Risk of no-deal Brexit is now significant, says Northern Ireland's DUP

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

It's not just about the GFA. No one apart from the extreme Brexiters, wants a hard border between the UK and Eire in the North of Ireland.

 

Again, those political leaders pushing for a no-deal probably have plans to financially benefit by creating one.

Nobody wants a hard border and all key players say there won't be one.

 

[david555]

2 minutes ago, vogie said:

Nobody wants a hard border and all key players say there won't be one.

 

Maybe no need for it as I hear some mumbling about unification of Ireland ….., going to Or E.U or U.K. union...Then Scotland ..... so good job done Boris can call Little England and(maybe) Wales independency ????

[dick dasterdly]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Can't the EU postpone the date? Or does it need positive UK acquiescence?

No.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

I think Boris has been learning from his senior pal the Donald.

 

Show all your cards to the other players, then lie and bluff!!

 

Works for Donny boy!!

Sadly, that seems to be the case at the moment as boris slowly back-tracks....

 

But May was a far better example (so far) of someone who comes out with statements that are then entirely disregarded.

 

Politicians were never held in high esteem, but it's hardly suprising that their 'esteem' is ever falling.....

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, Baerboxer said:

 

It's not just about the GFA. No one apart from the extreme Brexiters, wants a hard border between the UK and Eire in the North of Ireland.

 

Again, those political leaders pushing for a no-deal probably have plans to financially benefit by creating one.

I'm looking forward to seeing whatever baloney you'll use to support such utter tosh.

[billd766]

12 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

The backstop is there and will remain in the only deal on offer.

 

The only ones threatening the Good Friday Agreement are those who will not face the reality that a backstop is going to be part of any deal they are offered. 

27 EU countries signed up for Teresa May's deal. The one country that didn't was the UK. She tried to get it passed not just once, not twice even but three times and each time it was rejected by the UK government.

 

So sorry for you but there is no deal 

 

The UK does not want a backstop, Eire does not want a backstop either. Only the EU negotiators want the backstop.

 

12 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Eire doesn’t need to do anything.

 

They have their guarantees in the only deal on offer. 

 

A deal negotiated by and with the british govt. 

Not so.

 

It was a deal between the EU negotiators and Teresa May but NOT accepted by the UK parliament.

 

So no agreement.

[billd766]

11 hours ago, Loiner said:

Default. Already legislated for.

Bluespunk does not agree with you or any others who keep telling him the truth.

 

After this post I will give up on him and he can join my ignore list.

[evadgib]

This accurately explains the situation of late:

 

[sandyf]

19 minutes ago, billd766 said:

27 EU countries signed up for Teresa May's deal. The one country that didn't was the UK.

 

Only the EU negotiators want the backstop.

 

Both points are inaccurate Bill

All 28 member states signed up to the withdrawal agreement, the agreement will not be ratified by the EU parliament until it has been ratified by the UK parliament.

 

It is not a question of what anyone wants, the Single Market Act dictates that the EU protects the integrity of the single market.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, HHTel said:

People think that as parliament rejected a no deal scenario that it can't happen.  If there is no extension and an agreement hasn't been reached by Oct 31st, then the UK will crash out without a deal by default and parliament can do nothing about it.

Of coarse parliament can do something about it. A vote of no confidence and if Johnson loses it would be an extension pending a GE.

With a Labour government the backstop issue disappears, they have always been in favour of a customs union.

Time to face reality.

[nahkit]

5 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

6 hours ago, nahkit said:

The UK parliament didn't agree to the deal that included the backstop either but you conveniently ignore that,

Nope, the poster I quoted was happy to accept parliament rejecting mays deal but doesn’t seem to accept it rejecting a no deal.. I was exploring this apparent contradiction. 

So when you wrote this:-

 

"The backstop is there and will remain in the only deal on offer.

 The only ones threatening the Good Friday Agreement are those who will not face the reality that a backstop is going to be part of any deal they are offered."

 

You were not at all ignoring the fact that parliament have already rejected the deal including a backstop?

 

Ok, got it now, clear as mud.

 

 

[zorrow424]

53 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Bluespunk does not agree with you or any others who keep telling him the truth.

 

After this post I will give up on him and he can join my ignore list.

You are right there,not talking to a brick wall,is the brick wall.  For some reason he thinks Eire holds a magical key,England especially is doomed.  Like this sunshine  the tail does not wag the dog...and for what its worth  the so called backstop is kaput.  Eire is the backstop,full of what Id describe as useful idiots...anytime the EU get difficult just hem the Micks in,no movement, Eire goes bankrupt

[zorrow424]

Good Friday,  Dublin Accord  ,whatever,wherever  just rip the "agreements" up,not needed,fresh start...just get shut ,shovel it all away.  Get Trumps ships,boats 'planes bring the goods in,see how cheap everything becomes,no Common Agricultural Policy to send food prices sky high,no regulations for tax   get shut, UK will thrive in short/medium/long term     Bye bye EU      more than a few will quit EU when its done and dusted...but not Eire   UK needs useful idiots there as hostages,once Eire come out of EU EU will run rampant over UK

[Stupooey]

11 hours ago, thirdleg said:

There is no time or procedure to stop it happening. The default position is to leave on 31st Oct.

What parliament did earlier in the year is not applicable now.

Even Oliver Letwin, a staunch remainer and who took over parliament has conceded, that he and his quisling friends have no chance of stopping a NO deal

 

Oh dear! Do you not remember the furore, the wailing and gnashing of teeth, when someone had the audacity to describe leavers as 'quitlings' on another thread? Or do leavers have a monopoly on insults (the ubiquitous 'remoaner' jibe springs to mind)?

[Stupooey]

4 hours ago, Mavideol said:

brexiters suffer from short memory loss syndrome

I think I do as well, but I can't remember...

Edited August 1, 2019 by Stupooey
Punctuation error

[placnx]

As some have mentioned conspiracy theories, there are two plausible ones:

1) Ireland is obstructing negotiations with the UK in the hope that the eventual result will be default unification of the North with the Republic. (Will some please comment on internal Irish politics, as I wonder about Varadkar's motivations.)

2) The UK Labor party and EU Commission are hoping for a general election to reverse Brexit.

 

Are these parties so sure that UK Conservatives would vote along with Labor to bring down the Johnson government? The result of a general election could well decimate the Conservatives to the benefit of LibDems.

[Stupooey]

17 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

You are right there,not talking to a brick wall,is the brick wall.  For some reason he thinks Eire holds a magical key,England especially is doomed.  Like this sunshine  the tail does not wag the dog...and for what its worth  the so called backstop is kaput.  Eire is the backstop,full of what Id describe as useful idiots...anytime the EU get difficult just hem the Micks in,no movement, Eire goes bankrupt

The vindictiveness of some leavers is beyond belief. Not content with craving to see the EU implode, you now yearn for Eire to go bankrupt. Or would that be the only way you could justify Brexit?

[Stupooey]

Would the best solution not be for the United Kingdom (of Scotland and Northern Ireland, and possibly Wales) to remain in the EU, and for England (and possibly Wales) to  secede from the UK? We would possibly need Hadrian to be reincarnated, though.

[evadgib]

12 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

The vindictiveness of some leavers is beyond belief. Not content with craving to see the EU implode, you now yearn for Eire to go bankrupt. Or would that be the only way you could justify Brexit?

<Deleted post-this prat's a troll>

Edited August 1, 2019 by evadgib

[Stupooey]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

The EU may well implode but i'm not aware of any ill will towards Ireland & who's trying to justify anything?

Re Eire, just read the post I was referencing.

[dunroaming]

2 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

Sadly, that seems to be the case at the moment as boris slowly back-tracks....

 

But May was a far better example (so far) of someone who comes out with statements that are then entirely disregarded.

 

Politicians were never held in high esteem, but it's hardly suprising that their 'esteem' is ever falling.....

Meanwhile...

 

Today the Home Secretary has pledged another 2.1 billion pounds to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.  That on top of the 4 billion plus pounds already being spent.  This is to recruit hundreds of customs and border staff.  Apart from the fact that it is impossible to find, recruit and then train the staff by the end of October, why are we doing this?  According to Johnson it is a million to one that Britain will leave the EU with no deal.  If he is right and we do have a deal then all these new employees will be surplus to requirements.  Not to mention the 2.1 billion pounds we will have p*ssed away.

[Thingamabob]

14 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

The backstop is there and will remain in the only deal on offer.

 

The only ones threatening the Good Friday Agreement are those who will not face the reality that a backstop is going to be part of any deal they are offered. 

100% wrong.

[billd766]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Both points are inaccurate Bill

All 28 member states signed up to the withdrawal agreement, the agreement will not be ratified by the EU parliament until it has been ratified by the UK parliament.

 

It is not a question of what anyone wants, the Single Market Act dictates that the EU protects the integrity of the single market.

I have been having a bad day today with re plumbing my old water pump and adding a new  water filter. It has been a 6 towel and three sets of dry clothes day, and my mind was not on my posts.

 

Fix one problem and another pops up. Now thanks to the water god it seems to be OK.

 

[puipuitom]

19 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

hThe EU is the UK’s largest trading partner, although its importance has been slightly declining. Official UK figures show that 44% of all UK exports went to the EU in 2017, while 53% of all UK imports came from the EU. As a bloc, EU countries sell more to the UK than vice-versa.

THE BIG question in these is always: does the customer has an alternative . Second: can the supplier find replacements for these orders. Third: how do import duties change this all. If the British have no proper alternative for fresh foods now coming in from Eire , Spain, France, Netherlands, but the EU suitable but.. 2-5% higer priced for alternatives of British industry exports, the UK is in deep trouble.

Maybe reduce the GBP again a 15-25% as the British did since jan 2016 ? ( or € 1,16-1,17 over March /April/May and now € 1,097 )?

Edited August 1, 2019 by puipuitom

[billd766]

1 hour ago, Stupooey said:

Would the best solution not be for the United Kingdom (of Scotland and Northern Ireland, and possibly Wales) to remain in the EU, and for England (and possibly Wales) to  secede from the UK? We would possibly need Hadrian to be reincarnated, though.

Plenty of Polish brickies around.

 

They would probably do a better job and cheaper as well.

[zorrow424]

No deal? so what...August 31leaving date..make it July 5....get shut of the whole mess   Ireland? let them battle it out,last one standing wins...but keep news of it scant,hardly anybody interested   just 2 minute briefing as to days events there.  get the United Nations involved,just get shut,..this is what Brexit is about, getting shut

[puipuitom]

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

No Deal. No Backstop. No Border. No Problem.
Unless Ireland wants to make one on behalf on the EU.....

Just bring all migrants from Italy and Greece to refugee camps in Eire, just a mile from N. Ireland and the Brish will beg for a border...

[zorrow424]

1 minute ago, puipuitom said:

Just bring all migrants from Italy and Greece to refugee camps in Eire, just a mile from N. Ireland and the Brish will beg for a border...

No no no  Dublin accord  ..remember.  Try as they might getting onto those ferries to GB will be a darned sight harder   and the rubber boats will almost definitely ignored,or sunk en route

[puipuitom]

6 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Can't the EU postpone the date? Or does it need positive UK acquiescence?

It's the UK who wants to leave, so every step has to come from the UK. The EU can only grant a postponement if asked for by the UK. If not, 1 Nov it's bye-bye. In case the UK ( or SK) wants to be member again: start negociations. Remind: the former Yougoslave republics are ahead, and Ukraine already has an associate agreement.

Edited August 1, 2019 by puipuitom

[puipuitom]

7 hours ago, HHTel said:

People think that as parliament rejected a no deal scenario that it can't happen.  If there is no extension and an agreement hasn't been reached by Oct 31st, then the UK will crash out without a deal by default and parliament can do nothing about it.

A vote of no confidence.