Wheel and Tire Fail

[Fat Prophet]

I have a Toyota Camry with 16" rims and 215/16r60 tires. The wheels have 5 bolt holes. I bought a set of 17" wheels with 5 bolt holes, and had 215/17r55 tires mounted on them. The shop that sold me the wheels saw my Camry and raised no question/concern about the wheels fitting my car, only that I needed 17" tires. I thought I was all set to switch tires. When the shop went to install the new wheels and tires, the bolt holes did not align. They appeared to be off by 1 or 2 mm. I thought that the bolt pattern on all 4 bolt, 5 bolt wheels were the same; apparently I was wrong. The wheels that I bought have the Toyota emblem over the hub, and are marked "Toyota  Thailand" on the inside of the wheels. Is there a relatively inexpensive "fix" or is my best option to try to sell the replacement wheels and tires and start over? Thanks. FP 

Edited November 24, 2018 by Fat Prophet

[canthai55]

New wheels

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=92

USA site but tape measure works the same over here

[Coremouse]

There're spacer adaptor convert btween 5x100,5x114,5x120 etc. But good quality-hub centric ones arent cheap. 

 

Better off sell the wheels and research for proper one. Alot could go wrong with incompatible rims, for example bad offset could leads to caliper clearance issue or bearing wear. 

[Fat Prophet]

31 minutes ago, canthai55 said:

New wheels

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=92

USA site but tape measure works the same over here

Is that a "fix" or just a way to confirm what I already know -- that the 17" wheels that I have don't fit? 

[stubuzz]

1 hour ago, Fat Prophet said:

When the shop went to install the new wheels and tires, the bolt holes did not align.

And you still paid for them?

[Coremouse]

Could use adaptors like this: 

 

 

But:

1. Hub-centric spacers are expensive. Maybe difficult to find a correct one also (not only bolt pattern but centerhole diameter must match your car).

2. Large offset inevitable. 

3. Correct bolt pattern itself doesn't guarantee trouble-free fit, you must research youself through before decide...  

 

Edited November 24, 2018 by Coremouse

[Fat Prophet]

28 minutes ago, stubuzz said:

And you still paid for them?

I purchased and paid for the rims without tires, knowing I had to buy 17" tires before they could be mounted on my car. I had the wheels for several months before I got 17" tires, and then took them back to the same shop to have the tires mounted on the rims, balanced and the wheels put on my car, which they did at no extra charge (except that the wheels didn't fit). I guess that I could have tried to make the shop take back the wheels and refund my money, but my tires are now on the rims, and the chance of getting back my money seemed pretty slim. So, I just took my wheels and tires and left. TIT.  Any more questions?

[transam]

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[Fruit Trader]

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[canthai55]

3 hours ago, Fat Prophet said:

Is that a "fix" or just a way to confirm what I already know -- that the 17" wheels that I have don't fit? 

You asked ...

Is there a relatively inexpensive "fix" or is my best option to try to sell the replacement wheels and tires and start over?

I answered.

It is called due diligence.

 

[Jitar]

2 hours ago, Fat Prophet said:

I purchased and paid for the rims without tires, knowing I had to buy 17" tires before they could be mounted on my car. I had the wheels for several months before I got 17" tires, and then took them back to the same shop to have the tires mounted on the rims, balanced and the wheels put on my car, which they did at no extra charge (except that the wheels didn't fit). I guess that I could have tried to make the shop take back the wheels and refund my money, but my tires are now on the rims, and the chance of getting back my money seemed pretty slim. So, I just took my wheels and tires and left. TIT.  Any more questions?

You should at least try to swap the wheels for alternatives with the correct off set and bolt pattern to suit your car.  Removing the tyres is not a big deal.  

 

Any shop that sells wheels should know how to select compatible wheels.  Did they have an excuse as to why they sold you wheels that do not fit your car?

[stubuzz]

On 11/24/2018 at 3:32 PM, Fat Prophet said:

I guess that I could have tried to make the shop take back the wheels and refund my money, but my tires are now on the rims, and the chance of getting back my money seemed pretty slim. So, I just took my wheels and tires and left. TIT.  Any more questions?

Yes. So you didn't ask for your money back for the wheels or the tires that you just bought and assumed that the chances of a refund was slim.

[digbeth]

Your car probably uses 5x100pcd/bcd pattern, the wheel you got is probably 5x112pcd Toyotas uses both pattern but more recent cars are 5x100. 

 

aftermarket rims in 5x100pcd for Toyotas are rare, most shops just drill the hole a bit to fit, that's the cheap fix, if the shop is competent there shouldn't be any issue 

 

for expensive fix, adaptors or sell the wheel you have and try to get one that fit correctly

[Fat Prophet]

1 hour ago, digbeth said:

Your car probably uses 5x100pcd/bcd pattern, the wheel you got is probably 5x112pcd Toyotas uses both pattern but more recent cars are 5x100. 

 

aftermarket rims in 5x100pcd for Toyotas are rare, most shops just drill the hole a bit to fit, that's the cheap fix, if the shop is competent there shouldn't be any issue 

 

for expensive fix, adaptors or sell the wheel you have and try to get one that fit correctly

Thanks. A very helpful post. 

[Coremouse]

Doubt about modify existing holes. I would rather drill new holes for correct countersink.

[canthai55]

9 hours ago, digbeth said:

 if the shop is competent there shouldn't be any issue

Want to bet your life - or others - on said competency ?

[Fat Prophet]

Update: After letting the wheels and tires sit in my garage for almost 1 year, I ran over a curb and ruined 1 of the 16" Michelin tires that are on my car. I had the spare tire installed, but now needed to finish the job I had started over 1 year ago -- I had 4 new 17" tires sitting in my garage, so there was no reason to replace the damaged tire. I ran around yesterday afternoon and found 2 shops with very good, almost new second hand 17" wheels that will fit a Camry. I negotiated a price of B8250 for the 4 wheels, and then went home and got the other wheels and tires and went back to the shop. When he saw the mounted tires, he wanted B9,000 (B750 more) to take the tires off of the other wheels and mount and balance them on the wheels that I was buying from him. He also offered me (after some haggling) B6,000 to "transfer"/exchange, where he kept the other wheels, effectively giving me B3,000 for the other wheels. I didn't want the other wheels or the process of trying to sell them for close to what I paid for them, so I agreed. I paid B7,000 for the wheels that he kept, so my loss was B4,000; not a terribly expensive lesson. They did a great job installing the new wheels, and they look good on the car. Good ending to a not very good story....