Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

That's not real.  Only a movie.  And it's only based on one man's interpretation of what such an imagined scenario would produce.  The writer was most obviously engaging in dark thoughts as he wrote it.  Had he had thoughts of an opposite nature the story would have been much different.  Frank Capra made those types of movies.  Which were just as much a true and real reflection of the true nature of who we are.

The real life of each individual works the same.  Dark thoughts produce dark experiences and vice versa.  It's that simple.

 

I lived in a similar situation for real in an Antarctic base for about 8 months, and believe me, some of those guys were lucky to make it out intact.

The loathing between several of the men ( no women there thank the deity- that could have got real nasty ) and most of the men towards the so called leader was palpable.

Dark thoughts? Dark going on black!

[Tippaporn]

55 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I lived in a similar situation for real in an Antarctic base for about 8 months, and believe me, some of those guys were lucky to make it out intact.

The loathing between several of the men ( no women there thank the deity- that could have got real nasty ) and most of the men towards the so called leader was palpable.

Dark thoughts? Dark going on black!

I'd love to go to Antarctica just for the experience.  I can't imagine the cold.  Stark whiteness and desolate.  Did you like it there?  How cold did it get whilst you were there?

The hate in the world these days is on the rise, in my opinion.  An understanding of who we are and the true nature of reality would automatically eliminate most of it.  Which means that most of it is due to a lack of understanding.  We might muse that what we discuss here is purely philosophical in nature.  Not at all.  The practical applications are limitless.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

I'd love to go to Antarctica just for the experience.  I can't imagine the cold.  Stark whiteness and desolate.  Did you like it there?  How cold did it get whilst you were there?

The hate in the world these days is on the rise, in my opinion.  An understanding of who we are and the true nature of reality would automatically eliminate most of it.  Which means that most of it is due to a lack of understanding.  We might muse that what we discuss here is purely philosophical in nature.  Not at all.  The practical applications are limitless.

It was only cold outside, and we dressed for it.

Inside it was a toasty 15 Celcius.

 

Outside it was indeed a black and white world. White snow and black rock.

 

When it got below -30 C it was cold and an unheated vehicle engine wouldn't start; above, I was used to it ( I used to go outside in a tracksuit above -30 C as long as it wasn't windy. Wind and cold will kill you quickly if not dressed properly ). Don't remember the lowest but below -40 C. We still had husky dogs then and they lived outside all year round. I loved the wolf howl they all did in unison.

 

Best year of my life bar none. If I could live there I would.

 

As an aside we had 2 women on base during the summer. They were like queens with fawning minions. I learned a lot about human psychology then, especially how men behave to women when females in short supply, and it's not showing men in a good light.

 

Yes the world is full of hatred.

So many antisocial men ( and women ) around that would beat me up for a perceived insult.

IMO they are just lost souls and evil to boot. The sort that would become Brown shirts in prewar Germany.

[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was only cold outside, and we dressed for it.

Inside it was a toasty 15 Celcius.

 

Outside it was indeed a black and white world. White snow and black rock.

 

When it got below -30 C it was cold and an unheated vehicle engine wouldn't start; above, I was used to it ( I used to go outside in a tracksuit above -30 C as long as it wasn't windy. Wind and cold will kill you quickly if not dressed properly ). Don't remember the lowest but below -40 C. We still had husky dogs then and they lived outside all year round. I loved the wolf howl they all did in unison.

 

Best year of my life bar none. If I could live there I would.

 

As an aside we had 2 women on base during the summer. They were like queens with fawning minions. I learned a lot about human psychology then, especially how men behave to women when females in short supply, and it's not showing men in a good light.

 

Yes the world is full of hatred.

So many antisocial men ( and women ) around that would beat me up for a perceived insult.

IMO they are just lost souls and evil to boot. The sort that would become Brown shirts in prewar Germany.

The coldest I've ever experienced was -33 C.  With wind that, according to the reported wind chill factor, made it feel as cold as -63 C.  Not that it was blowing that hard everywhere and all of the time.  Just the rock bottom coldest reported.  That was in Chicago.  I went out just for the experience.  Multiple layers of clothes and face covering.  I wore my ski goggles and an excellent pair of ski gloves, LOL.  And yes, it'll kill you quickly if not dressed properly.  And even if you're dressed frostbite can set in quickly on your extremities.

I consider Antifa to be the Brown shirts of the Nazis.  The rioting in the US was absolutely insane during the summer of 2020.  Absolute viciousness acted out with gleeful abandon.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

[thaibeachlovers]

16 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

The coldest I've ever experienced was -33 C.  With wind that, according to the reported wind chill factor, made it feel as cold as -63 C.  Not that it was blowing that hard everywhere and all of the time.  Just the rock bottom coldest reported.  That was in Chicago.  I went out just for the experience.  Multiple layers of clothes and face covering.  I wore my ski goggles and an excellent pair of ski gloves, LOL.  And yes, it'll kill you quickly if not dressed properly.  And even if you're dressed frostbite can set in quickly on your extremities.

I consider Antifa to be the Brown shirts of the Nazis.  The rioting in the US was absolutely insane during the summer of 2020.  Absolute viciousness acted out with gleeful abandon.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire

First time I went out with the dogs, very shortly after arriving, I got frost nip on my nose. Troubled me for years after.

 

We had down outer clothing ( like a sleeping bag with arms ) and wool long johns, with wool pants and pullover and balaclava, and if windy had windproof over everything. None of it was waterproof as it never rained- too cold for moisture in the air. We even had to humidify the air in the sleeping quarters.

Too cold for BO as well. As all our water came from melting ice in a big ice melter, water was rationed for showers and only one every 5 days. Had to be rugged to live down there way back then.

The new bases are more like hotels than bases beyond the edge of civilization, but I wouldn't have swapped for them.

Most amazing experience I had in my entire life and I was very lucky to be chosen to go.

 

To add something about God/ religion as it's a God thread, the Americans had a big base not far from us, and they had a chapel, so I went for a Sunday service there, and I was surprised at how "militarised" the service was. The base was maintained by the US Navy, so most of the congregation were servicemen. No lack of religious fervor among the US military.

Not so much among the inhabitants of my base though. Just for going, I was mocked quite savagely, so anti religion has been with us for many decades.

 

Agree about antifa.

Edited September 10, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[xylophone]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Just for going, I was mocked quite savagely, so anti religion has been with us for many decades

Or perhaps clear minded people who don't believe in fairy stories have been with us for centuries – – suits better don't you think?

 

Never trust a person who can clear their conscience of any immoral act by asking forgiveness from their imaginary friend…….
 

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Or perhaps clear minded people who don't believe in fairy stories have been with us for centuries – – suits better don't you think?

 

Never trust a person who can clear their conscience of any immoral act by asking forgiveness from their imaginary friend…….
 

Do you think people have a conscience?

How would you define conscience?

And do you think that "immoral" has the same meaning for everyone?

It must be the 1st time i hear an atheist talking about conscience. 

[Sparktrader]

On 9/10/2022 at 11:28 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I lived in a similar situation for real in an Antarctic base for about 8 months, and believe me, some of those guys were lucky to make it out intact.

The loathing between several of the men ( no women there thank the deity- that could have got real nasty ) and most of the men towards the so called leader was palpable.

Dark thoughts? Dark going on black!

20 blokes

No women

No entertainment

 

What could go wrong!

 

[Cardano]

On 4/21/2019 at 12:03 PM, mauGR1 said:

I think that there is a force who keeps the planets orbiting around the sun, the same force keeping the electrons orbiting around the nucleus of every atom.

According to the Hindus, there are basically three forces, creation, preservation and destruction ( who is creation itself )

Without any of those three, there would be no "world" as we see it.

The concept of "omnipotent" supreme being comes from Christianity i think, that appears to be hard to prove.

It's called a magnetism that enables planets to orbit the sun and electrons to orbit the nucleus of every atom..... Scientifically proven.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Cardano said:

It's called a magnetism that enables planets to orbit the sun and electrons to orbit the nucleus of every atom..... Scientifically proven.

Yes, what is not so well explained, afaik, is that the speed of orbit and rotation of a planet, apparently doesn't decrease with time. 

So, there must be a force which balance inertia quite accurately.

It's quite possible though that an impact from a very large asteroid could affect significantly the rotation speed, it could have happened already in the distant past.

[Cardano]

On 4/21/2019 at 12:20 PM, JWRC said:

I do believe there is a higher being, and for the sake of the exercise I will call him God, 

Many years ago my son was very ill and all the hospitals and doctors we had seen over a 12 month period couldn't find what was wrong.  He just kept getting worse and worse to the point he was hospitalised and we were told he probably wouldn't live to the morning and to prepare ourselves. Being bought up a Christian and married at that time to an atheist my son had not been baptised due to my partners objections, but I felt if my son was going to die, he should be baptised immediately. The hospital arranged a priest to come and my son was baptised in his hospital bed, my partner had left the room in disgust. The hospital suggested we go home and get a few hours sleep, when we got back 5 hours later my sons bed was empty, I thought we had lost him. A small miracle, after all the months a visiting specialist had been asked to see him and he realised what the problem was and they rushed my son to theatre, that's why he wasn't in his bed. He has never looked back, was it a minor miracle or a coincidence? we will never know.

 

My second experience was a very nasty ghost who moved houses with my family, the ghost became very jealous of my grandson and would appear to him as a big Teddy Bear, after several months this teddy bear would attack my grandson while he was sleeping and bite him. Now I don't or didn't believe in ghosts until all this happened, my grandson who was only 4 at the time would not go to bed on his own because of the "Teddy Bear". My Thai partner was unperturbed at all this and we visited the local Monks together with my grandson, they were told of the situation and did their chanting over my grandson, they then gave me some "blessed water" and told me to sprinkle it all over the house and tell the ghost that we never had a problem with it, but would it please leave the house. Here's me thinking "what a load of twaddle" but game to try anything I  got some reeds and sprayed the water all over the house, not forgetting a particular wardrobe where the ghost lived. I have never felt like such a prawn in all my life doing this and telling the ghost that we didn't want a problem with it and that it was ok for him/her to move on and would it please go and live elsewhere. That night was the first peaceful night for months and we never never heard from the ghost again.

 

So the first experience, was it a miracle or a coincidence

The second experience - well what can you call it, I don't know.

 

 

 

The first experience was the hospital finally got round to doing what they should have done in the first place.
The second experience was your grandson either having a recurring nightmare or maybe calling for attention. Did you actually see bite marks? Where on his body were they located? Like you say "what a load of twaddle" there's no such things as ghosts especially ones that bite. Maybe a werewolf that was hungry.

[Sparktrader]

7 minutes ago, Cardano said:

The first experience was the hospital finally got round to doing what they should have done in the first place.
The second experience was your grandson either having a recurring nightmare or maybe calling for attention. Did you actually see bite marks? Where on his body were they located? Like you say "what a load of twaddle" there's no such things as ghosts especially ones that bite. Maybe a werewolf that was hungry.

Maybe god told the doctor what to do

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Maybe god told the doctor what to do

Or our watcher on our shoulder. Some call it their guardian angel! 
 

At some days I have believed I have been blessed with one, because out of things I got away with, but at same time afraid of claiming one. Why should I have been so lucky, when so many dont, and why I deserve one and others dont. I have not done anything to deserve one compare to others as far I know. 

Edited September 11, 2022 by Hummin

[xylophone]

17 hours ago, Sparktrader said:

Maybe god told the doctor what to do

 

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

Or our watcher on our shoulder.

Now children, no more fairy stories for today, so go outside and play for a while!

[Sparktrader]

11 minutes ago, xylophone said:

 

Now children, no more fairy stories for today, so go outside and play for a while!

Where did humans come from?

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

Where did humans come from?

Well if you have to ask that question here, I feel sorry for you. 

[Sparktrader]

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Well if you have to ask that question here, I feel sorry for you. 

The topic is about god. You want me to ask about pad thai?

 

 

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Sparktrader said:

Where did humans come from?

Most likely started with a big bang, and here we are ????

 

Many bangs on the way until life transformed to humans on this planet for sure. Quite interesting by the way but no one can for sure know the details, and will stay a mystery for a long long long time, if ever solved before this planet goes extinct. However Im sure life from this planet will find a new host somehow, with or without our help, if not already done. 

Edited September 12, 2022 by Hummin

[Sparktrader]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Most likely started with a big bang, and here we are ????

 

Many bangs on the way until life transformed to humans on this planet for sure. Quite interesting by the way but no one can for sure know the details, and will stay a mystery for a long long long time, if ever solved before this planet goes extinct. However Im sure life from this planet will find a new host somehow, with or without our help, if not already done. 

How does an explosion create humans? Bombs kill people.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 9/11/2022 at 6:14 PM, xylophone said:

Or perhaps clear minded people who don't believe in fairy stories have been with us for centuries – – suits better don't you think?

 

Never trust a person who can clear their conscience of any immoral act by asking forgiveness from their imaginary friend…….
 

Never trust a person who can clear their conscience of any immoral act by asking forgiveness from their imaginary friend…….

 

Making stuff up?

That's not how it works, but carry on with the misinformation, as it makes for a chuckle.

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

How does an explosion create humans? Bombs kill people.

To narrow view, you have to look at each and one possible bang that lead to enviroment that created life be it with help ofvan creator or not. Even when you where infested in your moms egg, your start was a bang right, and a impact? 
 

Inside our bodies who  is constantly processing nuclear reactions and other chemical reactions to keep us alive. 

[thaibeachlovers]

26 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

How does an explosion create humans? Bombs kill people.

Start with a mass of gas in infinity and wait a few billion years.

[Sparktrader]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

To narrow view, you have to look at each and one possible bang that lead to enviroment that created life be it with help ofvan creator or not. Even when you where infested in your moms egg, your start was a bang right, and a impact? 
 

Inside our bodies who  is constantly processing nuclear reactions and other chemical reactions to keep us alive. 

Draw a picture of these bangs

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Sparktrader said:

Draw a picture of these bangs

Hehe, good one,

 

Draw a picture of god, and I will show you my picture of my god

 

[mauGR1]

If everything we know is supposed to have a beginning and an end, it's in the realm of possibilities that there's something we don't know, and has no beginning and no end.

If the universe comes from the big bang, where did the big bang happen?

Perhaps in the kitchen of the universe?

..oh well.

[Hummin]

27 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If everything we know is supposed to have a beginning and an end, it's in the realm of possibilities that there's something we don't know, and has no beginning and no end.

If the universe comes from the big bang, where did the big bang happen?

Perhaps in the kitchen of the universe?

..oh well.

It is no more difficult to understand perhaps, than you and me is individual big bangs, we come, and we go as solar systems as universes. We can only see as far there is light, right? 

[Thunglom]

On 9/9/2022 at 12:13 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree that many young people today are "lost souls" without purpose, hope, or goodness in them. I see them all over where I live.

That view is probably more down to your own biology than anything else.

[Thunglom]

53 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

If everything we know is supposed to have a beginning and an end, it's in the realm of possibilities that there's something we don't know, and has no beginning and no end.

If the universe comes from the big bang, where did the big bang happen?

Perhaps in the kitchen of the universe?

..oh well.

WOW! Never thought of that - try an contact Prof Hawkins - I think he's in heaven.

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, Thunglom said:

WOW! Never thought of that - try an contact Prof Hawkins - I think he's in heaven.

Is he a priest of your sect ?????

[mauGR1]

33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

It is no more difficult to understand perhaps, than you and me is individual big bangs, we come, and we go as solar systems as universes. We can only see as far there is light, right? 

Yes, everything is possible. 

Every single atom could be a solar system with little planets and sentient beings trying the best to survive etc.

Perhaps there's no God, but it's better to believe that there is imho.