the 1970's so hence was  prior to  the British Nationality Act of 1981. Up until that time those people married to British Citizen could obtain British Nationality by virtue of marriage to same.  Hence my earlier comment "given free British passports".  So going back to what I correctly stated in my earlier post "are you sure they were not Ugandans with British passports"

[sanemax]

10 minutes ago, Esso49 said:

So going back to what I correctly stated in my earlier post "are you sure they were not Ugandans with British passports"

99 % certain, yes

[stanleycoin]

2 hours ago, Esso49 said:

Would appreciate if you could send a link to a site showing the statistics please for comparison purposes. 

No statistics,   just a few years of personal experience, but must admit,  it's been

about 10-12  years from the last time I got a machine gun or rifle put in my face,

buy some nice police man or nice army guy, wanting money.

but hey,   I could be just out of date,  maybe it's better now days.  

I love west Africa 

Edited October 22, 2018 by stanleycoin

[ivor bigun]

I agree with this but there are some uncomfortable truths critics of "stop and search" type police tactics have to think about. Take London as an example
 
In the twentieth century the main grounds on which the Met is accused of racism is that black men make up a much higher proportion of the people stopped and searched by police officers than any other ethnic group.
The Equality Commission and indeed all "right-thinking people" assume that such a practice shows that officers must be covertly racist.
But the disproportionate number of black men identified by victims as perpetrators demonstrates that racism need not have anything to do with it: when the victim identifies the assailant as a black male, it is logical, indeed necessary, for officers to start investigating black suspects.
That may lead them to stop and search black males who are in the vicinity and who have other characteristics identified by the victim.
Officers from the Met could, of course, stop and search old white women or middle-aged Asian mothers instead.
That might end the “disproportionality”. It would also be totally useless as a way of identifying and catching the people responsible for street crime.

I know its very racist to say that more crime seems to be carried out by Black people,but reading the UK newspapers every day the pictures of the people commiting the crimes does seem to be mainly young black or brown people,sorry if thats not PC ,but thats the facts.,also look at the pictures of the people who have been done for fraud over the Grenville Tower blaze,not exactly "native British people"are they?

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[MJKT2014]

7 minutes ago, ivor bigun said:

I know its very racist to say

So why say it? They are all simply people like you and me.

[ivor bigun]

So why say it? They are all simply people like you and me.

Your dead right,but there are good and bad people,and many in the UK seem to be of the bad variety,why is that do you think?

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[Vacuum]

1 hour ago, madmitch said:

the Thai Muslim lady whom I was about to see just shouted at him "We don't want your kind of people in our country!" 

Perhaps this lady memorized this phrase being shouted at her, from her visits to western countries?

[ratcatcher]

2 hours ago, happy chappie said:

I wish people would stop complaining about racism.i have to endure it every day of the week here in Thailand.treated like shit by most policemen because I am white.i get over charged because I am white,when dealing with the people in amphur I get shoved to the back of the queue because I am white.i stay away from Thais that get drunk because I could end up the target of violence because I am white.i need to have extra security at home because I am white.im starting to understand what it was like to be a negro in the 60s in southern America but I just have to live with it because I am white.when you look at the bigger picture Asia,Africa and the Middle East are the main and majority of racists on this planet by far.it seems the majority of black people here are up to no good and illegal immigrants and where as the majority of whites are lawfully here and adding to the economy and employment of Thailand.if the shoe was on the other foot and whites were the problem and targeted then so be it.lock em up and throw them out.

My god, you have my deepest sympathy for your dire predicament and treatment. What part of Thailand are you located that the citizens treat you in such an unfair manner. Do you invite this derision?

You are definitely in a tiny minority, as i am sure most people find the average Thai person to be quite amenable and cooperative. Shop staff are invariably polite as are service personnel and for the most part civil servants. 

A lot depends on one's attitude and demeanor. However perhaps you should change your handle to unhappy chappie?

BTW, you are lucky to see so many policemen, I would have to go to the main police stations and knock on doors to find one up here, or maybe one sleeping in a gold shop.

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by ratcatcher

[iamsano]

its not something new. Are dark skinned different from other foreigners??? 

[ratcatcher]

8 minutes ago, iamsano said:

its not something new. Are dark skinned different from other foreigners??? 

Yes.

[Curmudgeon1]

That's like having muslims walk through airport screening while old caucasian ladies are being strip search.

[Raymonddiaz]

Question: Is Thailand a racist country? Answer : Yes it is. Why: Lack of education. 

 

[robsamui]

2 hours ago, madmitch said:

A few years ago I was renewing my visa in Singapore. I was behind an African in the queue. The lady at the desk just wasn't interested in doing anything for this guy and as he eventually walked away from the desk with a stampless passport in his hand the Thai Muslim lady whom I was about to see just shouted at him "We don't want your kind of people in our country!" 

 

I don't know exactly what she meant by "your kind of people" but I can make an educated guess!

He wasn't holding a passport. It was a note for a certified stock issue worth $3 million which was being held by the Bank of Abuja and he needed her signature to get it released.

[Pattaya46]

14 minutes ago, Raymonddiaz said:

Question: Is Thailand a racist country? Answer : Yes it is. Why: Lack of education. 

Yes there is racism in Thailand, as in (nearly?) all countries,

but the level of racism is nowhere near of some western countries, such as USA.

Not a racism action when most of "nabbing criminals" are Nigerian or Ugandan.

Edited October 22, 2018 by Pattaya46

[robsamui]

27 minutes ago, Raymonddiaz said:

Question: Is Thailand a racist country? Answer : Yes it is. Why: Lack of education. 

 

Agreed. Whenever the subject has come up - either in conversation or by attitudes displayed - every Thai person involved has been open in their dislike of 'chocolate people'. They've never heard of 'racism' and are puzzled as to why it might be considered undesirable, as it seems perfectly natural to them.

Edited October 22, 2018 by robsamui

[yellowboat]

As along as they do not discriminate against dark skinned Thais.  The popularity of skin whitener is just an unrelated coincidence.

5 hours ago, webfact said:

'Dark-skinned people' targeted

Very few people on this forum would find this statement surprising.

[overherebc]

4 hours ago, overherebc said:

????????

Just to add there was a story in the 70's that Idi wrote to the Queen stating that he was going to change the postage stamps bearing her image to stamps with his image.

The Queen replied that in that case they would remove his image from the UK jam jars.

[wombat]

6 hours ago, darksidedog said:

"The suspicious targets are the dark-skinned people," shouted an officer.
Read more at https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/thailand-immigration-dark-skinned-x-ray-outlaw-foreigner-10848930

I think that pretty much confirms it. Dark skinned people may or may not be more likely to commit crime, but it seems they are far more likely to get pulled by the cops, based not on what they are doing, but simply their colour.

Seems like immigration are trying to score some cheap points with the populace with such actions, simultaneously reinforcing their stereotype mind sets.

if the cap fits....

 

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, Raymonddiaz said:

Question: Is Thailand a racist country? Answer : Yes it is. Why: Lack of education. 

 

Question: Is your home country a racist country? Answer : Yes it is. Why: Lack of education. 

[BigT73]

6 hours ago, Darcula said:

   

Fame, at last. Chai-yo! 

Considering how many lovely ladies are named Porn,  Thailand should be known as Pornhub.

[348GTS]

3 hours ago, ivor bigun said:

I know its very racist to say that more crime seems to be carried out by Black people, but reading the UK newspapers every day the pictures of the people commiting the crimes does seem to be mainly young black or brown people,sorry if thats not PC ,but thats the facts.,also look at the pictures of the people who have been done for fraud over the Grenville Tower blaze,not exactly "native British people"are they?

 

Actually, not racist at all. Facts and statistics by definition can not be racist. Don't allow yourself to be intimidated by the PC / left wing media thought police.

 

[Joe Mcseismic]

1 hour ago, robsamui said:

Agreed. Whenever the subject has come up - either in conversation or by attitudes displayed - every Thai person involved has been open in their dislike of 'chocolate people'. They've never heard of 'racism' and are puzzled as to why it might be considered undesirable, as it seems perfectly natural to them.

Indians get an even worse rap.

[KhunFred]

Imagine that. Next thing you know, "people of influence" will be jailed for insulting the highest institution.

[Penicillin]

3 hours ago, stanleycoin said:

No statistics,   just a few years of personal experience, but must admit,  it's been

about 10-12  years from the last time I got a machine gun or rifle put in my face,

buy some nice police man or nice army guy, wanting money.

but hey,   I could be just out of date,  maybe it's better now days.  

I love west Africa 

I had a similar experience in Accra some years ago. Soldiers with no shoestrings in their sneakers that use their AK-47 to point where to go are not a real confidence builder. 

[Lupatria]

That's pretty bad news for all the 'snowbirds' from Europe who come here in the winter time to get a nice tan. And if it is a promotion attempt for the whitening products, I would say both strategies fail to boost tourism- as usual here. 

[Gecko123]

All these sweeps, spot checks, raids? All these police resources to root out - what - 7,000 people? Total overkill. You root out every single foreign criminal and overstayer, you still have the road carnage, high homicide rate, the methamphetamine epidemic, the shamefully dysfunctional public school system, and growing income inequality and rural poverty, all of which have absolutely nothing to do with foreigners. Focusing on immigration violations as being a major source of social ills is a distraction, deflecting attention from these homegrown social problems.

 

The raids on schools to purge those teaching without a work permit alone has probably set English proficiency back 10 years. The drumbeat of news reports about overstaying foreigners being arrested is contributing to increasingly negative attitudes towards foreigners. The drumbeat of news reports about African, black and non-white foreigners being arrested is also contributing to negative attitudes towards these groups, not only amongst the general Thai population, but encouraging the normalization of racist attitudes amongst the expat community.

 

As to the notion that purging 'dark-skinned people' will make Thailand a better place, may I respectfully remind the Thai authorities (and TVF members) that many, many Thais fit the description of 'dark-skinned.' And when you consider the contributions which black people have made to world culture, as well as athletic, academic, political, economic, and social achievement despite oppressive racial descrimination, Thais could learn a lot from black people.

 

The Thai authorities would also do well to keep in mind that the same people who want to bar Africans from crossing their home country borders (and are cheerleading Thailand's efforts to do the same), aren't any more enthusiastic about Thais entering their home countries either. Discriminating against darker-skinned foreigners may also encourage Thais to openly discriminate against darker-skinned Thais. The authorities may want to examine the impact this might have on Thailand's already fragile social fabric.

 

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by Gecko123

[bkkgriz]

If they are in fact asylum seekers then they would or should be registered as such. Overstaying one's visa is not equal to seeking political asylum. 

[brewsterbudgen]

Would that include people from Isaan or the deep south?

Yes. Most Thais have very low opinions of their dark-skinned compatriots.

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