1 minute ago, ThaiBunny said:

It is the only fact. What it "means" is an opinion based on individual perceptions

In the context of Johnson’s political ambitions and his past recorded behaviour, yes I agree.

 

Not at all good optics.

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Right so now you’re off on a denial of Johnson’s habit of telling lies.

 

Take that up with the editor of the Times who fired him for lying.

33 years ago the Times sacked him for faslifying a quote by his Godfather  .

I wouldnt consider that to be a "lie" and certainly not "serial lying"

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

In the context of Johnson’s political ambitions and his past recorded behaviour, yes I agree. Not at all good optics.

That depends entirely on your perspective. Someone who defends the right of women to dress like letterboxes might be well-regarded

I wonder if the attending officers were wearing body cameras?

 

 

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If their screaming and shouting was audible beyond the walls of their house, it wasn’t private.

His girlfriend was distinctly heard saying "I've told you often enough 'not in the bum, never in the bum' now get out of my house!  You'll be doing that to the whole kingdom soon enough!"

 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I wonder if the attending officers were wearing body cameras?

 

 

Would probably be illegal to disclose the publicly 

34 minutes ago, Benroon said:

So all Bojo needs to do is set the record straight thus removing the opportunity for your angst...…..but he won't ! Odd

not really

maybe he is considering legal proceedings

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Would probably be illegal to disclose the publicly 

Unfortunately you are probably right.

 

 

1 minute ago, AGareth2 said:

not really

maybe he is considering legal proceedings

In which case all evidence becomes open for scrutiny before an open court.

 

Even assuming Johnson has grounds for pressing charges, he’d be stupid to do so.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In which case all evidence becomes open for scrutiny before an open court.

 

Even assuming Johnson has grounds for pressing charges, he’d be stupid to do so.

why?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Unfortunately you are probably right.

 

 

Do you think that the Police should be allowed to give their personal cam footage to the media ?

Like, if they walked into Corbyns bedroom and videoed him in bed with Diane Abbot , should that be made public ?

11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Would probably be illegal to disclose the publicly 

Agreed, and I would be most surprized if there isn't CCTV or other devices inside and outside the flat, given his status in security terms.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

In which case all evidence becomes open for scrutiny before an open court.

 

Even assuming Johnson has grounds for pressing charges, he’d be stupid to do so.

Have you contacted him with your advice...?

1 minute ago, transam said:

Have you contacted him with your advice...?

Chomper's got a hotline to Jeremy Corbyn

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well we have a bit more than zero information.

 

By example:

If their screaming and shouting was audible beyond the walls of their house, it wasn’t private.

 

Johnson is a habitual liar, I need no lower opinion of him.

 

For a salient question how about, is this liar fit for office.

 

The events of late last week suggest there are other reasons to doubt he is.

I understand you’d rather such negative reporting of his behaviour were not report, I really do understand that.

You seem to have missed my point, once again. 

 

Anyway you cut it, this is a totally trivial, actually very common-place issue that we as the general public have no real understanding of and which has no real bearing on anything important - hence it being critised as even being newsworthy.

 

I'd take a lot more issue with the fact that Boris hasn't engaged in the political debate as much as certain other candidates have and, as a prospectful future PM, would be looking at his track record politically more than anything else. His adulterous indiscretions are more of a genuine indicator as to his character in my opinion, but again these indiscretions don't necessarily override or outweigh his capability as a politician or statesman. There are both arguments for and against him, that's the truth, and though he wouldn't be my first choice as next PM, he may be the best hope of delivering Brexit by the end of October, that's what the salient point is at the moment. 

 

It is worth remembering we're living through strange and chaotic times politically too, in many other situations BJ might not get the opportunity to become PM, it would have most likely remained an impossibility if May had done the job she was tasked with by the British public who twice handed the Tories a mandate for Brexit and which was confirmed by MPs triggering article 50 in parliament. First and foremost this is what needs addressing, attempts to detract from this are simply subterfuge and not at all helpful.

 

I personally think both the Tories and Labour are now, near enough - defunct parties, however if Johnson delivers Brexit then he may just save the Tory party, for the time being. Trivial gossip devoid of any pertinent information surrounding what was deemed by the police to be a minor (and one-off) 'domestic' is totally irrelevant to the bigger picture, especially when this gossip is sensationalised and sold off to adversarial, biased factions of the unscrupulous media like the Guardian who will of course only seek to use it for political point scoring. If he was invovled in something genuinely sinister or questionable then that would be fair game - if this is the best dirt that can be dug however - then it actually says more FOR him than against, because - as those of us who are not rabidly anti-Tory or anti-Johnson will agree, it's a trivial and YES - private affair. 

 

'I understand you’d rather such negative reporting of his behaviour were not report, I really do understand that.' - in what is becoming a recurring theme here - you really don't understand or are wilfully misunderstanding to suit your own purposes.

I wonder how some of the anti-Boris brigade would have behaved during the Thirties when Churchill was out of favour. Had social media existed then I'd expect we could substitute "Winston" for "Boris" and nothing else would need to change. The same could be said about how the future King Edward VII was regarded when Prince of Wales. He nevertheless is regarded by historians as a "successful" king

1 hour ago, Benroon said:

So all Bojo needs to do is set the record straight thus removing the opportunity for your angst...…..but he won't ! Odd

 

He is unravelling because he won't make a 5 second statement to say it was nothing - she burnt my omelette, stepped on my toe anything trivial will do! But then of course she could contradict that so maybe he's snookered. He can't manage a 2 person relationship, and a gaggle of press and yet there are people that want this buffoon to take the reins of the 6th (some say 5th) largest economy in the world. Following on from Brexit you really have to question the general intelligence levels of the UK populace!

 

Unsure what you're construing from my comments, as yours doesn't make much sense to me.

 

Me - anxious? Not really, no. What I was suggesting was that he and his inner circle may well be though, given the current political situation - and that this might explain the reason behind this row with his missus. Again, this would be just another assumption, as no one outside of the Johnson household has any real idea what it was about, and nor should they as this was seemingly a one-off and private affair. So your inference that he 'can't manage a 2 person relationship, and a gaggle of press' is simply another assumption based on didly-squat, as you neither know the man personally, nor anything about his relationship with either his partner or the press.

 

I wouldn't be so hasty making brash assumptions that he is an out and out buffoon or that the population of the UK's general intelligence is something that should be questioned either, only makes you sound foolish and more than a little supercilious, to be honest.

 

34 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Do you think that the Police should be allowed to give their personal cam footage to the media ?

Like, if they walked into Corbyns bedroom and videoed him in bed with Diane Abbot , should that be made public ?

would have thought the immense public health risk of watching such a video would mean it was impossible to release ????  

5 minutes ago, Benroon said:

OK pick from these 

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/times-boris-johnson-flat-lied/

 

I even learnt something, he now has a couple of abortions to his credit from another fling (how someone in that state gets women is another topic!!)

How very sad.....Do you work for a news rag by any chance...

1 minute ago, Benroon said:

You're just regurgitating your original confusion. You seem to get confused easily. It is quite simple, Bojo just needs to put the record straight and it all goes away. Why would you not do that ? There less words, any easier ?

 

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was made for the word buffoon

 

 

Boris really has no need to explain anything to anyone .

Why dont you tell us all what the reason for your last argument with your Gf was all about ?

Its his personal life and its nothing to do with anyone else .

3 minutes ago, Benroon said:

You're just regurgitating your original confusion. You seem to get confused easily. It is quite simple, Bojo just needs to put the record straight and it all goes away. Why would you not do that ? There less words, any easier ?

 

Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was made for the word buffoon

 

 

Think you have confused who the buffoon is....

10 minutes ago, Benroon said:

OK pick from these 

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/times-boris-johnson-flat-lied/

 

I even learnt something, he now has a couple of abortions to his credit from another fling (how someone in that state gets women is another topic!!)

Certainly a deceitful pile of something;

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1139287/Boris-Johnson-wife-married-women-Allegra-Mostyn-Owen-Marina-Wheeler-Carrie-Symonds

 

 

Just now, Benroon said:

No 

 

You mean the abortions are sad right ? 

No your mindset....

2 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Boris really has no need to explain anything to anyone .

Why dont you tell us all what the reason for your last argument with your Gf was all about ?

Its his personal life and its nothing to do with anyone else .

Boris Johnson is a public figure standing for the highest public office, regardless off protestations to the contrary his personal life is of interest to the general public.

 

The personal lives of TVF members discussing this issue are not the topic of or at all relevant to the discussion.

Just now, Benroon said:

Yet again - I'm not running to be the UK PM - why can you not comprehend that is the pertinent point ? 

 

I agree it may be his personal life but its his keeping quiet that is causing him issues and providing enemies with target practice. If he cannot handle a domestic, no doubt trivial, incident how the hell can he deal with an international serious incident? His nickname is Bojo the Clown for gods sake.

PM is indeed a public job , but this is his personal life :

  Would you like Boris to go on television and say " I told her to record "love Island" and she recorded the news instead" and thats why I got annoyed?

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Boris Johnson is a public figure standing for the highest public office, regardless off protestations to the contrary his personal life is of interest to the general public.

 

The personal lives of TVF members discussing this issue are not the topic of or at all relevant to the discussion.

His personal life is none of your business , you may be interested in it , but he has no need to tell you

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Boris Johnson is a public figure standing for the highest public office

The "highest public office" in the UK is the Crown, surely?

35 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

So all Bojo needs to do is set the record straight thus removing the opportunity for your angst...…..but he won't ! Odd

 

No, I'm rarely confused by such simple subject matter. This remark made by you asserts that I am anxious about this aspect of his campagin, which I am not.

That IS simple to understand no? 

 

As for

20 minutes ago, Benroon said:

Bojo just needs to put the record straight and it all goes away.

How do you know he won't in due course? In any case, even if he did, would he be believed? Certainly not by those biased against him (such as yourself). So what would be the use of it? Especially as it is (for the 4th time) - A PRIVATE MATTER, so doesn't actually require a public explanation.

 

You have a very set opinion of him and Brexit I'm sure, and that's fine - totally your prerogative, but I don't happen to share it, I think you're dead wrong.

 

A foppish eccentric that has made some off-colour and questionable remarks - certainly. 

A subversive 'buffoon' who will ruin the UK, crash our economy and trash our reputation - I think not.

 

Also, after reading that (as per bloody usual) very biased report from the i supplement that you posted... I think the following remark went along way to redeeming him!

 

'and in the same month won a competition for the most offensive poem about Turkish president Recep Erdoğan, calling him a “wankerer from Ankara” '. This competition was set up by the brilliant social commentator/conservative author and journalist Douglas Murray - who offered some praise for BJ (who is himself of Turkish ancestry).

 

As I've said a few times, the question that counts most for the short - medium term is - 'Is BJ Britain's best hope of delivering Brexit?', I am still undecided, but I think amongst the alternative politicians that he could be, this does however remain to be seen.

 

 

5 minutes ago, geoffbezoz said:

Certainly a deceitful pile of something;

 

Indeed he is...    so don't distort and weaken the real issues by giving any oxygen to and exaggerating these pathetic media reports about an argument in his own home, it only serves to weaken the genuine discussions that matter.

 

When valid and real arguments are put forwards they are only weakened when accompanied by irreverent hysteria.

Just now, Benroon said:

Oh ok - so the abortions from his fling ? pah no problem for Transam, collateral damage for this fat buffoon, but when I post an article link with factual calamities he's endured that's a major problem for you ?

 

Your adulation of Bojo becomes clear

 

 

Are you now saying folk in the UK don't have abortions, an MP cannot be involved with that stuff...?

Your agenda here is quite obvious....Sadly...