TM30 nonsense

[Orton Rd]

Of course it is nonsense, the 90 day reporting is nonsense, having to give them 5 pp page copies  for a 90 day is nonsense, sometimes being asked for copies of ALL your passport pages for an extension is nonsense, drawing maps of where you live and photos with your Mrs outside the house and sitting inside are nonsense, having ALL your hand digits scanned causing enormous queues is nonsense. Expect a lot more nonsense as time goes on!

Edited July 20, 2019 by Orton Rd

[ThaiPauly]

Just don't see why I should bother to be honest.

 

If I travel to stay with my family in BKK  for a few days why should I bother going to immigration when I get back and tell them where I have just been?

 

 

I accept if I went and stayed in a hotel on an island and they asked for my passport I would have to go and of course I know that upon my return from abroad I have to go (or my wife does). We don't live in rented accomodation.

 

But anywhere that does not want me to show my passport.....why should I spend all this extra time and energy...what's the point anyway?

 

If anybody can tell me why it is imperative that I do this I would be very grateful.

[jacko45k]

2 hours ago, law ling said:

How does the "report within 24 hours" rule work? If it's strictly calculated, from  say plane touchdown

From when you arrive at the accommodation. 

[Tayaout]

Made my wife open a account on the online app and she got password in about a week. When I was living in Bangkok, I would always go to CW about 1h before the office opening and the queue was already huge. Always got out about 11h.

[baboon]

1 hour ago, Essecola said:

The tm30 crap is what finally made me just leave. I could still enter exempt by land if wanted to and could easily get another tourist visa if I applied. Still couldn't see clearly how to 'stay up to date with' or 'keep on top of' tm30. Something to 'always need to be worried about'. Didn't fancy spending an entire one of my days in traffic and at the immigration office just to receive a fine. On top of all the other things re visas which give CONSTANT headaches, loss of peace of mind, & uncomfortable sleep. I have never been in any country that has something as ridiculous as tm30.

 

Many posters mention being at Chaeng Wattana until late but they never mention what traffic is like on that road when u leave the building at 6pm-ish. I guess those who don't mind a 35 min walk over to Laksi railway train station can get a local train back into town for 6-20baht. 

You aren't alone. Thai officialdom will treat foreigners as badly as the foreigners will put up with. Photos, fingerprints, queues, TM 30... Once they have got that all nice and organised, they will come up with something else to make life more of a misery.

[Chazar]

2 hours ago, genobkk said:

The place I stay was raided, many had to pay fine, they where ask for copy of lease, TM30 receipt, pictures taken inside and out side of room.  

Stool  and  blood   sample?

[MeePeeMai]

5 minutes ago, Chazar said:

Stool  and  blood   sample?

DNA sample, breath test, urine test, STD test, blood pressure test, footprint scans, iris scans, facial recognition, Immigration computer chip implant, GPS ankle monitor, signing acknowledgements of all the Immigration "warnings" and the mandatory wai after you get fined?  

Edited July 20, 2019 by MeePeeMai

[eggers]

The whole of Thai Immigration is flooded w/ paperwork, i.e. TM30 reports, Visa & extension Application.

 

Friend calculated, would take a swimming pool 4 mtrs x 15 mtrs x 4mtrs deep to store all the TM 30 for alone!!!

 

PM Prayut has FB page  (ประยุทธ์ จันทร์โอชา Prayut Chan-o-cha) all should post message requesting change to Immigration requirements, particularly TM30, for Expats living in Thailand or face a mass exodus w/ loss of B's & B's Bht!! 

 

 

[Samuel Smith]

4 minutes ago, eggers said:

 

Friend calculated, would take a swimming pool 4 mtrs x 15 mtrs x 4mtrs deep to store all the TM 30 for alone!!!

 

 

 

 

Any idea how that converts into Olympic sized pools or London double deckers, my preferred units of volume ????

[Essecola]

Just now, baboon said:

You aren't alone. Thai officialdom will treat foreigners as badly as the foreigners will put up with. Photos, fingerprints, queues, TM 30... Once they have got that all nice and organised, they will come up with something else to make life more of a misery.

It's not even like I am lazy to report it. If they could just show me where I can report my address myself, and yes, within 24 hours each time is fine, I would do it - IF I COULD SEE CLEARLY HOW THE BL๐๐DY THING WOULD WORK. But of course that's not the way those primates do it. How about an easy platform to report one's self promptly with a second stage reciept from home owner remitted within a period of time. Would be so simple. But oh no! Morons in charge of the setting up. That was enough for me. Couldn't take any more eroded peace of mind. Had none left really anyway. Non stop visa and immigration worries and I wasnt even a 'cheap charlie'. Was spending plenty.

[billsmart]

I don't have one myself, but I've been told Thai Immigrations is distributing a smartphone app for this. One of my friends just got one. It's called "Section 38 app." Here is a link to a Thai Immigration site about it: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=alienstay 

[CharlieH]

3 minutes ago, billsmart said:

I don't have one myself, but I've been told Thai Immigrations is distributing a smartphone app for this. One of my friends just got one. It's called "Section 38 app." Here is a link to a Thai Immigration site about it: http://bangkok.immigration.go.th/en/base.php?page=alienstay 

Dont see anything on that page/link regarding an "app" ?

[ubonjoe]

3 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

Dont see anything on that page/link regarding an "app" ?

Me either.

Here on the play store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.section38&hl=en

[MJKT2014]

2 hours ago, MeePeeMai said:

Where's all naysayers in this TM30 thread?  

 

1.   "Been here 50 years and I've never had to do one"  

2.   "it just takes a few minutes, why complain"?

3.   "Just let your landlord do it, it's his responsibility not yours"

4.   "Just let your landlord pay the fine"

5.   "it's always been this way"

6.   "if you don't like it just leave"

7.   "You cannot self report a TM30"  etc etc etc

 

I could go on and on but I think we get the point.

Ok I'll bite!

 

1. Been here 40 years, sorry cannot match 50! You win that one.

2. It just takes me a couple of minutes - even do the TM28 at same time, to print it all out on the computer.

3. I am the landlord.

4. Have never paid a fine.

5. Its always been this way for me.

6. Cannot leave, I have a wife and kids!

7. I self report a TM30 as I am the landlord.

 

Until now I have never been the CW to do it in person ever. Always send it by post with a SAE and they return it about 10-14 days later.

 

That was the case for past 2 years when TM30 seemed to become an issue, previous 36 years no one ever mentioned it. Now I don't even do the post method as I have online logon. 

[Chicken George]

The app to do the TM 30 is not easy to use. My wife has now given up.. It asks for a new password everything plus no send button only save.. 

[cnx355]

A lot of unnecessary time spent for a form to comply with old rules that were there before computer were used.

 

And most of us know that overstayers, criminals and  scammers never report for 90 days or TM 30.

They hide from the law.

 

So why they still do it ? Why not use modern computers methods and old leg works on the streets and have officers track them.

 

Only law abiding expats and visitors are doing it !

 

Issue an ID card from Immigration to all extension holders of 1 years or more.

With it, you can open bank account , buy car and get driver licence. This will be your official ID

 

Only change of main address necessary and no 90 Days or TM30 for them.

No more crowds at Immigrations offices.

 

Well !I just waked up ! Forget everything I  just said, It was a dream.

 

 

 

 

[DavisH]

6 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Been that way at CW for a long time now. That is why they stop issuing queue numbers at 15:30.

I think you will find that many immigration offices will continue to work after 4:30 if they still have people being served.

Edit: And now a off topic post about airport immigration has been removed.

And they can work to 6.30-7pm and beyond. No wonder many of them are grumpy - customers and immigaration staff alike. Many goverment workers here work much longer than alloted hours. My wife is away all weekend doing activities at her college. 

[ExpatNP]

46 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

Me either.

Here on the play store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.section38&hl=en

I just checked the App Store on iOS and nothing was returned after a search for Section 38. 

 

Android only?

[Guderian]

Bureaucratic lunacy at its worst.

[connda]

Nice to see CW has taken the place of CM for long queues and excessive wait times.  

[justin case]

5 hours ago, law ling said:

My landlady told me she was fined B500 (Jomtien) for reporting me late (TM30). Typically Thai, she appeared good natured about it.

Who keeps the B500 "fine" - the IO or the government? I suspect the former, and that this is proving a nice earner for them.

How does the "report within 24 hours" rule work? If it's strictly calculated, from  say plane touchdown, one would always be caught if arriving late on the eve of a day when their office is closed - except for those competent with electronic reporting, or trusting to do it by mail (and the post office being open).

the joke is : you land on friday afternoon... it can wait till monday

 

but not if you land on monday afternoon

[ubonjoe]

5 hours ago, law ling said:

How does the "report within 24 hours" rule work? If it's strictly calculated, from  say plane touchdown, one would always be caught if arriving late on the eve of a day when their office is closed - except for those competent with electronic reporting, or trusting to do it by mail (and the post office being open).

It is within 24 hours of arrival at your residence not in the country.

[GalaxyMan]

56 minutes ago, Guderian said:

Bureaucratic lunacy at its worst.

I thought it was far worse when I lived in Portugal before moving here. Talk about a retarded country! It's been 5 years and I'm still waiting for my Portuguese driver's license that they are supposed to give you in return for my American one. Whenever I inquire from time to time, I'm told that it takes time. It took me maybe an hour here and that was because I had to take 2 tests, one on the scooter, one for the car.

[Patanawet]

Does anyone know how this affects P.R. holders.

Sorry if this is the wrong forum.

[Stevemercer]

7 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Been that way at CW for a long time now. That is why they stop issuing queue numbers at 15:30.

I think you will find that many immigration offices will continue to work after 4:30 if they still have people being served.

Edit: And now a off topic post about airport immigration has been removed.

 

Yes, in my experience, most offices keep working when they still have people to serve. Mind you, you may need assistance with 'overtime' because I'm sure the department does not pay them overtime.

[Samuel Smith]

2 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Me either.

Here on the play store. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=th.go.immigration.section38&hl=en

I hope that app doesn't provide immigration with TV usernames ???? 

[ubonjoe]

13 minutes ago, Patanawet said:

Does anyone know how this affects P.R. holders.

No it does not since TM30 reporting is only for those on a temporary permit to stay. Same for 90 day reporting and etc.

[ubonjoe]

Some off topic posts and replies to them have been removed.

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, jumbo said:

Maybe time for some to buy a laptop and PC and step into the 21st century

Thai immigration offices are far detached from the 21st century, so it would not make sense for the"some" to buy a laptop or PC.

[philba]

If you're unhappy now, wait until people start talking about Article 37.

 

http://nonthaburi.immigration.go.th/en/2018/12/01/พ-ร-บ-คนเข้าเมือง/

 

Part of it states you're supposed to inform them BEFORE you go out of province for more than 24 hours.

 

This country gets funnier and funnier ona daily basis.

Edited July 20, 2019 by philba
found appropriate link to article 37