Sihanoukville in Cambodia gets bad reports these days

[balo]

This is old news, the Chinese invasion is complete in Sihanoukville, They own the city and they have bribed off all the officials to build casinos and hotels everywhere. No westerner would ever set foot there again. 

Forget it , better to stay in PP . 

 

[kingdong]

19 hours ago, HarrySeaman said:

I was in Sihanoukville just under a year ago.

Sihanoukville is to all intents owed by the Chinese.

There are now over 100 casinos, all owed by Chinese or the police.  Last I heard from a resident who moved out completely this year they were building about 50 more. 

Resorts for Chinese are springing up like weeds.  Westerners are not welcomed.

The sewer system is virtually non-existent. Trash collection is sporadic at best.

Raw sewage and trash are every where.  Basically most of the town is an open sewer, and it smells like one too.
Most of the few beaches that can still be reached are covered in trash and sewage.

Kampot and Kemp are still a nice places to visit and stay but do it quickly because the Chinese are starting to buy up property in those towns.

Phnom Penn is rapidly being developed with Chinese money but lots of the fancy high rises are virtually empty, especially the high rise bank/office buildings.

went to cambodia 2 years ago loved it,went back in january this year-----wouldn,t go back if you paid me.

[freebyrd]

20 hours ago, Tapster said:

The same sort of thing is happening in Siem Reap, and many other places as has been mentioned above. In Siem Reap a year ago, our tuk-tuk guy said that China was upgrading main roads throughout the country. The number of hotels that were going up was incredible.

I spent a few days in Sihanoukville in 2011 and found it a sleepy little town with hardly any traffic; certainly not the hell hole shown in the video. It might have been the time of year as the SW monsoon was in full flow but there was no construction at all apart from some local houses.

 

*sigh*

I have friends who live in Thailand and the Philippines and they tell me that it's happening there as well, although perhaps not so overtly.

[freebyrd]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

went to cambodia 2 years ago loved it,went back in january this year-----wouldn,t go back if you paid me.

I've lived here in Cambodia quite happily for 13 years, one man's meat.....

[freebyrd]

16 hours ago, balo said:

This is old news, the Chinese invasion is complete in Sihanoukville, They own the city and they have bribed off all the officials to build casinos and hotels everywhere. No westerner would ever set foot there again. 

Forget it , better to stay in PP . 

 

Which is where I am, soon to move to somewhre more rural, North not South.

[freebyrd]

23 hours ago, Banana7 said:

Where do your recommend going now to experience the same delights?

 

One man's delight is another man's torture.

[freebyrd]

19 hours ago, Berkshire said:

It sure does sound like the corrupt Cambodia government is selling out the country to the Chinese.  Just horrible, especially to the common Cambodian.  They'll have nothing left of a country....or end up servants to the Chinese.  Sure hope Thailand doesn't go that way. 

Thailand continues on its' own path of destruction, Thai people are servants of their own pseudo military governement.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 3:38 PM, freebyrd said:

Thailand continues on its' own path of destruction, Thai people are servants of their own pseudo military governement.

Really? I lived with Thai people for years in areas with zero farangs except me, and one wouldn't even know there was a military government.

[VBF]

On 8/15/2019 at 4:32 AM, freebyrd said:

I've lived here in Cambodia quite happily for 13 years, one man's meat.....

Quite possibly, but 2 questions occur:

Are you in Sihanoukville (or have you visited recently) ?

If not, is wherever you are living suffering from the so-called Chinese Invasion?

[freebyrd]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Really? I lived with Thai people for years in areas with zero farangs except me, and one wouldn't even know there was a military government.

Lucky you. Actually I'm rather surprised that an old TVF hand like you took me so literally.

[freebyrd]

3 hours ago, VBF said:

Quite possibly, but 2 questions occur:

Are you in Sihanoukville (or have you visited recently) ?

If not, is wherever you are living suffering from the so-called Chinese Invasion?

No I started avoiding SHV long ago. I'm in Phnom Penh and the Chinese are everywhere. There are a lot of villas on the street nearby that are packed with Chinese. The Chinese invasion certainly isn't 'so called', hence our move to somewhere more rural before the years end.

Edited August 16, 2019 by freebyrd

[VBF]

3 minutes ago, freebyrd said:

No I started avoiding SHV long ago. I'm in Phnom Penh and the Chinese are everywhere. There are a lot of villas on the street nearby that are packed with Chinese. The Chinese invasion certainly isn't 'so called', hence our move to somewhere more rural before the years end.

Thanks....so where in Cambodia would you recommend, not necessarily for living but for a short sojourn from say, Pattaya.

Single guy, likes the ladies but also like to chill out near water.

Bear in mind that I've "done all the sites" in PP, Siem Reap, SHV but not recently (2013)  I'm really just curious to hear from someone who knows LoS and Cambodia fairly well.

[Tony125]

https://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/asia/chinese-mafia-taking-over-idyllic-cambodian-beach/news-story/23e247e1af47257c2ff9e90c7112548e

This Cambodian city is turning into a Chinese enclave, and not everyone is happy

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/this-cambodian-city-is-turning-into-a-chinese-enclave-and-not-everyone-is-happy/2018/03/28/6c8963b0-2d8e-11e8-911f-ca7f68bff0fc_story.html?noredirect=on

[PoorSucker]

I was there first time by boat. 

Can not recognize it anymore. 

Will not return. 

https://www.scmp.com/video/scmp-originals/3021938/change-cambodia-sihanoukvilles-chinese-influx

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, Mansinthe said:

Just imagine if more chinese start to travel abroad.. all these empty places will be full.

 

So far only a small percentage of chinese has a passport if im correct.

 

And if more Indians get wealthy enough they will be everywhere as well.

 

 

You only have to look at Walking Street in Pattaya. The vast majority appear to be Indians these days with hardly a falang in sight.

 

Few of them appear to ever spend any money though.

[Assurancetourix]

On 8/14/2019 at 10:19 AM, Matzzon said:

Yes, it´s not good, and the same will happen in Vietnam too, due to that they are not ready for the giantic invasion. Better everybody stop complain so much about Thailand and stay put and happy.

I don't think so;

Vietnam hate China since more than 2,000 years ;

They are still at war, especially in the Paracel Islands.
Chinese tourists are rare and will remain so (rare) in Vietnam.
And so much the better for this very beautiful country and its dynamic people.

[sunnyboy2018]

On 8/14/2019 at 4:10 AM, emptypockets said:

Vietnamese working girls in Cambodia? 

Correct.

[sunnyboy2018]

On 8/18/2019 at 7:34 AM, yogi100 said:

You only have to look at Walking Street in Pattaya. The vast majority appear to be Indians these days with hardly a falang in sight.

 

Few of them appear to ever spend any money though.

They spend a lot of money in Restaurants and Indian Clubs, the latter  of which there has been growth and expansion.

[sunnyboy2018]

On 8/16/2019 at 7:31 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Really? I lived with Thai people for years in areas with zero farangs except me, and one wouldn't even know there was a military government.

Then they did not read newspapers, listen to the radio, or watch TV and they would have to have been blind, deaf and dumb. Its not that Thais dont know about the military coup and subsequent oppression and the misnanagement of the nation but that they are too frightened to discuss such matters.

[Matzzon]

4 hours ago, Assurancetourix said:

I don't think so;

Vietnam hate China since more than 2,000 years ;

They are still at war, especially in the Paracel Islands.
Chinese tourists are rare and will remain so (rare) in Vietnam.
And so much the better for this very beautiful country and its dynamic people.

So, in your opinion China is the factor that makes things bad. Yeah ok, live in your dream. There are more factors to consider.

[yogi100]

9 hours ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

They spend a lot of money in Restaurants and Indian Clubs, the latter  of which there has been growth and expansion.

That's not what the girls say.

[Nyezhov]

6 hours ago, Matzzon said:

So, in your opinion China is the factor that makes things bad. Yeah ok, live in your dream. There are more factors to consider.

Not in connection with Vietnam to China. The Little Tiger hates the Big Tiger.

[spidermike007]

Some friends of mine visited there recently and told me all of the ex-pats had already left the area. It is now almost entirely Chinese owned. Massive development are going up, or being planned. It is the next Chinese colony. 40% of all the foreign direct investment in Cambodia is now Chinese. The name will eventually be changed to Cambochina. 

[spidermike007]

15 hours ago, Matzzon said:

So, in your opinion China is the factor that makes things bad. Yeah ok, live in your dream. There are more factors to consider.

 

Well, there is no question that China is a threat, on a dozen different levels. They were the world leader (as long as you ignore the Eurocentric history books) from around 1100 AD to around 1800AD, and they did have control of many of the world seas. As far as they are concerned, they are simply trying to regain their rightful place in history. And it is my belief, they will stop at nothing to achieve that. So, we do need to be concerned, and ignoring their intentions will lead to great peril.

 

Xi, and the rest of his cronies are smart, determined, have a lot of money and power to back them up, and they will succeed. No doubt that within 20-30 years they will eclipse the US as the economic leader of the world. 

[mercman24]

so you were there 10 years ago, ? and giving an opinion in 2019, did you know what Thailand was like 10 years ago. one country is going one way, and one is going the other, i will let you make up your own mind as to which is which

[Berkshire]

56 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

 

Well, there is no question that China is a threat, on a dozen different levels. They were the world leader (as long as you ignore the Eurocentric history books) from around 1100 AD to around 1800AD, and they did have control of many of the world seas. As far as they are concerned, they are simply trying to regain their rightful place in history. And it is my belief, they will stop at nothing to achieve that. So, we do need to be concerned, and ignoring their intentions will lead to great peril.

 

Xi, and the rest of his cronies are smart, determined, have a lot of money and power to back them up, and they will succeed. No doubt that within 20-30 years they will eclipse the US as the economic leader of the world. 

China is doing what Russia wants to do, except the Chinese have infinitely more resources....as well as patience.  They're already making significant inroads in Africa and South America.  It seems they have a particular eye on countries with weak economies and corrupt leadership.  And Cambodia fits the bill perfectly.  I do feel sorry for the indigenous folks.  In a few years, the common Cambodian won't have much of a country left...at least one that they can call their own.   

[VBF]

This popped up in my newsfeed yesterday....Cambodian town of Sihanoukville scarred by Chinese influence (link)

Quite poignant in places 

Edited August 21, 2019 by VBF

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

No doubt that within 20-30 years they will eclipse the US as the economic leader of the world.

No doubt!? Ooh, great. Then why be concerned and/or worried about something you describe as difinite? Why worry over something you can´t change. Just endless talk again, right?

[spidermike007]

10 hours ago, Matzzon said:

No doubt!? Ooh, great. Then why be concerned and/or worried about something you describe as difinite? Why worry over something you can´t change. Just endless talk again, right?

Because this is a forum, and discussing issues is what we do on here. Endless talk is the very point of this forum. Hello?

[phycokiller]

22 hours ago, yogi100 said:

That's not what the girls say.

I dont know, they look pretty well fed these days