The Official Manchester United Thread

[ChipButty]

10 minutes ago, Sparkles said:

Remember it well but no personal issue should ever govern the direction of a club, especially one with United's history.

 

99.99% of Man U followers are decent ,loyal, law abiding people. The ones that caused damage to the clubs reputation are moronic indiviuals who want a few minutes of fame. One reason they were all flashing phones was to record to later show their mates down the pub, known as the "I was there syndrome" 

 

A door may well have been kicked in but as I mentioned before Gary Neville, live on Sky, said he walked though the normal way with protestors alongside him.

 

It was an appalling lack of security but to punish players, coaching staff and loyal supporters by docking points is not the answer, otherwise we will have a copy cat scenario and its hardly the first time we have seen moronic behaviour in, and outside, grounds .Players being hit by missiles, team buses receiving the same treatment, player abuse etc how soon we forget.

 

Its sadly the world we now live in.   

 

 

The guy who told me was an ex steward, about the gate being opened,

[RickG16]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

The guy who told me was an ex steward, about the gate being opened,

Any more news from your source at Carrington CB?

[Kadilo]

2 hours ago, ChipButty said:

The guy who told me was an ex steward, about the gate being opened,

 I would give him a 3/10 rating for that performance. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Kadilo

[ChipButty]

40 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

 I would give him a 3/10 rating for that performance. 

I think he deserves more than that

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, RickG16 said:

Any more news from your source at Carrington CB?

Yeah, the head of security at carrington is a scouser he had no <deleted> chance of getting people out 

[Sparkles]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just  talk about football instead of this and the farce that VAR's incompetent introduction has created ????

 

I was surprised that once the ground was cleared that the match didn't go ahead.

An 8 pm, kick off could have been easily achieved

 

I know there many outside the hotels but surely there were enough police to prevent any obstruction to the buses progress meaning the minority of protestors who were intent on violence, not peaceful protest, won the day.

The moron who threw the camera stand over the fence, the door smasher and the others who physically caused injuries to police I hope get just rewards.

 

 

 

 

[mrbojangles]

1 hour ago, Sparkles said:

I was surprised that once the ground was cleared that the match didn't go ahead.

An 8 pm, kick off could have been easily achieved

 

The only thing I can think of is there wasn't time to sanitize everywhere after they had ejected the scumbags. All these players and staff are living virtually in covid free bubbles which got breeched 

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, Sparkles said:

Wouldn't it be nice if we could just  talk about football instead of this and the farce that VAR's incompetent introduction has created ????

 

I was surprised that once the ground was cleared that the match didn't go ahead.

An 8 pm, kick off could have been easily achieved

 

I know there many outside the hotels but surely there were enough police to prevent any obstruction to the buses progress meaning the minority of protestors who were intent on violence, not peaceful protest, won the day.

The moron who threw the camera stand over the fence, the door smasher and the others who physically caused injuries to police I hope get just rewards.

 

 

 

 

It seems both clubs agreed to call the game off, If Im correct the laws of the FA says that would be a draw, if one club cancels the game then they forfeit all the points in this case who knows what will happen

[RickG16]

20 hours ago, Sparkles said:

99.99% of Man U followers are decent ,loyal, law abiding people. 

 

 

Exactly. It was only a few days ago that fans of the other 5 former Super League clubs were up in arms about the owners. Now instead of supporting the wider cause they have realised there is a chance to bash United - a national pastime.  

Edited May 4, 2021 by RickG16

[mrbojangles]

2 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

Now instead of supporting the wider cause they have realised there is a chance to bash United - a national pastime.  

 

Most people I know support your cause against the Glazers and don't have a problem with you protesting. What we do object to is the thuggery, violence and being the one and only set of fans to ever cause a PL match to be abandoned. You should also be ashamed of them but it seems you are trying to twist it to make it look like you are the victims

 

If that had been City fans you would be calling for a Points deduction and nothing less. Actually, knowing you lot, you'd want us kicked out of football altogether!!

[RickG16]

4 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

 

Most people I know support your cause against the Glazers and don't have a problem with you protesting. What we do object to is the thuggery, violence and being the one and only set of fans to ever cause a PL match to be abandoned. You should also be ashamed of them but it seems you are trying to twist it to make it look like you are the victims

 

If that had been City fans you would be calling for a Points deduction and nothing less. Actually, knowing you lot, you'd want us kicked out of football altogether!!

No - I'm all for condemning the violence. But if I hadn't made my previous post, you wouldn't have mentioned that you support the wider cause of United fans. There has hardly been a word of support on here for the wider cause, which equates to the vast majority of those protesting. 

[Bredbury Blue]

2 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

 

Most people I know support your cause against the Glazers and don't have a problem with you protesting. What we do object to is the thuggery, violence and being the one and only set of fans to ever cause a PL match to be abandoned. You should also be ashamed of them but it seems you are trying to twist it to make it look like you are the victims

 

If that had been City fans you would be calling for a Points deduction and nothing less. Actually, knowing you lot, you'd want us kicked out of football altogether!!

 

Well said, and i agree. Rick seems to seriously misunderstand the feelings of non-Man U fans on their protests.

[Bredbury Blue]

 

One of the problems for non-ManU fans in understanding your protest at Carrington and on Sunday, is that the spokespeople of your fans, whoever they maybe, have to date done a really <deleted> job of explaining to the world: (1) what was your protest about, and (2) what did you hope or want to achieve from it?

 

My understanding is that the protests were to show your dislike of your owners, but what did the protest hope to achieve? Is it: Fan on the board and/or Regeneration of Old Trafford and/or Glazers sell up and leave? WHAT IS IT?

 

As the Glazers live overseas and don’t visit much (they won’t be visiting now), I doubt the protest will have had any effect on them. Finding someone new who is willing to stump up the money to buy MUFC off the Glazers will not be easy to find – the cost will be in the billions – and the protests have probably made it harder to find someone willing to put up with such a fanbase, in fact it’d probably be easier and maybe better value to buy ‘sleeping giants’ Newcastle, Everton, Villa and others than ManU.

 

I, like most people, have no problem whatsoever with your peaceful protests - we City fans protested Swales Out - but I have a big problem with your fans trying to bring other fan bases into YOUR owner-fan problem, and trying to get games delayed, postponed or abandoned.

 

Rick, you seem to think fans of other clubs should back you up based on the recent shambles of the Super League, like we should all gang together to oust these terrible foreign owners and get a 50+1 ownership model – it isn’t going to happen. Can’t talk about the other big 6 club’s fans, but for most City fans our owner’s indiscretion has largely been forgiven – not by all I would add – but we dearly value our owner’s investment and their running of the club and everything they do for the east Manchester community area.

 

I suspect in part, that it’s City’s smooth running and increasing success (and Liverpool’s of course) which is one of the catalysts for the current protests. Had Fergie still been at the helm winning trophies there might be some fans protesting at ManU, but not the majority.

 

As a biased City fan, I hope the Glazers stay, obviously. I reckon we should even put a "City fans Love 16 Years of the Glazers' count-up banner (.i.e. the 16 being replaced by 17 next year - wonder where i got that childish idea from) in the Etihad.

 

So Rick – and you other ManU fans on here – what exactly is it you want from these protests? Give us a list of bullet points? Here's your opportunity to educate us in why exactly the Glazers are such terrible owners and what it is you want.

 

If it’s just Glazers out, then you’ll be in for a big disappointment – they love the ManU cash cow and prestige!

 

 

[RickG16]

57 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

So Rick – and you other ManU fans on here – what exactly is it you want from these protests? Give us a list of bullet points? 

 

 

If you just kept up with the news you would save yourself, and others, a lot of time.

 

There is a 4 point plan which is widely available from the United supporters group. 

[ChipButty]

 

[Kadilo]

Excellent summary from BB. 

Heard a similar discussion on 5 Live with those very questions being asked and during the phone in many United fans were stumped to answer. Some that did wanted it to be run German style by the fans or at least fan representation and independent Directors appointed. 
 

Of course the owners couldn’t give a hoot about the United thugs chanting and wanting their removal.

 

They don’t live in Manchester, have no interest in the community or the people that live there. It doesn’t affect them one bit.
Their only interest is money and they are making lots of it. 
 

If anything the attempted blackmail they have given them,  effectively respond to our demands by Friday or we will do it all again,  will result in only one loser. Clearly going about assaulting  Police Officers, causing criminal damage and putting fear into local law abiding citizens has won your club no allies in your attempt to gain some kind of support. 

 

As BB said. What was the goal? What is the point demonstrating to remove the owners when you have no real idea of what you want to replace them with. 
 

It was reported that it would cost £3 Billion to buy them out. Who could afford it? No one. 
 

Is t it strange  that these demonstrations have reared their head again. Using the ESL as the catalyst which the six clubs all managed to get their owners to do a U turn by peacefully demonstrating.
 

Now seems like an excuse to have another go at the owners for your lack of success compared to your neighbours. There wasn’t too many demos when Fergie was winning trophies and backing the owners back in the day. 
 

Now with the realisation that you are as far away from your neighbours as you ever were and watching them head towards the treble the realisation seems to have set, in and the anger and jealousy is over spilling. Can even see it on here to a lesser degree with posters nit picking about what constitutes a treble. For some it just sticks in the throat, for others being the “biggest club in the world” demands success and you are not getting it so let’s blame the owners, easy target. 
 

As Fergie said the owners supported him with the purchase of new players when he wanted it. Let’s face it any owner who stumps up 80 million for Maguire can’t be all bad. 
 

Is it not the case that the owners have backed the manager with cash but sadly apart from the odd decent purchase your have bought players who are both not good enough to win you a title and are overpaid and on ridiculous contracts so you can’t get rid of them. Thats not the owners fault but makes them an easy target for the anger and jealous supporters who want to blame someone for the situation. 
 

Seems you may be stuck with it for a while yet. 

 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Kadilo

[Bredbury Blue]

59 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

If you just kept up with the news you would save yourself, and others, a lot of time.

 

There is a 4 point plan which is widely available from the United supporters group. 

 

You seriously think any of us who support other teams ever look at the United Supporters Group (website, twitter, what do they have?)? Get real. Think its you who needs to keep up if you think that.????

 

anyway that's for proving the point i was making that the world doesn't know your supporters demands (as apparently we have to go search on your websites).

 

Over to you Rick, post the 4 point plan for all us non-ManU fans.

 

[Bredbury Blue]

1 hour ago, RickG16 said:

If you just kept up with the news you would save yourself, and others, a lot of time.

 

There is a 4 point plan which is widely available from the United supporters group. 

 

 

Why would you use a player in another club's shirt as your image / logo (whatever the kids call it)? Are you a bigger Lingard than ManU fan? Weird!

[Bredbury Blue]

47 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Is it not the case that the owners have backed the manager with cash but sadly apart from the odd decent purchase your have bought players who are both not good enough to win you a title and are overpaid and on ridiculous contracts so you can’t get rid of them. Thats not the owners fault but makes them an easy target for the anger and jealous supporters who want to blame someone for the situation. 

 

One thing i would say, is that for the first time since Fergie retired, ManU maybe have the basis of a team that can challenge for the PL again. They could win it this season, maybe, maybe not, but if not they will be best of the rest. With a few changes in that team/squad they could get close next season. The Glazers seem to me to always stump up and pay for the players the manager wants, breaking many transfer records in recent times (Pogba, Maguire). So there can't be too many complaints about providing money for the team building.

 

Hear Old Trafford is a bit of shambles these days and needs a major overhaul. Saw a video not long ago of rain pouring through the roof. That and everything else should be fixable.

 

 

[RickG16]

22 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

You seriously think any of us who support other teams ever look at the United Supporters Group (website, twitter, what do they have?)? Get real. Think its you who needs to keep up if you think that.????

 

 

 

I saw it on that well known United fans site ... The Daily Telegraph!

[Kadilo]

23 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

One thing i would say, is that for the first time since Fergie retired, ManU maybe have the basis of a team that can challenge for the PL again. They could win it this season, maybe, maybe not, but if not they will be best of the rest. With a few changes in that team/squad they could get close next season. The Glazers seem to me to always stump up and pay for the players the manager wants, breaking many transfer records in recent times (Pogba, Maguire). So there can't be too many complaints about providing money for the team building.

 

Hear Old Trafford is a bit of shambles these days and needs a major overhaul. Saw a video not long ago of rain pouring through the roof. That and everything else should be fixable.

 

 

I would disagree with your analysis that the current side is anywhere near good enough to win the PL. Next season will be the test once rhe

likes of Liverpool get back to full strength we can see how much progress United have really made. 

 

Maybe if they had decided to keep Evans instead of selling him for peanuts and wasting 80 mil on a donkey;  kept hold of Lukaku who is now one of the most sought after strikers in the world and not let Lingard go out on loan when he is clearly good enough to walk in that current side , they may be closer. 
 

I guess they blame the Glazers for that as well as having the likes of Albert Steptoe still raping the club. 
 

The club have made some <deleted> decisions over the years. Maybe the Glazers were one of them but their greed at the time said it was a good deal. All clubs want to blame someone for their lack of success. 
 

I will hazard a guess and say you won’t see my lot demonstrating against the Porn brothers when the fans come back. Football

fans are fickle. Everyone is happy when they are winning and

want someone to blame when they are not. 
 

I am pretty sure they chav thugs smashing their way onto the pitch the other day and stealing memorabilia have no idea of their history and who has done what. It’s just an anger demonstration because once again they have come up short again at their neighbours and with Liverpool nailed on to improve next season they would have never got a better opportunity to succeed and never will. 

 

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Kadilo

[mrbojangles]

5 hours ago, RickG16 said:

you wouldn't have mentioned that you support the wider cause of United fans. There has hardly been a word of support on here for the wider cause, which equates to the vast majority of those protesting. 

 

Why would I/we mention United's owners before last weekend ? I also don't mention Mike Ashley and Newcastle fans hatred of him and owners of other clubs whose fans don't like them. This subject cropped up not because of the protest against your owner but the damage and violence your thug supporters have done.

 

And the 4 point plan is ????????????

[RickG16]

30 minutes ago, mrbojangles said:

 

 

 

And the 4 point plan is ????????????

Taken from that obscure hardcore United fans site... Sky Sports News

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11667/12294031/manchester-united-supporters-trust-outline-a-way-forward-for-all-in-open-letter-to-joel-glazer 

[Bredbury Blue]

1 hour ago, RickG16 said:

Taken from that obscure hardcore United fans site... Sky Sports News

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11667/12294031/manchester-united-supporters-trust-outline-a-way-forward-for-all-in-open-letter-to-joel-glazer 

 

MUST's four-point plan sent to Glazer family

1. Willingly and openly engage and promote the government initiated fan-led review of football and use this as an opportunity to rebalance the current ownership structure in the favour of supporters

2. Immediately appoint independent directors to the board whose sole purpose is to protect the interest of the club as a football club, not its shareholders

3. Work with the Manchester United Supporters Trust and supporters more broadly to put in place a share scheme that is accessible to all and that has shares with the same voting rights as those held by the Glazer family. Should the appetite be there amongst fans then you should welcome, and offer no opposition to, the Glazer Family shareholding being reduced to a minority or indeed being bought out altogether.

4. Commit to full consultation with season ticket holders on any significant changes to the future of our club, including the competitions we play in.

 

Good luck with getting your owners to agree/conform. ???????????? No chance.

[Bredbury Blue]

4 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said:

As a biased City fan, I hope the Glazers stay, obviously. I reckon we should even put a "City fans Love 16 Years of the Glazers' count-up banner (.i.e. the 16 being replaced by 17 next year - wonder where i got that childish idea from) in the Etihad.

 

Here's one a blue has put together.  That'll look good in the Etihad in the stand opposite the cameras.

 

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Bredbury Blue

[jellydog]

As regards EPL clubs and finances I am told this is the mother lode. There's way too much information for me to wade through, but I'm sure many, or some, would find it interesting.

 

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/

[Bredbury Blue]

Swiss Ramble has been the go to man on football finances for sometime. I check his Twitter everyday. Here is his current thread 1hr ago

 

 

[Kadilo]

As an aside “Mourinho to Roma” 

 

Slowly working his way down the ladder. 

[mrbojangles]

6 hours ago, Bredbury Blue said:

Good luck with getting your owners to agree/conform. ???????????? No chance.

 

I think they all want a rose handed to them at the turn styles every week as well. ????

 

I was listening to Simon Jordan debating with a guy from the supporters club/trust or whatever. Jordan tore him apart. The united fan hadn't a clue about business

[champers]

5 hours ago, Kadilo said:

As an aside “Mourinho to Roma” 

 

Slowly working his way down the ladder. 

The owner, an American called Friedkin, is worth $4Billion so he could be going on a spending spree.