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5 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Scotland recently  voted to remain in the UK , with its Parliament in Westminster and Northern Irish prefer Westminister to Dublin  

Taking into account the importance of sovereignty that so many Brexiteers refer to when explaining why they back leaving the EU, why do you suppose that this same notion would not be one felt by Scots and Irish? Why do you think that they would prefer that their larger, neighbouring country called all the shots?

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21 hours ago, Spidey said:

Firstly, your ears are closed. You are blinkered. EU = good. Brexit = bad.

 

Just as all Brexiteers ears are closed and they are blinkered. Brexit=good, EU=bad.

Well at least you admit being blinkered. Accepting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

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21 hours ago, Spidey said:

Secondly, they were asked whether they wanted to leave or remain in the EU. They replied that they wanted to leave. They don't have to justify their decision to you or anyone.

 

Or themselves as it's pretty impossible to justify. Probably why brexiteers never answer that question, just deflect by attacking remainers when asked the question.

When have you been attacked?

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Just now, sanemax said:

Scotland recently  voted to remain in the UK , with its Parliament in Westminster and Northern Irish prefer Westminister to Dublin  

It wasn't that recently and there was no suggestion of leaving the EU then. Scotland voted overwhelmingly (62% - 38%) to remain in the EU (where's their democratic rights?) and , it's fairly obvious that if we were to leave the EU and Scotland were subsequently given another referendum, they would see independence as a back door method of rejoining the EU. Thus, this time, they would vote for independence.

 

As for NI, the majority, protestant immigrants, do indeed want to stay in the UK. The indigenous Catholics would give their right arms to rejoin the South. As it's an Irish issue, It would be only fair for the whole island to have a vote in the referendum, guess who would win that vote!

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Just now, RuamRudy said:

Taking into account the importance of sovereignty that so many Brexiteers refer to when explaining why they back leaving the EU, why do you suppose that this same notion would not be one felt by Scots and Irish? Why do you think that they would prefer that their larger, neighbouring country called all the shots?

Same as Londoners really , London voted to Remain , but Londoners realise that it wasnt just them voting and everyones vote in the UK needs to be taken into consideration  before the U.K makes a choice as a whole

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4 minutes ago, rixalex said:

Well at least you admit being blinkered. Accepting you have a problem is the first step to recovery.

Here's hoping that you have a swift recovery.... in time to vote remain at the next referendum. You know it makes sense.

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Just now, Spidey said:

Here's hoping that you have a swift recovery.... in time to vote remain at the next referendum. You know it makes sense.

There will not be another referendum though

Posted
1 minute ago, sanemax said:

There will not be another referendum though

Luckily, that's not up to you.

Posted
7 minutes ago, rixalex said:

When have you been attacked?

A week last Tuesday. Fortunately, I was able to repel the attack without sustaining injury. Any more absurd moronic questions?

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Just now, sanemax said:

.............and have you called another referendum ?

Has senility set in? It's the job of parliament to call for a referendum.

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4 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Same as Londoners really , London voted to Remain , but Londoners realise that it wasnt just them voting and everyones vote in the UK needs to be taken into consideration  before the U.K makes a choice as a whole

Sorry if I was a bit wandering, but I was referring more to the general notion that Brexit was driven by those who felt that the EU was subsuming their own nation's sovereignty.

 

This data is a bit old (2011) but you can see that, with the exception of NI, each of the other hoe nations sees itself as predominantly of that country first.  Of course, as England calls the shots, the status quo will be easier to maintain there, but can you see how this notion of sovereignty that Brexiteers talk about is one that resonates strongly in both Wales and Scotland?

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, rixalex said:

I do understand it. The question is, since you know very well what it is like to want freedom and independence for your nation, why don't you understand leavers having that same desire?

No problem with people having that altruistic notion. Enacting it and destroying the economy is another matter.

 

I would love a new Ferrari, I could jut about scrape enough money to buy one, but it would leave me penniless. Does it make sense for me to go out and buy a new Ferrari?

Posted
17 minutes ago, rixalex said:

And there's nothing courteous about calling someone's post absurd and moronic.

Comic irony not part of your repertoire? 

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R/r..if you think the snp will take the Scottish people to the promised land..full of milk and honey..please think again.
I admit it's nice to now and again dream..but the snp will not "pull the wool " over the voting public again.
Just wonder where all the money will come from to make Scotland Sturgeon's " alice in wonderland's " scenario.

I am not sure if it is denial or ignorance on the part of some, but the UK has never been so disunited as it is now. 
If anything good comes from Brexit, it will be that the United Kingdom will, very soon, become nothing more than a part of our shared islands' past. 
 

YouGov: Plaid Cymru leader Adam Price the highest rated politician in Wales

Paddy Power has slashed the odds on reunification within five years as research shows Ireland could be heading for a referendum
 
Scottish Tories are scared of indyref2, Nicola Sturgeon says
 
 


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2 hours ago, sanemax said:

Same as Londoners really , London voted to Remain , but Londoners realise that it wasnt just them voting and everyones vote in the UK needs to be taken into consideration  before the U.K makes a choice as a whole

Actually no. If only Londoners had the option to split off from the rest of the UK. Bliss!

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Posted
1 hour ago, rixalex said:

I do understand it. The question is, since you know very well what it is like to want freedom and independence for your nation, why don't you understand leavers having that same desire?

 

It's ok for you to want separation from Britain, but it's not ok for Britain to want separation from the EU.

Not at all - in fact I have stated on several of the many Brexit threads that I fully respect the right of England to secede from the EU. I wish for England nothing but success in its post-Brexit future, but I think that Brexit should not be forced upon the other home nations without their expressed consent. 

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My dear mucker R/R...you will obviously know that last august/september there was a " hope not fear " parade through Glasgow city centre trying to drum up support for indyref2.
Were/are you aware that there was an irish republican flute band playing their " tunes " marching in their midst.!!!!![emoji35]

The question that has been asked many, many time but never, ever answered, MT - why is Scotland unique in the world as being unable to manage its own affairs? Johann Lamont, former SLab leader did state that Scots "are not genetically programmed... to make political decisions." Is that something with which you agree?
 
Here is a list of all the countries that have gained independence from the UK. I believe that the number which have later expressed regret at the transition or asked to revert the move is somewhere in the region of ZERO.
 


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2 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

My dear mucker R/R...you will obviously know that last august/september there was a " hope not fear " parade through Glasgow city centre trying to drum up support for indyref2.
Were/are you aware that there was an irish republican flute band playing their " tunes " marching in their midst.!!!!!emoji35.png

 


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I was not aware, Teddy, but I am struggling to see the relevance of your point. It is no less irrelevant than the OO man jailed last week for spitting in the face of a priest. Sectarianism has no place in the 21st century. 

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