Is this legal? No farangs welcome...

[webfact]

'This isn't over': Islamic State loyalties linger despite defeat

By Ellen Francis

 

Children sit at a back of a truck near the village of Baghouz, Deir Al Zor province, Syria February 27, 2019. REUTERS/Rodi Said

 

DEIR AL-ZOR PROVINCE, Syria (Reuters) - Having joined Islamic State in Syria four years ago, the Algerian woman only abandoned the jihadists' last scrap of besieged territory when her daughter was shot in the leg.

 

"I don't regret it, even now ... If my daughter was not injured, I would have stayed," said the woman, speaking behind a full face veil as her 19-year-old daughter lay on a mattress nearby unable to walk.

 

At a checkpoint operated by U.S.-backed forces some 30 km (20 miles) from Islamic State's last enclave at Baghouz, a village on the Euphrates, she described her faith in a movement that once held and terrorised large swathes of Syria and Iraq.

 

"Even if I'm here because I have no choice, I still believe, and I know this isn't over," added the woman, who finally joined the exodus from Baghouz on Monday evening.

 

The pro-Islamic State loyalties among evacuees showed the potential risk it still poses despite territorial defeat.

 

The militants once redrew the map of the region with a cross-border "caliphate" amounting to roughly a third of Iraq and Syria. But this has shrunk to Baghouz - a collection of hamlets and farmland - since they lost the bulk of their territory in 2017.

 

The group has been adapting for some time and has mounted a spate of guerrilla-style attacks in Syria of late.

 

The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), the main partner of the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State in Syria, says it wants to be certain all civilians have been evacuated from Baghouz before it launches a final assault to capture the area.

 

Numbers of evacuees have surpassed initial SDF estimates, and there was no sign of the evacuation ending on Tuesday when dozens of trucks ferried more out along dirt track roads.

 

People coming from Baghouz in recent days have shown more open loyalty to Islamic State than those who left earlier on, according to a volunteer medic at the checkpoint where they are subjected to preliminary security screening.

 

"Now they are more hardcore," the medic said.

 

GUNSHOTS AND MORTARS

All the women at the checkpoint on Tuesday were dressed head-to-toe in black including the full face veil, or niqab.

 

A handful of tents on the desert ground were not enough to accommodate all gathered there. Warplanes with the U.S.-led coalition could be seen overhead.

 

Some children, their faces covered in dirt, cried.

 

The Algerian woman said there had there had been more gun-battles and mortar shelling than air strikes of late.

 

Her husband and two other children had been killed by shelling earlier in the war.

 

She had no desire to return to Algeria, where the government fought a civil war with Islamists in the 1990s.

 

"I can't return to people who do not like me and who I don't like," said the woman, who lived in France for a time.

 

Asked why she went to Syria, she said: "This is what I believe in ... the laws of God."

 

Islamic State used its ultra-radical interpretation of Sunni Islam to justify atrocities including enslavement, mass killings, and draconian punishments including crucifixion.

 

The evacuees from Baghouz were being taken to a camp for internally displaced people at al-Hol, a town near the Iraqi border. The SDF wants foreign governments to help repatriate Islamic State activists, saying the burden and risk of holding them is growing.

 

Adnan Afrin, an SDF official, said the civilian convoys from Baghouz have included a growing number of surrendering militants. They are searched for bombs and mines before being allowed to go any further, he said.

 

The SDF estimates about 30,000 people have left Baghouz. It aims to eliminate or force the surrender of remaining fighters, who, according to the SDF, have dug defensive tunnels.

 

Many fighters remain, according to Afrin.

 

"We know from the civilians who came out that there are a big number, mostly European and Asian jihadists."

 

(Writing by Tom Perry; Editing by Andrew Cawthorne)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-02-28

[AGareth2]

20 minutes ago, webfact said:

Asked why she went to Syria, she said: "This is what I believe in ... the laws of God."

the west should be very concerned

no return

[sanemax]

Those poor little kids , terrible to put them through such an ordeal

[YetAnother]

48 minutes ago, webfact said:

 

The pro-Islamic State loyalties among evacuees showed the potential risk it still poses despite territorial defeat.

and won't be in any of our lifetimes; thank their religion, an elaborate deception, for that

[soalbundy]

Can't beat stupid. Surely there must be a remote island where they could all be shipped to and left to their own devices, after two years the island would be empty again.

[Puchaiyank]

I have no empathy or sympathy for a group of people who pillage cities, destroying historical relics, recruiting boys and girls, engaging in sex with underaged children, killing adults who do not support their ideology and showing no mercy or remorse by cuttings heads off as a way to control their illegal occupation.  Hunt down each and everyone of these warped thugs and give them a taste of their own brand of justice...do not spare a single terrorist's life...including stupid young western adults who joined in the carnage...

[sanemax]

47 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Can't beat stupid. Surely there must be a remote island where they could all be shipped to and left to their own devices, after two years the island would be empty again.

We tried that before...................and look how the Aussies turned out 

[kannot]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

This is what I believe in ... the laws of God."

may as  well believe in mickey mouse as the creator  then, it  has exactly the same validity

[IAMHERE]

They are not defeated, they are only dispersed. Keep them out of my neighborhood, please.

[riclag]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

"Now they are more hardcore," the medic said.

They always have and always will be! The biggest mistake is to ignore or appease their objective!

[malagateddy]

Surely the european nations from where these scum left to join isis could "kitty up" and pay the USA to host them in G Bay.
Another way could be to dump them in one of the uninhabited Scottish islands..St Kilda or similar.
There..the scum can live out their dream..7th century day to day life.
Then you heavily mine the surrounding waters???
Just saying.

Can't beat stupid. Surely there must be a remote island where they could all be shipped to and left to their own devices, after two years the island would be empty again.

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[bendejo]

3 hours ago, soalbundy said:

Can't beat stupid. Surely there must be a remote island where they could all be shipped to and left to their own devices, after two years the island would be empty again.

It would be just a matter of time before they all kill each other because god told them to.

 

 

[malagateddy]

Luvly jubly

It would be just a matter of time before they all kill each other because god told them to.
 
 

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[Knee Jerk Reaction]

4 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Hundreds or even thousands have returned to western cities. Stockholm, London, Brussels, Paris, Marseilles, Birmingham, just all over. At present they will be converting others and being feted as heros amongst the local communities. They followed the holy words better than the rest, therefore they occupy the high ground in the thousand year plus battle against the non-believers. The next stage in the battle will be when they pull off some terrorism spectacular and get the attention of even more of their communities, together with the continued demographic jihad. I read than Antwerp like London is now minority-majority. Sorry, but it will not be long now before sharia is rolled out, and even the blindest observer will realize it WAS a long game after all. 

 Good luck to us all.

86% of London's population aren't Muslims.

[malagateddy]

They breed like rabbits

86% of London's population aren't Muslims.

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[simple1]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

They always have and always will be! The biggest mistake is to ignore or appease their objective!

IS objective is the Day of Judgement battle at Dabiq, Syria, why not invite them all to battle there.

[bomber]

another war the US started with the help of the UK comes to an end for now but it will start again as soon as any anti assad demonstrations start again,just leave the guy in power for <deleted> sake.

Edited March 1, 2019 by metisdead
Profanity removed.

[FarangDoingHisThing69]

Why would you let someone expressing sympathy to the petit Caliphate evacuate? They can stay and be human shields for the cause they so espouse. What correct thinking government would want someone with such a mindset in their borders, taking government benefits, and spreading the ideology?


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[champers]

It is a difficult one. Do you let them disperse to the 4 winds to be left to their own devices, or return to their home countries to be controlled by imprisonment?

I feel safer in Thailand than I would be back in the UK. I am not a racist and recognise the value of Muslims in the UK who work in organisations like the NHS and those who are sporting heroes.

[Prissana Pescud]

16 hours ago, Puchaiyank said:

I have no empathy or sympathy for a group of people who pillage cities, destroying historical relics, recruiting boys and girls, engaging in sex with underaged children, killing adults who do not support their ideology and showing no mercy or remorse by cuttings heads off as a way to control their illegal occupation.  Hunt down each and everyone of these warped thugs and give them a taste of their own brand of justice...do not spare a single terrorist's life...including stupid young western adults who joined in the carnage...

There are still a large number of Jihadis' who apparently are dug in and have built tunnels.

 There is no need for anyone to lose there lives in weeding them out.

Russia and US both have a bomb to totally make this a grave yard.

And it is time to deploy the "Mother" as US says or the "Father" as Russia says of an even bigger bomb.

And end the barbaric fighters left in this sand hole and not have one more soldier die in removing this scum from the face of the earth.

As hard as this is to say for me, I hope no one is repatriated back to home in their homeland.

 Because they pose an even greater threat to indoctrinate their children, to instill hate in the minds of their children

and whoever else they come in contact with. I don't know but trust that most Muslims are no threat.

But there is a version of Islam that is vile and barbaric. And it is better left in Islam countries and not imported in western democracies. 

 

[simple1]

8 hours ago, bomber said:

another war the US started with the help of the UK comes to an end for now but it will start again as soon as any anti assad demonstrations start again,just leave the guy in power for <deleted> sake.

Assad commenced killing of unarmed civilian demonstrators at the beginning of the Syrian Arab Spring protests. In addition he released Islamists from his prisons to create mayhem in an endeavour to gain sympathy from the West, which of course massively backfired. Assad has tortured and murdered tens of thousands in his prisons. Unfortunately due to Realpolitik looks as though Assad the mass murder and war crimes criminal will not suffer for his actions. Some example links...

 

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/MAGAZINE-iran-russia-and-isis-how-assad-won-in-syria-1.6462751

 

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2016/12/20/assads-torture-dungeons

 

https://lithub.com/the-photographer-who-recorded-assads-torture/

[bomber]

9 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Assad commenced killing of unarmed civilian demonstrators at the beginning of the Syrian Arab Spring protests. In addition he released Islamists from his prisons to create mayhem in an endeavour to gain sympathy from the West, which of course massively backfired. Assad has tortured and murdered tens of thousands in his prisons. Unfortunately due to Realpolitik looks as though Assad the mass murder and war crimes criminal will not suffer for his actions. Some example links...

 

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/MAGAZINE-iran-russia-and-isis-how-assad-won-in-syria-1.6462751

 

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2016/12/20/assads-torture-dungeons

 

https://lithub.com/the-photographer-who-recorded-assads-torture/

a few thousand dead is still better than 200,000 and millions homeless,and then the 100,000 all over europe.He was keeping the peace until uncle sam started stirring up shit,uncle sam will be back for round 2 thats foe sure,will they arm and fund Islamic state mark2?  probably yes

[Prissana Pescud]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

Assad commenced killing of unarmed civilian demonstrators at the beginning of the Syrian Arab Spring protests. In addition he released Islamists from his prisons to create mayhem in an endeavour to gain sympathy from the West, which of course massively backfired. Assad has tortured and murdered tens of thousands in his prisons. Unfortunately due to Realpolitik looks as though Assad the mass murder and war crimes criminal will not suffer for his actions. Some example links...

 

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/syria/MAGAZINE-iran-russia-and-isis-how-assad-won-in-syria-1.6462751

 

https://www.economist.com/middle-east-and-africa/2016/12/20/assads-torture-dungeons

 

https://lithub.com/the-photographer-who-recorded-assads-torture/

Every thing you say is true. There was an ignorant West when we all supported US in all the never ending wars they created.

 Many westerners no longer want to have anything to do with the Middle East.

Live and let live. And if the muslims in the middle east want to keep on killing each other, that is up to them.

Personally, I was always opposed to another US invasion that again went down the chute.

 As I am opposed to Israel using young Palestinians as target practice. But that is the Middle East, a hive of long standing hate and retribution.

 

[simple1]

1 hour ago, bomber said:

a few thousand dead is still better than 200,000 and millions homeless,and then the 100,000 all over europe.He was keeping the peace until uncle sam started stirring up shit,uncle sam will be back for round 2 thats foe sure,will they arm and fund Islamic state mark2?  probably yes

Assad enabled the entry of Islamists into Iraq during the US occupation, no problem eh? To repeat it was Assad who commenced the current war in Syria, not the USA or coalition partners.  Admittedly it was ignorant US policy during the initial occupation of Iraq that contributed to Sunni resentment with the formation of ISIS.

 

Looks as though you are a dedicated follower of conspiracy theories, so won't bother with further replies to you in this topic.

Edited February 28, 2019 by simple1

[soalbundy]

23 hours ago, bendejo said:

It would be just a matter of time before they all kill each other because god told them to.

 

 

Yes, this is what happens when people start to personalize the absolute, to think that there really is a 'me' and assume that there is a purpose, that there is better and worse, when all there is, is this as it is, the game of duality inside the impersonal silence.

[LomSak27]

Not a surprise. And one should weigh it carefully as the debate ratchets up about accepting former ISIS members back into their former countries.

 

If they’re accepted back, they will always have to be monitored, for the rest of their life. Safer to cut them loose right now. Let them go stateless, Yemen and Libya should provide a good home.

[Orton Rd]

22 hours ago, Knee Jerk Reaction said:

86% of London's population aren't Muslims.

Not yet but meanwhile the majority are non white.

[ballpoint]

On ‎2‎/‎28‎/‎2019 at 7:33 AM, Puchaiyank said:

I have no empathy or sympathy for a group of people who pillage cities, destroying historical relics, recruiting boys and girls, engaging in sex with underaged children, killing adults who do not support their ideology and showing no mercy or remorse by cuttings heads off as a way to control their illegal occupation.  Hunt down each and everyone of these warped thugs and give them a taste of their own brand of justice...do not spare a single terrorist's life...including stupid young western adults who joined in the carnage... 

I have no empathy or sympathy for a group of people who bomb cities, destroying historical relics, killing adults and children who happen to be in the wrong place, and showing no mercy or remorse by bombing schools and hospitals as a way to control their illegal occupation.  Hunt down each and everyone of these warped thugs and give them a taste of their own brand of justice... do not spare a single terrorist's life... including stupid young Middle Eastern adults who joined in the carnage...

Said one of the IS supporters.

[Knee Jerk Reaction]

9 minutes ago, Orton Rd said:

Not yet but meanwhile the majority are non white.

White British and white Irish combined with other white Europeans still make up over 60% of London's population.

[bomber]

7 hours ago, simple1 said:

Assad enabled the entry of Islamists into Iraq during the US occupation, no problem eh? To repeat it was Assad who commenced the current war in Syria, not the USA or coalition partners.  Admittedly it was ignorant US policy during the initial occupation of Iraq that contributed to Sunni resentment with the formation of ISIS.

 

Looks as though you are a dedicated follower of conspiracy theories, so won't bother with further replies to you in this topic.

Assad couldnt stop people crossing borders,maybe he should of built a wall.