Bredbury Blue Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 2/15/2020 at 1:00 PM, champers said: See you next season When you're down in League 2. Seriously, some "experts" are saying that City will be punished the same way as Rangers were in Scotland. Start again from the bottom. Bit harsh placing us in the fourth tier of the Scottish football league system, but nothing would surprise me at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said: I think he meant 'we are appalling' hey dont worry the championship ain't that bad...better hope your soccer washer dont throw his toys TOTALLY out the pram and decides his precious ego cant take any more damage ..and pulls the plug... you never know with these privilaged spoilt brat types. You seriously think someone would walk away from a club valued at 2bn. Don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 7 hours ago, mrbojangles said: Quote Once upon a time, there was a really prestigious football tournament called the European Cup, which was based on sporting excellence. It brought together outstanding teams from across the continent. To qualify teams first had to prove themselves by winning their own league, this truly was a competition for champions. With the glory though also came the opportunity for great wealth & eventually the principal of sporting excellence was overtaken by greed. The self-appointed elite of the time "the European Royalty" decided they wanted a greater share of the spoils & they wanted it guaranteed regardless of their performance! The grubby little cartel (later known as the G14) threatened to break away & form their own Super League, unless everyone else agreed to their demands! Feeling they had little choice, UEFA caved in & the"Champions" League was born. At the heart of this self-serving little cartel were 3 English clubs (Man United, Liverpool & Arsenal) & coincidentally the format of the new competition granted 3 places to English teams. It also changed from a straight knockout format to an initial group stage. So now not only could they still qualify by only finishing 2nd or 3rd in the Premier League, they were also guaranteed at least 6 lucrative fixtures each season. BOOM! The money started rolling in & the big 3 got fatter, as they disappeared over the horizon, leaving the rest of the league with little chance of ever challenging their increasing financial dominance! Then out of the blue, a wealthy Russian Oligarch, Roman Abramovich, rolled into town to bankroll Chelsea & gatecrash the party! With the gravy train now under threat, the greedy little threesome convinced UEFA to increase the English allocation to 4 places! Phew disaster averted, onwards & upwards, no harm done... That was until the "evil" Sheikh Mansour bought Manchester City with his unlimited "dirty oil money!"! Now with UEFA unable or unwilling to accommodate this latest unwelcome guest at the top table, a new strategy was required to preserve the dominance of the established elite. Without further a do, the "Financial Fair Play" was conceived! This had little to do with "fair play", turning a blind eye to debt ridden clubs & owners that systematically drained money out of the game! It was solely designed to stop wealthy owners investing in clubs & making them competitive; thus ensuring the lazy established elite remained unchallenged. Undeterred by the bogus nature of these new constraints targeted at them & any future investors, Manchester City embarked on transforming the club, with initial investment to break the cartel & putting top quality people in place, off the field as well as on it. In addition to breaking all records on the pitch, the club has now achieved commercial sustainability & delivered 4 years of profit. The club is now independently valued at over £2B (reportedly outstripping all the Premier League old-guard). This has shown a huge return on Sheikh Mansour's £1.2B investment & dispelling the lie of "financial doping". So what do the owners of the established "European Royalty" do now? Up their game? Risk their own money to meet the challenge? No! They utilise their stooges in the media to try & discredit City's achievements & demand UEFA do "something" to derail Citys' progress! Just so we are clear, the G14 were: Members since 2000: Real Madrid, Barcelona, Liverpool, Manchester United, Juventus, Milan, Internazionale, Bayern Munich, Borussia Dortmund, Marseille, Paris Saint-Germain, Ajax, PSV Eindhoven, Porto since 2002: Arsenal, Bayer Leverkusen, Olympique Lyonnais, Valencia The Usual Suspects Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) On 2/15/2020 at 12:52 PM, mrbojangles said: But nobody died and we haven''t had the whole of English football kicked out ot he competition for 5 years. Let's put this into perspective. Our "crime" in the eyes of UEFA is about £60m and how it was reported. City maintain no wrong doing and will appeal but come on, £60m is peanuts in football terms, it's not even a complete VvD, it's a one armed VvD. Liverpool owe FSG about £100m don't they. When you look at the football clubs with the biggest deb't across europe it's eye watering. Wasn't that what FFP was supposed to be about? Not letting clubs get into huge deb't. We have no deb't at all FFP was ALWAYS about not letting any new clubs to dine at the top table, nothing to do with Fair Play A nice bit of perspective. Edited February 17, 2020 by Bredbury Blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 hours ago, mrbojangles said: Abramovich was flaunting his money before FFP and they now owe him 1.2billion. We are debt free. I know who I would sooner be owned by. One question. Could Abramovich do now what he did at Chelsea then? lChelsea dont owe Roman anything . Unless you consider that he owes himself money If you buy a house the house doesnt owe you the money that you paid for the house 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 8 hours ago, mrbojangles said: At the heart of this self-serving little cartel were 3 English clubs (Man United, Liverpool & Arsenal) & coincidentally the format of the new competition granted 3 places to English teams. It also changed from a straight knockout format to an initial group stage. So now not only could they still qualify by only finishing 2nd or 3rd in the Premier League, they were also guaranteed at least 6 lucrative fixtures each season. BOOM! The money started rolling in & the big 3 got fatter, as they disappeared over the horizon, leaving the rest of the league with little chance of ever challenging their increasing financial dominance! Then out of the blue, a wealthy Russian Oligarch, Roman Abramovich, rolled into town to bankroll Chelsea & gatecrash the party! With the gravy train now under threat, the greedy little threesome convinced UEFA to increase the English allocation to 4 places! Chelsea qualified for the CL from fourth place in the PL BEFORE Roman took over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, sanemax said: Chelsea qualified for the CL from fourth place in the PL BEFORE Roman took over Yeah, don't you hate it when you have a beautiful conspiracy theory all worked out and then those pesky things called facts come along and spoil it all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 14 hours ago, mrbojangles said: Hypocrite. Don't think I'll be taking any moral high ground from Chelsea thanks. It's owners like yours that saw the need to create this crooked FFP in the first place Romans intentions always were to make Chelsea self sufficient He bought the club for 160 M , spent 1 Billion on the club and now has an asset worth 2-3 Billion . Great bit of business by him Chelsea also abided by the FFP rules , Man City openly flouted the rules . Chelsea played by the rules, Man city didnt . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 3 hours ago, sanemax said: lChelsea dont owe Roman anything . Unless you consider that he owes himself money If you buy a house the house doesnt owe you the money that you paid for the house That's exactly why what Deej said is hypocritical. Chelsea basically hide the 1.17billion of debt through Fordstam. As you know, Fordstam are Chelsea's parent company and they owe Roman 1.17billion, even though he owns Fordstam. He hasn't gifted the money, it's an interest free loan. I personally don't have a problem with it but don't try and pretend it's not there. And your'e house analogy is way off what is really happening but I think you know that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, sanemax said: Chelsea also abided by the FFP rules , Man City openly flouted the rules . Chelsea played by the rules, Man city didnt . Oh come on, that's rubbish and you know it. Chelsea had all their investment done and dusted before FFP came in and so you had no FFP to abide by. City where doing exactly the same as what Roman did but unfortunately for us, FFP was coming in. You did it before FFP was around and you know full well that Roman couldn't have done what he did had FFP been in. The same as no club can ever do the same again should a rich investor come in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 6 hours ago, sanemax said: Chelsea qualified for the CL from fourth place in the PL BEFORE Roman took over Yeah. Roman bought you a few months after didn't he? I didn't write the piece and that may be factually incorrect but the main message is there for the remainder 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, sanemax said: Romans intentions always were to make Chelsea self sufficient Yeah, how's that going? He's still pumping money in now:- https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawkins/2020/01/07/billionaire-roman-abramovich-still-pumping-money-into-chelsea-despite-losing-love-for-london/#3ed3b9481065 An snippet from the above but the whole article is worth a read Quote In accounts for the year ending June 30, 2019, Chelsea reported losses before tax of $126 million (£96 million) against profits of $78 million (£60 million) the previous year. Although turnover increased from $588 million (£448 million) to $593 million (£452 million) Chelsea posted a $10 million (£7.3 million) fall in match-day income and a $5 million (£3.9 million) reduction in broadcasting income. The club attributed the fall in revenue to only qualifying for the Europa League, and not the Champions League, the topflight of European football. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 5 hours ago, sanemax said: He bought the club for 160 M , spent 1 Billion on the club and now has an asset worth 2-3 Billion . Great bit of business by him If someone was to pay that, it would indeed be great business. Time will only tell but as the article above says, “it's a lot of money for an investment that’s not to make any profit.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 minus 2 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 9 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said: You seriously think someone would walk away from a club valued at 2bn. Don't think so. Walk as in sell . and maybe 2 bn now... NOT as a championship club and new ownership could/ would have SEVERE repercussions for a start the chances are it would be run as a proper business NOT as a vanity/ nation's pr exercise so chances are HUGE dodgysubsidies would be out of the window .. .. and the end of open ended deep pockets.. would that result in a 'collapse' Leeds style ...maybe maybe not .. next up the prem ruling... anyone know the time frame for that.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herewe Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Not sure why the City lot are so touchy about the bann, they've always said that they are not worried about winning the Cl, mind you that doesn't seem to be the opinion of the owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Herewe said: Not sure why the City lot are so touchy about the bann, they've always said that they are not worried about winning the Cl, mind you that doesn't seem to be the opinion of the owners. I think you'll find we have always said we would love to win it but we think the Premier League is more important. You can also not deny the money you get for being in the CL makes it very worthwhile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 4 hours ago, mrbojangles said: Yeah, how's that going? He's still pumping money in now:- https://www.forbes.com/sites/daviddawkins/2020/01/07/billionaire-roman-abramovich-still-pumping-money-into-chelsea-despite-losing-love-for-london/#3ed3b9481065 Three times in the past four seasons Chelsea have posted a profit , so, yeah, thats going quite well . Roman hasnt lost his love for London , he couldnt get a UK visa and has concerns about visiting the UK on his Israeli PP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, mrbojangles said: Oh come on, that's rubbish and you know it. Chelsea had all their investment done and dusted before FFP came in and so you had no FFP to abide by. City where doing exactly the same as what Roman did but unfortunately for us, FFP was coming in. You did it before FFP was around and you know full well that Roman couldn't have done what he did had FFP been in. The same as no club can ever do the same again should a rich investor come in. Chelsea abided by the FFP rules when they came into being . Chelsea didnt abide by the FFP rules before they came into being . llalsl llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllSoon as t Edited February 17, 2020 by sanemax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbojangles Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, sanemax said: Chelsea abided by the FFP rules when they came into being . Chelsea didnt abide by the FFP rules before they came into being . llSoon as the rules came lillnllllllllllyllllllllltlllllllolllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll Your'e purposely evading the point I was making. Why not just say that you were lucky Roman did what he did before FFP cos he wouldn't be able to do that now. I wasn't and I'm still not one of those who slagged off Chelsea for "buying" the league. I believe owners should be able to invest what they want. But I won't sit here and take grief from Deej trying to take the moral high ground 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 My point was that as there were no rules in place at the time, Chelsea didnt break any rules . When new rules were made Chelsea abided by them Yes, Chelsea were fortuneteller to spend before the rules camelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll into place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BangrakBob Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 12 hours ago, sanemax said: keyboards broke^llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll did you borrow it from 3 minus 2? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 This is how it feels to be City, this is how it feels to be small, This is how it feels when your passport's back in the drawer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) M/City clearly broke the rules hence presently a 2 yr C/L ban imposed Besides one of those M/City emails which surfaced was very morbid to say the least Stating #One down Six to go# As one of the Directors of the FFP comittee had passed away Therefore The owners of M/City walked into Where Angels Fear To Tread Stupid Clots. begging for trouble ???? Edited February 18, 2020 by deej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 14 hours ago, Herewe said: Not sure why the City lot are so touchy about the bann, they've always said that they are not worried about winning the Cl, mind you that doesn't seem to be the opinion of the owners. It really is amazing how so many people on here don't read and understand what's posted, but here we go again, I'll repeat what I've said so many times (in bold). I have repeatedly said that I would always prefer to win the PL than the CL. But like any football fan I would love my club to win the CL, PL, FA, Caraboa, Community, Anglo-Scottish, Texaco, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 4 hours ago, RickG16 said: Right I've had enough of this.. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bredbury Blue Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 I know most on here are anti-City (understandable) and as I'm posting it you won't read it, but try to put aside your prejudices and do yourself a favour and read this excellent article. MARTIN SAMUEL: Whatever Man City have done wrong, the game as framed by UEFA and Europe's privileged elite is BENT https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8013475/The-game-framed-UEFA-Europes-privileged-elite-BENT.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ChipButty Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Jamie Carragher claims crisis club should have been THROWN OUT of the Champions League after two-year ban https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8013823/Jamie-Carragher-claims-Manchester-City-thrown-Champions-League.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deej Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bredbury Blue said: I know most on here are anti-City (understandable) and as I'm posting it you won't read it, but try to put aside your prejudices and do yourself a favour and read this excellent article. MARTIN SAMUEL: Whatever Man City have done wrong, the game as framed by UEFA and Europe's privileged elite is BENT https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8013475/The-game-framed-UEFA-Europes-privileged-elite-BENT.html Thats his opinion .so be it But you cannot deny Mcity were caught breaking the rules Largely due. to leaving a paper trail that a Village Idiot could follow. Done the Crime Do the Time same as C/sea recently did Edited February 18, 2020 by deej Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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