Four-step plan issued to rid Thailand of garbage

[rooster59]

Four-step plan issued to rid Thailand of garbage

By The Nation

 

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The Pollution Control Department (PCD) has issued four guidelines for related agencies to achieve the country's goal of eliminating 7.7 million tonnes of garbage within next year.

 

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PCD director-general Pralong Damrongthai said on Friday that the drive to rid the country of 7.7 million tonnes of cumulative garbage was part of the National Solid Waste and Hazardous Waste Management Master Plan (2016 - 2021).

 

Prlong said his office has issued four guidelines for local administrative bodies and related agencies to effectively manage garbage and waste and minimise the negative impacts on people's health. 

 

First, the guideline for selection of appropriate technology for garbage and waste management includes various methods, such as a sanitary landfill, a semi-aerobic landfill, a fermentation for biogas production, a fermentation for fertiliser, a refuse derived fuel technology, and an incineration/combustion system. 

 

Agencies would choose a suitable method to dispose of garbage as per the amount ranging from no more than 15 tonnes a day to more than 700 tonnes a day and other factors such as location, environmental impacts and community acceptance, he added.

 

Second, a guideline focusing on the incineration/combustion method, which will be divided into four groups; incinerators with a capacity to burn less than 3 tonnes of garbage a day; incinerators with a capacity to burn 3-30 tonnes of garbage a day; incinerators with a capacity to burn 30-50 tonnes of garbage a day; and incinerators with a capacity to burn more than 50 tonnes of garbage a day.

 

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Third, a guideline on underlying characteristics for refuse derived fuel (RDF) made from garbage in communities would detail the physical attributions (such as net calorific value, moisture, and bulk density) and the chemical attributions (such as chlorine amount, ash, and mercury/cadmium/heavy metal amounts) as well as methods for sample collecting, analysis and testing and transporting. 

 

And last, a guideline on basic design and construction of a community garbage-separating and processing for the RDF production and measures to prevent and reduce negative impacts on the environment, Pralong said.

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/national/30360402

 

 

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[Lantern]

They need to start in the schools. Education is the start.

[cooked]

About 30 years ago the biggest cellulose factory in Switzerland spent millions (of Francs) on a sulphur filter. Sulphur emissions over the country were reduced by 80% almost over night. Same story for various incinerators. I can't see Thailand investing in filters, they can't even find money for beach cleaning machines, resorting to asking tourists to help clean the beaches. 

In our village we were positively instructed to burn rubbish in the gardens and NOT to take it to the neighbouring towns (where rubbish bins we had used for years are systematically being removed). 

I have seen school buses stopping so that a kid could throw rubbish on to the side of a road that has "please don't tip rubbish" signs along it.

Hopeless situation unless they start with education.

 

[Cadbury]

17 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

incinerators with a capacity to burn less than 3 tonnes of garbage a day; incinerators with a capacity to burn 3-30 tonnes of garbage a day; incinerators with a capacity to burn 30-50 tonnes of garbage a day; and incinerators with a capacity to burn more than 50 tonnes of garbage a day.

Burn it! That's the answer. Using incinerators like the one on Koh Samui? 

[cooked]

1 minute ago, Cadbury said:

Burn it! That's the answer. Using incinerators like the one on Koh Samui? 

I take it you are joking? Not everyone knows Koh Samui.

[Kieran00001]

26 minutes ago, Lantern said:

They need to start in the schools. Education is the start.

 

What did you read?  Why would they need to start in schools to make more incinerators?  Education is not the start for these projects, the technology exists, the start will be investment in infrastructure. 

 

Next time try reading past the headline before commenting.

[Kieran00001]

13 minutes ago, Cadbury said:

Burn it! That's the answer. Using incinerators like the one on Koh Samui? 

 

The incinerator on Samui was fine, the problem came in a lack of investment in training, without which the staff promptly broke it.

[robblok]

The problem is that the incenerators will probably don't have enough filters and if they have lack of investment and maintenance will make them not work in the end.

 

They never seem to want to pay money for things here only make a profit at all cost.

 

So in theory a good idea build more incinerators but without good checks on their maintenance and good funding nothing will happen.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The incinerator on Samui was fine, the problem came in a lack of investment in training, without which the staff promptly broke it.

That is the main problem here, they all invest in new toys (take a nice cut) and then fail in training and maintenance as its harder to take a cut from those and it would hurt profit.

[cooked]

1 minute ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

What did you read?  Why would they need to start in schools to make more incinerators?  Education is not the start for these projects, the technology exists, the start will be investment in infrastructure. 

 

Next time try reading past the headline before commenting.

Next time try going to the root of the problem which is ignorance, and, as I tried to indicate in my previous post, starts at school. People in some countries will run after you if you throw rubbish out, they have an attitude that makes allocating money for garbage projects easier. 

Try thinking before imagining that you can just impose expense without popular support, lookn what is happening in France.

Oh... maybe do something about the arrogance problem?

[darksidedog]

The problem with guidelines is that they tend to be ignored, especially if cutting corners saves a little effort, or some money.

A good way of seriously addressing the problem, is to educate people into creating less waste in the first place. Educational programmes here don't seem to be overly effective though, so I suspect the problem is going to get a lot worse, before it gets better.

[300sd]

The talk is cheap. Learning how to act here, and sustain the act, seems to be the problem. 

[Cadbury]

5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

The incinerator on Samui was fine, the problem came in a lack of investment in training, without which the staff promptly broke it.

Whatever the reasons it is still not working and it hasn't done so for 8 or 9 years.

Is there anything to suggest the same won't happen to all these u-beaut new incinerators they intend putting into service? Thailand has no affinity with meaning of maintenance. 

[Grafting Ken]

Don't worry... Mr Prayut has everything in hand....He will sort this mess out like he always does.

[ChipButty]

Here’s How Sweden is Recycling 99% of its Waste maybe they should take a leaf from them 

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/sweden-garbage-waste-recycling-energy/

[sammieuk1]

Could burry it under Pattaya's new beach and watch it slide majestically into the sea sure no one would notice????

[moonseeker]

Sure... It's all gonna happen as planned... Just like everything in Amazing TH. MS>

[KittenKong]

I have a simpler one-step plan that should appeal to all Thais:

 

Send the garbage to Cambodia.

[Oziex1]

Well this what we like Here at TV. com, entertainment Thai style. Grab a few mil  for a garbage disposal plan,  direct it stait to the local Mercedes dealer buy some property some baubles for the Mia Noi and then the bit we like, a few years of pitiful blithering excuses as to why the garbage problem remains.

Chose your emoji now.????

[Vacuum]

52 minutes ago, cooked said:

I take it you are joking? Not everyone knows Koh Samui.

No need to know. Everebody knows how to burn their garbage, at least where I stay.

[jvs]

37 minutes ago, cooked said:

People in some countries will run after you if you throw rubbish out

You do that here you might end up getting shot!!

It is much saver here to mind your own business.

[neeray]

33 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

Here’s How Sweden is Recycling 99% of its Waste maybe they should take a leaf from them 

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/sweden-garbage-waste-recycling-energy/

The proven knowledge exists in many countries but unfortunately, Thailand won't, as a rule, adopt proven technology or outside help. They'd rather try and "re-invent the wheel". Face !

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

43 minutes ago, 300sd said:

The talk is cheap. Learning how to act here, and sustain the act, seems to be the problem. 

 

Indeed, these guys are great at making and pronouncing high-sounding fancy plans. But woefully inept at actually following thru effectively on anything in their plans.

 

As Thailand has already shown, incineration isn't a panacea solution here. They can't seem to manage the technology, don't seem to pay much attention to the required refuse separation requirements pre-burning, and almost certainly pay little heed to the resulting air emissions/air filtering requirements needed to prevent garbage incineration plans from simply changing a garbage problem into a toxic air emissions problem.

 

[overherebc]

20 minutes ago, neeray said:

The proven knowledge exists in many countries but unfortunately, Thailand won't, as a rule, adopt proven technology or outside help. They'd rather try and "re-invent the wheel". Face !

Yep, Thai rubbish is obviously better than Swedish rubbish so a new system has to be designed.

[rvaviator]

1 hour ago, ChipButty said:

Here’s How Sweden is Recycling 99% of its Waste maybe they should take a leaf from them 

https://www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/sweden-garbage-waste-recycling-energy/

The irony is that Sweden is so good at recycling that they do not produce enough waste themselves anymore  -  They now import garbage from other countries and make money on recycling to keep the recycling plants going.

[SoilSpoil]

Garbage and especially plastic  disposal costs money, and money talks. The CP's, Unilevers and P&G's of the world are allowed to cut production costs and pack their products in environmentally damaging materials, all in favor of the mighty shareholder. What we need is a different mindset: the polluter and beneficiaries pay for disposal. Plastic packaging should be brought back to the retailers and be processed by them. That means that the cost of many 'convenience' products will increase, unless people bring their own containers.

 

For years now, Im taking my plastics back to the retailers. When I go to Makro, I use their garbage bins, 7-11 dito. We refuse to burn.

 

Organic waste, we wish to have more of it. Our chickens eat it all.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, cooked said:

About 30 years ago the biggest cellulose factory in Switzerland spent millions (of Francs) on a sulphur filter. Sulphur emissions over the country were reduced by 80% almost over night. Same story for various incinerators. I can't see Thailand investing in filters, they can't even find money for beach cleaning machines, resorting to asking tourists to help clean the beaches. 

In our village we were positively instructed to burn rubbish in the gardens and NOT to take it to the neighbouring towns (where rubbish bins we had used for years are systematically being removed). 

I have seen school buses stopping so that a kid could throw rubbish on to the side of a road that has "please don't tip rubbish" signs along it.

Hopeless situation unless they start with education.

 

It also starts at home where my so and my wife have been taught by me NOT to throw the trash anywhere except a trash bin.

 

I works with my son but less so with my wife. She needs further training.

 

Last week a soi dog left me a present of a babies pamper torn up and left on the lawn. I have no idea which dog and AFAIK nobody uses pampers around here. The only possibility I can think of is that perhaps somebody was staying in a resort with a baby ( we have 3 within a 1 km stretch) and it came from there.

[Ulic]

They need to use the Scandinavian electricity producing incinerators that burn so hot they burn clean. No garbage plus you get electricity. 

[marko kok prong]

I expect another committee,then a review then another set of further meetings and proposals which then have to be ratified by a special investigative committee,which then reports back to the original committee and the whole idea is dropped in around 5 years. 

[meechai]

3 hours ago, rooster59 said:

plan issued to rid Thailand of garbage

Tougher visa requirements? ????

Edited December 16, 2018 by meechai