UK's Labour says it will back call for second Brexit referendum

[kannot]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

A second referendum represents freedom of choice. 

and a third represents  what?

[dunroaming]

According to  The Daily Mail, (the Brexiteers choice read,) May is about to rule out a no deal Brexit as 23 dissidents meet secretly at the Commons, with 15 threatening to resign.  Let's see if it holds water

[welovesundaysatspace]

42 minutes ago, vogie said:

You havn't understood the concept of leave or remain yet, I don't want you to have too much to think about just yet.

 

40 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

What’s the reason for not answering my question?

[dunroaming]

Just now, kannot said:

and a third represents  what?

A third would be called "A General Election".

[billd766]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Further levels of democracy - meaning reruns til we get what we want.

Now where have I heard that before?

 

Was it something to do with the EU and Eire?

 

I am sure that as I get older I get more forgetful.????

[evadgib]

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[dunroaming]

26 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Crowds the size of which haven't been seen since Diana died will almost certainly descend upon/blockade Parliament if those clowns don't buck their ideas up.

Clowns tend to be funny and entertaining.  But I agree the amount of anger in the country is mounting daily.  Anger on all sides with leavers and remainers united in their disgust at what these so called politicians are doing to our country.

[welovesundaysatspace]

41 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A ridiculous argument. You can have another one after the results of the first has been implemented. To keep voting until Remainers get the "correct" result is completely undemocratic and you know it.

 

 

How would “Remainers get the ‘correct’ result”? How does that happen practically? 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Now where have I heard that before?

 

Was it something to do with the EU and Eire?

 

I am sure that as I get older I get more forgetful.????

Your memory serves you correctly Bill. You could have added France and the Netherlands plus a few others ... but my memory you know. ???? 

[billd766]

50 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Further confirmation that you can't take what you regularly dish out. I have to say i'm surprised and a little disappointed as I had you down as a good egg in disguise.

Grouse is like the curate's egg.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curate's_egg

 

A "curate's egg" is something that is described – truthfully or not – as partly bad, but also partly good. In its original usage, it referred to something that is obviously and entirely bad, but is described out of politeness as none the less having good features that redeem it.[1] This meaning has been largely supplanted by its modern usage, which refers to something that is an indeterminate mix of good and bad,[2][3] possibly with a preponderance of bad qualities.[4]

[sanemax]

21 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

What do you base that on?  Not a poll surely ???? or just in your head? 

 

I said very clearly that I didn't think there should be a second vote but if there was then I was musing at what the result could possibly be.  The original remain vote shouldn't be taken for granted in that the voters are still of the same mind given what has happened over the last two years.  Being bloody minded isn't just reserved for leavers.

 

Of course your guess is as good as mine but you seem to be presenting yours as facts.  However as a remain voter I will take your prediction, it will save me a lot of disruption and money!

I was giving an example of how the leave vote would be split into two , of there were three questions and two of those questions would be about "leave" .

  I also stated "hypothetically" and gave an example so that thick people would understand what I meant  

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your memory serves you correctly Bill. You could have added France and the Netherlands plus a few others ... but my memory you know. ???? 

Yes, democratic decisions happened elsewhere, and we know it must be disappointing for Brexiteers that people voted in favor of the EU. That’s how democracy works. The people speak ???? 

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Grouse is like the curate's egg.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curate's_egg

 

A "curate's egg" is something that is described – truthfully or not – as partly bad, but also partly good. In its original usage, it referred to something that is obviously and entirely bad, but is described out of politeness as nonetheless having good features that redeem it.[1] This meaning has been largely supplanted by its modern usage, which refers to something that is an indeterminate mix of good and bad,[2][3] possibly with a preponderance of bad qualities.[4]

[Kieran00001]

53 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Shouldn't that be aimed at the poster?

 

Probably.

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Yes, democratic decisions happened elsewhere, and we know it must be disappointing for Brexiteers that people voted in favor of the EU. That’s how democracy works. The people speak ???? 

Although democracy isnt , keep asking people the same question, untill they give you the answer that you want to hear 

[nauseus]

9 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Yes, democratic decisions happened elsewhere, and we know it must be disappointing for Brexiteers that people voted in favor of the EU. That’s how democracy works. The people speak ???? 

Read this to see how democratically it all turned out:

 

https://www.thelocal.fr/20160628/brexit-rethink-a-look-at-frances-2005-eu-referendum

 

 

[vogie]

28 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

What’s the reason for not answering my question?

Seriously questions that needn't be asked, needn't be answered.

 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

I think what you are trying to say is, let them keep voting untill I get the result that makes me happy.

You must be the only member on this forum that needs this explaining, are you being deliberately obstropolous, why do you question the obvious.

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Grouse is like the curate's egg.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curate's_egg

 

A "curate's egg" is something that is described – truthfully or not – as partly bad, but also partly good. In its original usage, it referred to something that is obviously and entirely bad, but is described out of politeness as none the less having good features that redeem it.[1] This meaning has been largely supplanted by its modern usage, which refers to something that is an indeterminate mix of good and bad,[2][3] possibly with a preponderance of bad qualities.[4]

am familiar with "such eggs",

most of us have some good streaks and some not so good streaks

thankfully

one can be such an egg without being a curate

 

 

 

[Kieran00001]

58 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

A ridiculous argument. You can have another one after the results of the first has been implemented. To keep voting until Remainers get the "correct" result is completely undemocratic and you know it.

 

 

 

No, I do not know how offering the people another choice is "completely undemocratic", do tell.

[dunroaming]

19 minutes ago, sanemax said:

I was giving an example of how the leave vote would be split into two , of there were three questions and two of those questions would be about "leave" .

  I also stated "hypothetically" and gave an example so that thick people would understand what I meant  

I would be careful when throwing around the word "thick". 

 

The truth is it is all hypothetical unless there is another peoples vote and then what options are available.  If May does take no-deal off of the table then it focusses the mind somewhat.  I wonder which way the ardent Brexiteers would vote then?

[dunroaming]

5 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

No, I do not know how offering the people another choice is "completely undemocratic", do tell.

It's been said so many times but...

 

At the time of the referendum people voted based on what they were told would happen.  If that package was delivered then no way should there be another vote.  The leavers argument now is that although they are not getting what they voted for we have to accept that because that is democracy.  Silly I know but...

[vogie]

26 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

I would be careful when throwing around the word "thick". 

 

The truth is it is all hypothetical unless there is another peoples vote and then what options are available.  If May does take no-deal off of the table then it focusses the mind somewhat.  I wonder which way the ardent Brexiteers would vote then?

To make the ballet paper fair to the remainers, I should imagine that the options on the paper would be something like this.

 

 

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

They can frame a potential new referendum anyway they chose.

The UK has clearly made a big mistake voting leave to begin with.

Now that the public sees what it really is, it's quite fair to give them a second crack at a FINAL decision. 

So says another non Brit who thinks the U.K should remain part of the hated E.u.

As an American,can you not understand,our Boston tea party, was the People’s referendum in 2016. At which we were promised by our Representatives, that the Democratic decision of the people would be respected and implemented.

 To do otherwise,means the end of Democracy in our country.

 

 

 

 

 

[dunroaming]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

To make the ballet paper fair to the remainers, I should imagine that the options on the paper would be something like this.

 

 

Precisely!  A complete dog's dinner!  We have spent billions on this, have been saddled with a weak pound, lost hundreds (at least) small and medium sixed businesses and also lost all credibility with the rest of the world.  I have said it before, there are no winners here.  The politicians have failed us all and we have ended up a laughing stock.

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, tebee said:

It's not 17.4 million people any more.

 

 

5 hours ago, tebee said:

It's not 17.4 million people any more.

 

So says selfish Tebee, while residing in France and not knowing what the British people think.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, jvs said:

I am not British but am from Europe and i am just wondering what would happen if a second vote was won by the leavers again?

Would it change anything?

 

Yes, we would give up, leave and sell the country to the Americans for an Airbase

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, I can see why people can't accept it.

It was subject to manipulation by Putin and also the leave campaign used blatant lies about national health to win it (narrowly).

Now that there is more light on all that, and also understanding of what kind of deal is possible (or no deal) the people could have a chance to make a much more informed choice.

 

 

“Ah” I see where your coming from now. Don’t beleive the lies you are told by the remoaners, who are speaking on behalf of the elitist establishment. far better to listen to the voice of middle Britain.

 

 

[dunroaming]

5 minutes ago, nontabury said:

So says another non Brit who thinks the U.K should remain part of the hated E.u.

As an American,can you not understand,our Boston tea party, was the People’s referendum in 2016. At which we were promised by our Representatives, that the Democratic decision of the people would be respected and implemented.

 To do otherwise,means the end of Democracy in our country.

 

 

 

 

 

I get all of that but promising what couldn't be delivered because it was all fantasy results in where we are now.  Given the people the vote in the first place was profoundly stupid!

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

Crowds the size of which haven't been seen since Diana died will almost certainly descend upon/blockade Parliament if those clowns don't buck their ideas up.

Probably the same people.

 

At least Diana liked Muslims I believe.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, kannot said:

and a third represents  what?

Flogging a dead horse

 

But don't worry, once Brexit is stopped, no government will EVER ask the people for an opinion again. So enjoy it, it's the last gig.