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[Thechook]

Damn sold out at etihad only level 3 to watch the ants run around.  Maybe stand on level one with 50k other people.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Thechook

[Thechook]

Heaps of spare seats on levels 1 and 2 so why wont they sell them.  I was willing to pay and they said totally sold out.  Now its shoulder to shoulder in standing room on level 1.

[joboss]

42 minutes ago, Thechook said:

Heaps of spare seats on levels 1 and 2 so why wont they sell them.  I was willing to pay and they said totally sold out.  Now its shoulder to shoulder in standing room on level 1.

Maybe so the cameras can zoom in on the "packed" crowd to look good on telly. 

[ripstanley]

The week of close finishes has ended. This weeks winner is Ozzydom with 8/9. excellent tipping.  He is also the overall leader on 76. He is 2 clear of Biggwazz. 

Next week we return to Friday night for the first game of the week.

[Will27]

8 minutes ago, ripstanley said:

The week of close finishes has ended. This weeks winner is Ozzydom with 8/9. excellent tipping.  He is also the overall leader on 76. He is 2 clear of Biggwazz. 

Next week we return to Friday night for the first game of the week.

Nice work Ozzydom.

 

What another great round of footy with 4 games decided by under 4 points.

 

Some more belters to look forward to next week as well.

 

Melbourne/Syd

Bulldogs/WCE

Carlton/Ade

GC/Norf

GWS/Geelong

Port/Richmond

Hawks/Collingwood finishing with

Freo and the Saints.

 

 

 

[Thechook]

33 minutes ago, Will27 said:

Nice work Ozzydom.

 

What another great round of footy with 4 games decided by under 4 points.

 

Some more belters to look forward to next week as well.

 

Melbourne/Syd

Bulldogs/WCE

Carlton/Ade

GC/Norf

GWS/Geelong

Port/Richmond

Hawks/Collingwood finishing with

Freo and the Saints.

 

 

 

The AFL comp is so even this year, bloody hard to tip.  Anyone can get up on the day

[AlexRRR]

7 hours ago, ozzydom said:

"The more things change the more they stay the same"  Bon Jovi

 

Very boring rock band there Oz....dont think there well known for there philosophies on life love and all of that...the Dali Lama is a rock star that cant sing.....and everyones favourite...that quote is from a pessimist.....

[AlexRRR]

7 hours ago, Will27 said:

Come on now AlexRRR, "walking and not getting hit"?

You're obviously missing the fact that Oliver started it or have chosen to ignore it.

 

Oliver said he “hit (Schofield) on the chest and I wasn’t really expecting it (the hit back)”.

One might suggest that if you hit someone first, you should expect a hit back.

 

I think they way the tribunal works for head high hit's, is that if it's graded as intentional, it's 2 weeks down to 1

or it's graded as insufficient force which means he get's off. 

 

Maybe Melbourne should tell Oliver to keep his arms down on the way to the change rooms.

 

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/melbourne/melbournes-clayton-oliver-slammed-for-taking-a-dive-against-west-coast/news-story/1729d723d74f1b70635c2c5be3c616dc

 

Its what the ump catches you doing young WILL...and the cameras caught it too...tut tut tut....

[AlexRRR]

7 hours ago, farmerjo said:

Didn't that start with Oliver.

The Dees are getting a reputation for being the toughest in this new non violent game of push and shove.

 

I have been waiting a long time for some flexing of muscle from the Dee's...rough em up and stomp all over them, I'm surprised its come from Goodwins coaching its not like he was that type of player, in the modern era with teams so close you have to have an edge and i guess showing some real hard toughness is our thing....Bullies were/are a tough tackling team we can be to with a bit of rough stuff thrown in and mostly within the laws of the fairy game its become...

[AlexRRR]

The Fantasy Report....

 

Some fine tuning was more than evident from the rank and file after the long break, a good start is even better as you have the money to upgrade......

 

JoBoss 1791 goes down to GrannysApples 2089, was always going to be a tough day at the office for Joseph Grant is a proven Fantasy player always a strong performer and Jo is was having the second year blues.....next year kid....

 

Bangkok Bombers 2037 defeats DickyDots 1698 and by the narrowest of margins gets to keep the JT award because he's wont it 3 times....

 

In the GRUDGE match BlueSteel Dee's 2173 tame's Farmerjo's Flyers 1960, once in front never headed, as expected i thought the margin would be 200 odd points...well i dont have to play Fj again thank god , were 1-1 now and I'm 2 games clear on the ladder happy i wont have to play you in the elimination final Grant can have you. ( i think your the sneakiest player in Fantasy)

 

Chiangmai Saints 1702 fell down to Rips Swans 1891, Rip is back to his best and well....the tea leaves in the bottom of my cup did predict Chooks would fail I'm so glad your an optimist there officer..

 

The ladder remains the same no changes...its almost clear the top 4 wont change unless Fj has a few Blonde weeks....

 

 

Round 15 review....and just 4 weeks left before the finals....

 

Jospeh vs Gaz....this could be a tight affair somewhat reminiscent of a former Chinese gf who i mentioned once before here i know Jo likes to hear these sorts of stories....i think jo just might squeeze through and get the points....

 

Match of the round  Grant vs Fj, you wont want to slip here Fj, Grant is a slippery customer and Fj can come up with some great game plays, to close to call here...

 

Optus vs Rip, no signs of the wobbles just yet from Optus there for Rip has his work cut out for him not impossible not out off the question though one would expect Optus to stay undefeated.

 

Dee's in the 2cd GRUDGE match vs Chooks...no contest beat them up and stomp all over them the new found aggression of the real Dee's rubbing off on there Fantasy team...Chooks to stay anchored in 7th position and just % from Jooo who's breathing fire.....

[farmerjo]

Well done Alex and other round winners in the fantasy.

All those byes and trades and nobody topped 2200 points.

Look to the future,i put H Shaw in for 1st game and he gave me a whopping 29.

As soon as trading opened i dumped him out the back door.

Now it seems i have to make trades to get rid of the trades.

I guess the finals will be 1st v 8th,2nd v 7th,3rd v 6th and 4th v 5th in the 1st week. 

[Ron19]

[Will27]

The Tackle: Mark Robinson gives his likes and dislikes from a huge Round 14

 

WHAT I LIKE

 

1. THAT’S THE THING ABOUT FOOTBALL

In a week when the greats prompted discussion about where football is and where it’s heading, football the game delivered the most theatre ever in a round of matches. To be fair, it’s impossible to really know across 100 years of footy. But we’ll take Fremantle’s Michael Walters on the siren, Sydney’s Gary Rohan after the siren, the epic encounter between the Bulldogs and Kangas, Melbourne’s Tom McDonald at Subiaco and the upset of the season for Hawthorn on Thursday night. That’s four games decided by a total of seven points and 17th beat first. And what about the coaches. The reactions from John Longmire, Ross Lyon, Simon Goodwin and Chris Scott were priceless.

 

2. JACK VINEY

Maybe the game of his career. It was full of character and widespread admiration. He is a Luke Hodge/Joel Selwood type and when he left the field on Saturday night to fix a shoulder injury, it appeared his night was done. He returned strapped up, probably loaded with painkillers and with the same vigour. Although Tommy Mac was the hero at the end, Viney was the warrior hero for 99 minutes before that. He had 38 disposals, including a career-high 26 contested possessions. Those hard-won 26 possessions were the second most by a player in a match this season.

 

3. SO, WHAT OF MELBOURNE?

How can you not be impressed with a pulsating final five minutes where the Demons refused to yield? It wasn’t a normal Melbourne performance, either. It had just 47 inside-50 entries, which was the lowest of the season. Once again, though, the Demons punished the opposition on turnovers. They outscored the Eagles by 33 points from turnovers and rank No. 2 in the competition for points differential from turnovers. Viney was best but Tom McDonald, who has become a more durable and versatile player, made it all worthwhile with five goals.

 

4. MARCUS BONTEMPELLI

No coincidence the Bulldogs got the mojo back the same night Marcus Bontempelli returned to form. The Bulldogs got their contested game back, winning the contested-possession count by 15, their best differential in a game since Round 5. They generated nine scores from centre clearances, the most by any side this season. Still, they only won by a point. Bontempelli had the game-high contested possessions, clearances, metres gained and inside-50s and tilted the game the Bulldogs’ way however marginally.

 

5. SERIOUSLY, IS DUSTY CURRENTLY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE?

It’s between Martin, Patrick Dangerfield and Joel Selwood, with Sydney’s Josh Kennedy probably next after reminding everyone of his worth on Friday night. Dangerfield was huge in key moments at the Cattery, as was Martin at the MCG. Almost every time he gets the ball the ground opens up and his ball use generally is very good. Martin finished with 30 disposals and a game-high 14 score involvements and probably another three Brownlow votes.

 

6. ROBBIE GRAY

It’s common belief that Eddie Betts is the best small forward in the game, but I reckon the Port Adelaide star is better at present. Moving Gray forward and Chad Wingard more into the midfield this season has worked a treat and on Saturday Gray was by far the dominant player on the ground. He obliterated the Pies in the first half. He was the No. 1-ranked player at halftime with 95 ranking points, kicked a game-high four goals and seven of his 11 disposals led to a Power score. Gray made a mess of opponent Tom Langdon and Collingwood.

 

7. BEN CUNNINGTON

Stupid to throw the punch and may get a week, but there’s no denying his final quarter against the Bulldogs. He had 12 disposals, eight contested possessions, four score involvements and kicked two goals. His ability to find teammates by hand when under serious heat is sometimes astonishing and when North was challenging late it was on the back of Cunnington’s intent and Shaun Higgins’ smarts. He’s a hell of a player, Cunnington, now he’s got himself super fit, but he has issues with his fist. He was fined for punching Bernie Vince in Round 9 and threw another punch on Saturday night. Suspect it might be another fine.

 

8. GETTING WITH THE PROGRAM

Monster performance by the Giants on the road and coach Leon Cameron introduced a run-with player not named Tom Scully. Against Brisbane Sam Reid played on Dayne Zorko for 42 minutes and kept him to zero disposals. If football was biblical, then it was a miracle Zorko didn’t touch the ball for almost two quarters. We’ll know more of Cameron’s plans with Reid when the Giants meet Geelong this weekend. If Joel Selwood gets up and Reid goes to Selwood, GWS may have found its tagger.

 

9. JAMES SICILY

He’s a work in progress but it looks like he might be a defender. Coach Alastair Clarkson said it was Sicily’s best game as a backman and with Ryan Burton quickly establishing himself, the Hawks could have found their key defensive duo. Sicily looked a natural down back, having a game-high 13 intercept possessions and six intercept marks. You wouldn’t say he was a failed forward as he is just 22 and has only played 35 games, but his reading of the play and his confidence overhead suggests he could be the replacement for Josh Gibson.

 

10. DYLAN SHIEL

Overshadowed by media hype for teammate Josh Kelly, but Shiel continues to produce stunning football. He’s a beautiful mover and gifted player and his 100th game produced a career-best 38 possessions. His past eight games have returned 29, 28, 27, 28, 26, 31, 32 and 38 disposals and he’s the type of player that should capture the eyes of the umpires, which means he’s a chance for the Brownlow Medal.

 

WHAT I DISLIKE

 

1. WHY WERE WE DOUBTING GEELONG?

I know why because the first half against Fremantle stunk. Like high-level criticism about not coming to play against a team it was expected to beat. Down by almost six goals, two players out of the game, one of them Joel Selwood, the question was asked of the Cats. They escaped because Michael Walters missed a goal with a second to play, but this is a win-loss industry. What could have been a damning defeat ended up being a brave Cats win led by Patrick Dangerfield, two final-quarter goals to James Parsons and Mark Blicavs’ most constructive game of the season.

 

2. BACHAR’S SWINGING ARM

Yes, Jack Riewoldt, Bachar Houli wouldn’t have hit Carlton’s Jed Lamb on purpose, but that doesn’t excuse the recklessness of Houli’s actions. When you throw your arm or elbow behind you, you sort of give up your benefit of the doubt, especially when the opponent is concussed as Lamb was. Houli is a respectful bloke and he will respect the MRP’s decision to suspend him.

 

3. TOMMY LYNCH AND THE SUNS

Gee whizz, they test your patience. Two wins over West Coast and Hawthorn are followed by two losses to Carlton and St Kilda and once again questions will be asked of the team, the coach and football department. It doesn’t help when your best forward, Lynch, can’t kick goals. That’s consecutive weeks Lynch has failed to score and it seems the more he’s out of form, the more spotlight is heaped upon everyone. Next week’s clash at home against North Melbourne — it’s 14th v 17th — is one of those games that simply has to be won.

 

4. COLLINGWOOD

This was the game when a statement could be made — at the MCG, in form, finals beckoning — and the Pies blew it. Once again it wasn’t about intent or pressure applied, that was pretty solid. They just weren’t good enough. Couldn’t score enough once inside 50m, took just nine marks inside 50m. Before Saturday, the Pies averaged 35 points a game from stoppages, but against Port it was only 16 points, their lowest return of the season. The Pies mucked around with the ball, having 80 more disposals but 11 fewer shots. The Pies were bullied by Port’s skills and speed on Saturday.

 

5. ANY BUCKLEY UPDATE?

No. It was the team’s worst loss of the season — on the scoreboard and general performance — which leaves the team in 13th with a 5-8 win/loss record. But there’s no feel for what the Collingwood hierarchy is thinking. That’s a plus because usually loose lips are everywhere when coaches are under the microscope. There’s nine games to play and finals remain a possibility. If Collingwood makes it from here, Nathan Buckley probably deserves another crack at it.

 

6. BOMBER BLUNDERS

The finger was pointed at Brendon Goddard, and rightly so, but plenty of others need to put their hands up in the review. Joe Daniher will hate the dying minutes. Firstly, he doesn’t get a hand on the ball to spoil Nic Newman, who kept his feet, picked up the ball and kicked the goal. Daniher took a towering mark but his towering kick (perhaps looking for Jobe Watson) drops on Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti’s head and he’s outmarked by Callum Mills. Then came Goddard’s smother, then Michael Hartley ran past the ball to stay with Lance Franklin at the throw-in, then Orazio Fantasia allowed Dane Rampe to get to the ball and then there was no one in front of Gary Rohan and Martin Gleeson from the throw-in. And then the game was over.

 

7. NO ONE LIKES STAGING

Melbourne’s Clayton Oliver fell like a tree when clipped by Will Schofield and he knew it was an issue. Good on him for addressing it immediately. What surprises fans is players like Oliver, who keep their feet when charging into packs, can’t keep their feet when incidents such as the one on Saturday night take place. But if umpires are going to pay a free kick to Alex Rance the week before, it’s little wonder players will keep acting.

 

8. CROWS LEADERS

This game was decided by three match-ups. Daniel Howe kept Rory Sloane subdued, Blake Hardwick kept Eddie Betts to one goal and teenage sensation Ryan Burton kicked two goals and his opponent ‘Tex’ Walker kicked one goal. The three Crows matchwinners couldn’t get it done. In losing to the Hawks, the Crows also lost a sense of invincibility at home. Firstly Melbourne (Round 9) and now Hawthorn were under control somewhat before the Crows wilted under opposition pressure and smarts.

 

9. FEEL FOR THE SKIPPER

Dayne Beams can’t get a run at it. This time his season was derailed by a power-packed bump from Shane Mumford. He is a serious midfielder and his exploits go under the radar because he plays in a losing team. Yet, his career continues to stutter. He played just two games last year and has missed two games this year because of injury before injuring his shoulder in the collision with Mumford.

 

10. CLOSE CALL

We have the rub of the green with free kicks, but we can’t have the rub of the green with the 30-second shot clock. Charlie Dixon was done on the button of 30 seconds at Geelong, while on Saturday Shaun Higgins had 38 seconds before the umpire called play on. Thirty and 38 seconds? It’s not on. To make it more perplexing, the umpire who called play on in the Higgins incident wasn’t the officiating umpire. No wonder Higgins didn’t hear it because the umpire standing near Higgins said nothing. No shot clock on the scoreboard adds to the inconsistency of adjudication.

[AlexRRR]

Its winter and its football season and there are 5 reasons why its very good to have regular sex if your over 50 men....

 

As the Dee's pursues  their first flag in 53 years big Max reveals the Demons have taken inspiration from cinderella sports stories...It happened last year Maxie....

 

1 A study from Canada so it must be true  suggested women who have regular sex have better memories the McGill University found a link between regular sex  and the growth of nervous tissue in the area of the brain that controls our emotions and memory....This is a good line to spin to your TGF's to ummm bump up the action, imagine they wont forget anything you have ever done......

 

Glen Archer one of Fj's boys a former North Melbourne heavy has been charged by police following a scuffle at a junior footy game....yep dad Glen jumped the fence and got involved, Glen says he did not hit anyone says he didn't do anything as well "they were all yelling at me" the coach and staff of the other team...."they were screaming and swearing at me"....Glen admits pushing a runner out of his way that got into his "personal space", Glen wasn't been shy in letting the umps know what was going on and claims the runner hit  him in the face after a time he realised no one would defuse the situation (so i assume he grabbed his son then) went home, Archer was bailed to appear at the Heidelberg Magistrates court on sept 1...

 

2 Regular sex over 50 will make you look younger 5 to 7 ys they say....from what I've seen not many are getting it then....hormones are released that make the skin more elastic and youthful...so thats why i look great when I'm over there in Thailand...

 

Fyfe is expected back next week against the Saints and the wishful thinking of super member Chooks will not materialise Fyfe is understood to be in closing stages of a substantially lucrative long term contract to stay put near cottesloe beach where brother Jo goes to perve on the bikini clad young ladies.

 

3 More sex fewer colds, more sex higher levels of immunoglobulin.....its proven....another great reason to get more from the TGF.....

 

4 You will feel happier...and i always do when my partner is 20 years younger.....

 

5 Less heart attacks so that kills the myth of dieing on the job....a good quality sex life actually reduces your chances of a heart attack....so if your honey wants you to live longer she should shaggy you more often....

 

Schofeild or what ever that Eagle's name is got a 1 week suspension for the cowardly attack on young Oliver...

 

So if your battery is acting onary collar for a Marshall..

[Will27]

40 minutes ago, AlexRRR said:

 

 

Schofeild or what ever that Eagle's name is got a 1 week suspension for the cowardly attack on young Oliver...

 

 

Yep, the MRP are working beautifully.

 

And Luke Parker gets a fine for this

 

Just because Baguley didn't go down like he was shot.

 

 

[AlexRRR]

1 hour ago, Will27 said:

Yep, the MRP are working beautifully.

 

And Luke Parker gets a fine for this

 

Just because Baguley didn't go down like he was shot.

 

 

 

Did he really get a 1 week suspension? i was just winding you up WILL.....hahaha

[farmerjo]

Like it's been said before,the better players are untouchable.

 

But i still think the umps need to extract a finger,almost everyone is RETALIATION.

Even to the point of Houli,how many times must a playmaker tell his scragger not to grab him before the frustration boils over.

All the umps need to do is stamp it out early in the game,oh and if they could learn to count to 30 that would be good as well.

[farmerjo]

15 hours ago, Will27 said:

Yep, the MRP are working beautifully.

 

And Luke Parker gets a fine for this

 

Just because Baguley didn't go down like he was shot.

 

 

That looks worse than Cunningtons and  Oliver must have come straight from the pub to play,feel sorry for Schofield on that one.

[Will27]

West Coast are appealing the decision.

 

I mean, it's not like Oliver has form for diving is it

 

 

[GrantSmith]

1 hour ago, Will27 said:

West Coast are appealing the decision.

 

I mean, it's not like Oliver has form for diving is it

 

 

Nice find Khun Will27, I hope you forwarded this to Khun Schofield's defense team

[Will27]

Tiger Bachar Houli cops two-week ban for 'intentional' hit

 

<deleted> me gently.

 

To put that in perspective, it's the same penalty as Schofield was offered if he pleads guilty to striking Oliver.

One more week than Cunningtons hit.

 

And the same penalty as Toby Greene got. Toby Green got 3 weeks down to 2 and the guy

he hit got up and took his kick.

 

One more week than Tom Hawkins received!

 

The tribunal found Houli intentionally struck Lamb. So, he knocked him out and he misses 2 games.

 

What a <deleted> disgrace.

Edited June 27, 2017 by Will27

[Radar501]

I'm not defending 'Basher' Houli's actions, but I will defend his prior history and character.

 

BTW, Houli had a stellar 2011 season and was invited to the Brownlow Medal count.   So many WAGS spent all day at the salon and wore next to nothing at the night of nights, but one woman in particular, in her hijab and full muslim cloak stole the paparazzi spotlight for her natural beauty.

[ripstanley]

Schofield cleared to play. Will Oliver be charged with playing soccer?

[Will27]

3 hours ago, Radar501 said:

I'm not defending 'Basher' Houli's actions, but I will defend his prior history and character.

 

BTW, Houli had a stellar 2011 season and was invited to the Brownlow Medal count.   So many WAGS spent all day at the salon and wore next to nothing at the night of nights, but one woman in particular, in her hijab and full muslim cloak stole the paparazzi spotlight for her natural beauty.

 

He seems like a lovely bloke but 2 weeks for that is nothing short of disgraceful.

 

I though it should've been 5 weeks down to 4. Even take 4 down to 3 but 2!

 

Seems as it was originally a 4 week sentence and he got a week's reduction for a good record which is

acceptable, but then got another week discount for being a good bloke. <deleted>!

[Will27]

Just for Clayton Oliver.

 

 

[Will27]

Given the public outcry, no surprise here.

 

 

'Manifestly inadequate': AFL appeals Houli ban

 

THE AFL is appealing Bachar Houli's two-game suspension for striking Carlton's Jed Lamb as "manifestly inadequate". The AFL Tribunal found the Richmond defender guilty of striking on Tuesday night following his backhand hit on Lamb last Sunday, which left the Blues forward knocked out and unable to play on. Houli cops two-match ban for hit The AFL announced on Wednesday it would appeal the Tribunal's decision, with a hearing on Thursday night. An AFL spokesman said earlier that day the League was considering an appeal on the basis the Tribunal's penalty was too lenient. To successfully appeal Houli's ban, the AFL will have to establish the decision was so unreasonable no Tribunal acting reasonably could have reached that decision having regard to the evidence.

 

[GrantSmith]

12 minutes ago, Will27 said:

Given the public outcry, no surprise here.

 

 

'Manifestly inadequate': AFL appeals Houli ban

 

THE AFL is appealing Bachar Houli's two-game suspension for striking Carlton's Jed Lamb as "manifestly inadequate". The AFL Tribunal found the Richmond defender guilty of striking on Tuesday night following his backhand hit on Lamb last Sunday, which left the Blues forward knocked out and unable to play on. Houli cops two-match ban for hit The AFL announced on Wednesday it would appeal the Tribunal's decision, with a hearing on Thursday night. An AFL spokesman said earlier that day the League was considering an appeal on the basis the Tribunal's penalty was too lenient. To successfully appeal Houli's ban, the AFL will have to establish the decision was so unreasonable no Tribunal acting reasonably could have reached that decision having regard to the evidence.

 

 

When the bloke brings in the big guns like Gold Logie winner Waled Aly and some bloke called Malcom Turnball to be character witnesses, you have to wonder is this a criminal trial or a football matter...

 

This one will play out in the tabloids... and will get messy...

 

[Will27]

2 minutes ago, GrantSmith said:

 

When the bloke brings in the big guns like Gold Logie winner Waled Aly and some bloke called Malcom Turnball to be character witnesses, you have to wonder is this a criminal trial or a football matter...

 

This one will play out in the tabloids... and will get messy...

 

I just think it will be increased to 4 weeks and then we all move on....hopefully.

 

Really have to wonder now about the credibility of those on the MRP if they think

2 weeks was going to fly.

[Thechook]

14 minutes ago, Will27 said:

Given the public outcry, no surprise here.

 

 

'Manifestly inadequate': AFL appeals Houli ban

 

THE AFL is appealing Bachar Houli's two-game suspension for striking Carlton's Jed Lamb as "manifestly inadequate". The AFL Tribunal found the Richmond defender guilty of striking on Tuesday night following his backhand hit on Lamb last Sunday, which left the Blues forward knocked out and unable to play on. Houli cops two-match ban for hit The AFL announced on Wednesday it would appeal the Tribunal's decision, with a hearing on Thursday night. An AFL spokesman said earlier that day the League was considering an appeal on the basis the Tribunal's penalty was too lenient. To successfully appeal Houli's ban, the AFL will have to establish the decision was so unreasonable no Tribunal acting reasonably could have reached that decision having regard to the evidence.

 

Turnbull is now comming under huge fire on social media and radio talk shows for interfering in the decision, giving character reference and backing houli.  This has now become a political hot potatoe for him and he should have stayed out of it.  His aim I think was the muslim electorate as he is constantly rubbing shoulders at islamic functions and throwing support.  This is going to hurt him.

[Thechook]

5 minutes ago, GrantSmith said:

 

When the bloke brings in the big guns like Gold Logie winner Waled Aly and some bloke called Malcom Turnball to be character witnesses, you have to wonder is this a criminal trial or a football matter...

 

This one will play out in the tabloids... and will get messy...

 

Turnbull is already under fire from all angles