Why the Chinese are infinitely more important than Western tourists to Thailand

[cardinalblue]

I have yet to observe a Chinese tourist picking up Thai trash on the beach....

[Felt 35]

Why the Chinese are infinitely more important than Western tourists to Thailand

 

I don't know why but I have heard that equal souls play best together.................

[stickyrice2000]

Why is farang mad that Thailand values the Chinese more?  You don't feel special anymore?

[DJ54]

On 4/24/2019 at 5:48 PM, asanee said:

No-they SELL onward @ home-with oft

Not necessarily at least from what I’ve noticed living in China 10 years prior. They like to give gifts to show the traveled a broad. Visa to Thailand very easy for Chinese. Visa to US very difficult. 

 

3 times Chinese customer of mine paid for business class flights lodging, meals..everything to accompany him to US for business meetings. We would spend 3 days visiting potential customers and vendors then 4 days at outlets.... I drove and it was boring. He’d take back for customers and family gifts. 

[DrTuner]

17 minutes ago, stickyrice2000 said:

Why is farang mad that Thailand values the Chinese more?  You don't feel special anymore?

Nobody cares about what Thailand values, it changes as soon as a baht note is shown, they just don't want to live in a sardine can full of Chinese with zero manners and on a mission to expand the commie empire. In other words, Chinese and Westerners don't mix. 

[Isaanbiker]

On 4/24/2019 at 5:30 PM, Bang Bang said:

I believe it's nearly there. The place where I work used to bring in a French language tutor (don't ask why) twice weekly but now she's been replaced by a Chinese woman.

A questionable example IMO. Business language is and will be English and it will never be Chinese anywhere in the world. Which might explain why millions of Chinese are currently studying English, usually online. 

[Traubert]

15 hours ago, Spidey said:

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-CNY-and-CNH-currencies

 

China’s national currency can be confusing. It is officially called the renminbi, or RMB (which is pinyin of the Chinese 人民币–“the people’s money”). The currency’s unit of account is called the Chinese yuan. And to complicate the matters even more, there are two kinds of Chinese yuan: offshore (CNH) and onshore (CNY).

You'll never see CNH, it's the currency calculation that isn't pinned to the dollar and it's only used by the shadow banks and the overnight currency dealers. At best it's a guess.

[Traubert]

10 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Smuggle mostly.

Another reason they often buy luxury watches and co is to get money out of china.

Credit card transactions aren't limited yet, so you can buy a 100k usd item, return it to the dealer and ask for cash back or just resell it with a loss.

Let's see how much they spend when all these loopholes will be closed



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Nobody uses credit cards in China,

 

That is soooo 1990's.

 

You haven't even heard of Alipay or WeChat pay have you? Pre-sanctioned money, sweetheart, already cleared by the bank. Look for the blue or green signs with a QR code on them at the paypoint. Even 7/11 and Family Mart have them. This is the 21st century. ????????

[Peterbilt]

Just now, Traubert said:

This is the 21st century. ????????

May be.
But at least its 100% government surveillance.

[Peterbilt]

33 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Nobody cares about what Thailand values, it changes as soon as a baht note is shown, they just don't want to live in a sardine can full of Chinese with zero manners and on a mission to expand the commie empire. In other words, Chinese and Westerners don't mix. 

Correct!
And more and more westeners will vote with their feet and say byebye Land of Scams.
I dont think that the average Thai is smart enough to see that there's a colonisation going on. But its not the dangerous "farang" (the ones King Rama V. warned about), no, its the Chinese which are making Thailand slowly but very steadily more and more dependent on China......
I hope that I'll be lying at a nice, clean beach (so it can't be Thailand..... ???? ) when the Thai finally realize whats going on. But its too late Kuhn Somchai...... Somm namm nah!

[Traubert]

30 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

A questionable example IMO. Business language is and will be English and it will never be Chinese anywhere in the world. Which might explain why millions of Chinese are currently studying English, usually online. 

Millions of Chinese have English as a compulsory subject from age 11-15 in Middle School and 15-18 in High school. Many are sent to private lessons by their parents from kindergarten age.

 

However, as I explained to that Marcusaureli thingy bloke last night, they are only taught to pass exams. Oral English is only 5% of the grade so you can have an A++ English student who can't string a sentence together and has no idea of what you are saying beyond hello.

 

We have students here who would float into the worlds top universities but they have to do an intensive at age 22 to get the English spoken standard that they need to get their Ed Visa, i.e IELTS 7.2.

[Traubert]

10 minutes ago, Peterbilt said:

May be.
But at least its 100% government surveillance.

It's different where you come from hey?

 

You aren't fooling anyone but yourself.

[Peterbilt]

2 minutes ago, Traubert said:

It's different where you come from hey?

 

You aren't fooling anyone but yourself.

Well, a chinese style surveillance is still not existing where I live. But I have to admit that this may be one of the "wet dreams" of european governments. Of course all for democracy to fight back international terrorism.....
But at the moment China is #1 when it comes to surveillance. (But Thailand is trying very hard to catch up...... )

[Bang Bang]

1 hour ago, Isaanbiker said:

A questionable example IMO. Business language is and will be English and it will never be Chinese anywhere in the world. Which might explain why millions of Chinese are currently studying English, usually online. 

Interesting you say this given your TV moniker. Here's Investment Biker Jim Rogers (link)

"Back in 2007, Rogers decided to move from the US to Singapore so that his daughters would grow up speaking Mandarin, which he sees as being the most important language of their lifetime."

 

Edited April 25, 2019 by Bang Bang

[Time Traveller]

On 4/24/2019 at 2:54 AM, NotYourBusiness said:

Another humbling graphic (only 20 years away):

 

This year is 2019, and your Chinese nominal GDP data is already over stated by 100% - $28 trillion (your chart) v. $14.2 trillion (IMF data).

 

So I'm going to go out on a limb and say the rest of your chart is crap as well.

[boonrawdcnx]

A nightmare holiday. I'd rather chop off my hand with a dull butter knife than be stressed out going from one fleecing point to another non-stop.

The Japanese used to be well known for that. With very limited time they had for a vacation you saw them jumping off a bus take their pictures and videos quickly and jump back on the bus all day long.
Or as a Japanese friend of mine told my jokingly years ago - “ we don’t see the sights while we are on vacation - we have no time for that -we see them later at home in slide shows and in videos”


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[boonrawdcnx]

Nobody uses credit cards in China,
 
That is soooo 1990's.
 
You haven't even heard of Alipay or WeChat pay have you? Pre-sanctioned money, sweetheart, already cleared by the bank. Look for the blue or green signs with a QR code on them at the paypoint. Even 7/11 and Family Mart have them. This is the 21st century. [emoji23][emoji23]

Alipay, WeChat - That’s for the poor people - the rich Chinese avoid it like the plaque - because every transaction can - and very likely -is being traced by the Chinese government.

Every repressive government in the world is trying to push their citizens towards a cashless society for total control over your finances!


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[elgenon]

Well, if they all looked like that photo I would welcome them. Is that false advertising? 55555

[Chris Lawrence]

On 4/24/2019 at 8:15 PM, darksidedog said:

More does not necessarily mean better of course. Not many businesses outside of those who cater purely to the Chinese will see much benefit mind.

And has been proven in Sihanoukville, when the Chinese move in, everyone else moves out.

The Chinese tour company will see more money.

[KKr]

14 hours ago, BuckBee said:

They avoid taxes, sell goods imported illegally and move their money illegally .

What thailand gains from these businesses is a lot less than it should be .

Ratchada has several support centres purely for the chinese coaches turn up at after hustling them around esplanade and the railway market like a gabble of geese.

Many of the dedicated chinese tour support businesses etc don't even see baht from the chinese tourists as it all paid in cny as package deal back at the origin . You only got look at the black market import wholesale in Sua Bah to see how expert the chinese are at running illegal business in thailand .

and you mean it is only Chinese and all Chinese that are working in this alleged manner or is it a more widely spread practice and maybe not all Chinese ?  
Also, you are stating that "it all paid in cny as package deal back at the origin" and that therefore no Thai Baht is paid to inbound tour operators in Thailand.
I Say ! 

[Olmate]

3 minutes ago, KKr said:

and you mean it is only Chinese and all Chinese that are working in this alleged manner or is it a more widely spread practice and maybe not all Chinese ?  
Also, you are stating that "it all paid in cny as package deal back at the origin" and that therefore no Thai Baht is paid to inbound tour operators in Thailand.
I Say ! 

And the inbound operators are owned by?

[KKr]

11 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

A questionable example IMO. Business language is and will be English and it will never be Chinese anywhere in the world. Which might explain why millions of Chinese are currently studying English, usually online. 

So far, yes.
But English only became the major language a few years ago when the French Empire lost its glory ( and therefore French is still the second language in the Diplomatic world ).
With the growing influence of the Chinese economy, this may change.
The only reason that could prevent this is the current education system and the simplicity ( at first sight ) of the English language, especially when compared to most of the Asian languages. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎4‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 9:54 PM, NotYourBusiness said:

Another humbling graphic (only 20 years away):

 

Assuming much, ain't you?

loads of things could have happened by then to change everything on the entire planet, and that's more likely than not.

 

The hordes are destroying everything they touch. Maya Bay had to be closed and that beach in the Phillipines.

Thailand has to choose between the destroying hordes and sustainable tourism. I doubt they can have both.

[Antonymous]

The influence of an ever expanding China on the region makes an interesting case study. It presents both an opportunity and a grave risk for hapless Thailand which is dominated by the twins 'greed' and 'xenophobia'. It is quite a dilemma for them.

 

There will only be a backlash if/when the super rich elites feel their wealth and power is being shared or threatened by the invaders. And by then it may be too late.

[ThomasThBKK]

Assuming much, ain't you?
loads of things could have happened by then to change everything on the entire planet, and that's more likely than not.
 
The hordes are destroying everything they touch. Maya Bay had to be closed and that beach in the Phillipines.
Thailand has to choose between the destroying hordes and sustainable tourism. I doubt they can have both.

Besides sustainable tourism they have other options too, which all together would work great and make thailand a balanced country that doesn't depend on anyone.



Open up the goddamn market and give singapore a run for its money. There are tons of entrepreneurs who would like to open a company here but can't.
Tax laws are already sane and much better than in europe. The market size in terms of population numbers is bigger than France, uk, spain and co. And not far away from Germany.

Fintech startups would work great here if only the gov wasn't what it is. It's also a super central location for Asia comparable to Frankfurt in germany.

Thais aren't stupid, there education system just sucks but yet they make it impossible for foreign schools to run a business/compete here.

Look at the medicine sector, it's really good with tons of specialists. This could be the case in other sectors too...

LoS the land of missed opportunities due to greed and xenophobia.

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[thaibeachlovers]

7 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

LoS the land of missed opportunities due to greed and xenophobia.

and that ain't gonna change anytime soon.

LOS, land of lost opportunities.

[sandmonster]

On 4/25/2019 at 3:56 AM, Thaidream said:

 

While it is true that an exodus of Westerners will not have a huge impact on the overall Thai  balance of payments- the exodus if it actually occurs will be felt in such places  with large concentration of Westerners such as Chang Mai; Phuket; Pattaya; Bangkok and Udorn.  These type of long stay foreigners will NOT be replaced by long stay Chinese who tend to return home after a few weeks.

 

 

Pop down to CM immigration and ask the officials which country is applying for over 50% of long stay and retirement visa's. Its Chinese. I asked when doing my extension just 2 months ago. My local coffee shop is often occupied by middle class chinese kids having private tuition in English by a young english speaking teacher. Credit to them, their English at age 10 is much much better than your average Thai Uni grad. I know Koreans who bring their kids to Thailand for an international school education. I would guess the chinese are now following. The East Asians put a high value on a good education.

 

 

[Traubert]

11 hours ago, Peterbilt said:

Well, a chinese style surveillance is still not existing where I live. But I have to admit that this may be one of the "wet dreams" of european governments. Of course all for democracy to fight back international terrorism.....
But at the moment China is #1 when it comes to surveillance. (But Thailand is trying very hard to catch up...... )

How is China's surveillance No1 when it comes to expats?

[Traubert]

On 4/25/2019 at 11:49 AM, Thaidream said:

4.  China is not a country which endears itself to other populations due to it's lack of understanding local customs and it's lack of  manners-  Eventually the welcome wears off.

5.  China and the US are destined to become entangled in a war most likely over China's attempt to recover Taiwan and China's encroachment into the South China Sea. America will win and the Chinese economy will be destroyed.  

6.  Thailand will at some point move away from China once it realizes that it's sovereignty and it's culture is threatened. In addition- with the large scale Japanese investment in Thailand- the Thais cannot risk losing this source of investment and the Japanese see china as a Worldwide threat.

 

I do not share your enthusiasm for the Chinese because I still believe the major player in South East Asia will be the Japanese; The US; Australia and  Europe.

You're funny but 4,5&6 are funniest of all.

[Traubert]

On 4/25/2019 at 1:29 PM, ThomasThBKK said:

The reselling stuff btw is because many luxury brands refuse to set up shops in china. Due to fakes, local business restrictions etc.

Many Chinese buy hermes bags for example just to resell them in china.

They artificially limit the amount of products/country for price gauging reasons...


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I'm afraid that is incorrect. The ever increasing number of malls in China are wall to wall worldwide luxury brands. The problem is their products, being foreign brands,  are subject to import tax which is huge, even though the products are made in China. It's one of Trump's big beefs and one of the causes of his ridiculous tariffs.

 

Chinese people could buy your Hermes bag at retail in Thailand and still undercut the shop price in China by a large margin because of the import tax. The only way round this is to open a JV Enterprise 51% owned by a Chinese company, which is another one of Trump's beefs. I believe the same is true to an extent in Thailand.