Teenager Thunberg angrily tells U.N. climate summit 'you have stolen my dreams'

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The UN was formed to create co operation among humans and nations- how's it working out?

well, it appears that UN are not doing a great job at the moment, but, if you think that some 3000 yrs ago we were still divided in tribes, fighting each other with sticks and stones, we have made some progress, even if just on utopian imagination.

so, civilisation is not a bad thing, it just needs a lot of work to be perfected.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

well, it appears that UN are not doing a great job at the moment, but, if you think that some 3000 yrs ago we were still divided in tribes, fighting each other with sticks and stones, we have made some progress, even if just on utopian imagination.

so, civilisation is not a bad thing, it just needs a lot of work to be perfected.

Not disagreeing, but have you considered that many nations now have the power to obliterate their enemies, and that power is producing a reluctance to go to war. It used to be called MAD ( mutual assured destruction ).

The non nuclear armed nations seem to have no such reluctance to go to war, either civil or against other nations eg Syria, Yemen, the Congo etc.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not disagreeing, but have you considered that many nations now have the power to obliterate their enemies, and that power is producing a reluctance to go to war. It used to be called MAD ( mutual assured destruction ).

The non nuclear armed nations seem to have no such reluctance to go to war, either civil or against other nations eg Syria, Yemen, the Congo etc.

Surely we are still far away in making the planet a paradise, but doing a little work for the benefit of all is better than succumb to fear.

[RideJocky]

Come on TBL, you’ve made a claim, back it up:

 

So which governments pay people to reproduce?

 

I know the US & Thailand both do, so I’m guessing many others do as well.

[RideJocky]

Surely we are still far away in making the planet a paradise, but doing a little work for the benefit of all is better than succumb to fear.

Compared to what it was 200 years ago, the planet is a paradise.

[RideJocky]

Once again you’ve got your blinkers on and your narrow view ensues.

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Unfortunately the current US administration and for too long the US Christian rightwing have actively undermined efforts to provide access to reproductive health services, contraception and reproductive health education.
 

Any you’re accusing someone else of wearing blinders?

It’s your position that young people in the US do not know where babies come from or how to avoid having one?

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

 

Compared to what it was 200 years ago, the planet is a paradise.

Perhaps paradise is a bit exaggerated, but, yes, it's true that we are slightly better.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, RideJocky said:

 

I know the US & Thailand both do, so I’m guessing many others do as well.

NZ does, and I'm pretty sure countries like Japan and Singapore with falling birth rates provide incentives of some sort.

Google no doubt provides the answers for any that really want to know.

[Morch]

43 minutes ago, RickBradford said:

Not just her parents are using her as a human shield. 

 

If you look at the career path and affiliations of Greta’s two main handlers, Jennifer Morgan and Luisa-Marie Neubauer, you will see some very familiar names and companies pop up.

 

http://www.wrongkindofgreen.org/2019/02/24/the-manufacturing-of-greta-thunberg-a-decade-of-social-manipulation-for-the-corporate-capture-of-nature-crescendo/?fbclid=IwAR37P-QXqhAzs3kf2qr-Efu0N_tcOxQjgnD90RN-jPXo7SysIlNxAt6-8yI

 

Brought to your by dodgy-sources-are-us.

Even if one takes this piece at face value, a short look at what else is on offer puts things into question. And apart from this - Cory Morningstar? Seriously? Always wondering if people posting stuff from such authors actually follow them or just pick the first echo-chamber bit that fits. 

[Bluespunk]

54 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I was under the impression it worked too well and the Chinese government was worried the population would fall too far.

Otherwise they could have stopped it for political reasons. I wasn't in the room when they made the decision to know for sure.

 

You didn't read what I wrote did you? I said everyone should be sterilized after having ONE child. Where's the choice in that?

 

BTW, I'm still waiting for your solutions to the problem.

So your solution is forced sterilisation?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

So your solution is forced sterilisation?

Did I include "voluntary" anywhere?

I see you continue to snipe at me while refusing to say what your solutions would be, there fore I shall endeavour to ignore anything you post about myself, till such time as you do inform us as to what your solutions may be.

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[Bluespunk]

12 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Did I include "voluntary" anywhere?

I see you continue to snipe at me while refusing to say what your solutions would be, there fore I shall endeavour to ignore anything you post about myself, till such time as you do inform us as to what your solutions may be.

Give me a while, I need to think of something equally insane and completely unworkable that reeks of authoritarian totalitarianism and takes no account of those who will be affected or the consequences of such a barbaric policy. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I can see baiting when it's so obvious.

Asking you to substantiate a claim you made is not baiting TBL and should not pose you any problems provided you can back up your claims.

 

It appears though that you cannot.

 

So you accuse me of baiting.

 

[Scott]

An off-topic post with video has been removed.  

 

Also a baiting flame

 

[samran]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

There's a lot of land in the middle of Australia and it can't all be an artesian basin.

There's loads of people in the world that always come up with a reason for us not to do something, and if they'd been successful we'd still be living in caves and drawing on the walls with a stick because it would be a bad idea to live outside and farm the land.

The world we live in was created by the can do people disregarding the can't do people, and I'm grateful to them, that I don't have to live in a cave.

Wow... the point about aboriginal land doesn’t even get addressed. 

 

Are we any closer to you letting us know whether you’d allow a nuclear waste dump in your backyard? 

 

Your silence - on both issues - speaks volumes. 

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 

Any you’re accusing someone else of wearing blinders?

It’s your position that young people in the US do not know where babies come from or how to avoid having one?
 

 

Erm no, that’s not my position nor is something I have stated or implied.

 

Next.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Alas, our entire way of life is built on consumerism, and consumerism is built on waste and obsolescence. Entire communities in poor countries like Bangladesh live on the proceeds of western women throwing away last years fashions and buying new, despite the old clothes being perfectly good.

 

The UN was formed to create co operation among humans and nations- how's it working out?

We’ll make an environmentalist if you yet, perhaps even on the left of the spectrum.

[RideJocky]

Asking you to substantiate a claim you made is not baiting TBL and should not pose you any problems provided you can back up your claims.
 
It appears though that you cannot.
 
So you accuse me of baiting.
 

At least one of his claims was substantiated.

Thailand and the US both pay people to reproduce.

Guess you had your “blinkers” on.

Next

[DrTuner]

6 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Apparently, when the people are desperate are easier to manipulate, so let's not carried away by scenarios of doom and gloom.

Not everything is lost.

I hope that, besides developing 'cleaner' sources of energy and reducing the plastic waste, we can also learn to live with less, and develop a spirit of cooperation among humans and nations.

I think this is the correct attitude:

 

The limitations of the planet won't be acknowledged until it's too late and wars ensue, history tells us that. The only question is how big a fight it'll be.

[brokenbone]

Gents: the end is nigh, our only hope for salvation,

given USSR track of really caring for environment,

is to resign authority to a global centralized commie state,

and let them handle our future.

 

[Nigel Garvie]

6 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

well, it appears that UN are not doing a great job at the moment, but, if you think that some 3000 yrs ago we were still divided in tribes, fighting each other with sticks and stones, we have made some progress, even if just on utopian imagination.

so, civilisation is not a bad thing, it just needs a lot of work to be perfected.

I like this. I always recommend "The New Enlightenment" by Steven Pinker. It is packed with information that is positive news, much of it quite surprising to progressives who believe that there is no progress. 

[Odysseus123]

5 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I like this. I always recommend "The New Enlightenment" by Steven Pinker. It is packed with information that is positive news, much of it quite surprising to progressives who believe that there is no progress. 

I have "The New Enlightenment " on order as I was very impressed by his previous book "The Better Angels of Our Nature".

 

Pinker is also very good on YouTube..

 

Stephen Fry and Steven Pinker,

 

 

[canuckamuck]

Just 12 years left

[Nigel Garvie]

8 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I haven't followed this thread but I firmly believe in climate change hoax.  At the rate the hoax is rising we are dangerously close to being inundated by BS.  Climate change hoax is serious and people and governments must do something to stop it or we are doomed to be forced to accept sheer propaganda with no turning back.

I tend to believe in experts, unlike Gove. I always wished I could have asked him if he would like a plumber to perform his open heart surgery. 

 

I have attached beneath an excerpt from a blog by Carrick Ryan. I couldn't find a link to the exact piece but you can Google him. He starts:-

As a rule I will not debate climate science with anyone. I am not qualified: and more than likely neither are you.

 

The graph illustrates the problem we have with understanding things of which we have little experience, and how that little experience can still  lead us to have great confidence in our beliefs. Of course experience and knowledge are not the same thing, some have masses of one without accumulating any of the second, but I'll leave it there. I call it the Dumming Kruger Effect.

[Nigel Garvie]

27 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said:

I have "The New Enlightenment". on order as I was very impressed by his previous book "The Better Angels of Our Nature".

 

Yes "The Better Angels of Our Nature" is great. I expect you will enjoy "The New Enlightenment".  Even better IMHO but a big read. I take it in modest doses!

[mauGR1]

9 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I tend to believe in experts, unlike Gove. I always wished I could have asked him if he would like a plumber to perform his open heart surgery. 

 

I have attached beneath an excerpt from a blog by Carrick Ryan. I couldn't find a link to the exact piece but you can Google him. He starts:-

As a rule I will not debate climate science with anyone. I am not qualified: and more than likely neither are you.

 

The graph illustrates the problem we have with understanding things of which we have little experience, and how that little experience can still  lead us to have great confidence in our beliefs. Of course experience and knowledge are not the same thing, some have masses of one without accumulating any of the second, but I'll leave it there. I call it the Dumming Kruger Effect.

Ok, nothing wrong with your post, but i have a little objection.

If i wanted to sell, say, solar panels, i can hire a scientist or 2, and let them explain to the populace, on a newspaper page which i can buy, that solar panels are good for you and for the environment.

After making some money with solar panels, i can finance another scientific study, that highlights how solar panels are somehow damaging the environment, while, say, wind turbines are the real solution.. and the cycle goes on..

Now, i'm not saying that wind turbines or solar panels or nuclear energy are the right (or the wrong) choice, i'm just saying that it's the economic interest who is on the driver's seat, and we have to be vigilant on where it's taking us.

[Odysseus123]

A few days ago my mate and I were fishing on the banks of a beautiful river.

 

The local council had made a small park with all amenities including a floating jetty designed for disabled persons (such as myself)) and as we cast our lines in we watched a pod of dolphins cruise majestically along...

 

After contemplating the cobalt blue sky,the green fields and old man river for a while I turned to my friend and said "It's a wonderful world,isn't it?"

 

"Yeah and it's the only one that we have got."

 

So every little bit helps.

 

[DrTuner]

19 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Ok, nothing wrong with your post, but i have a little objection.

If i wanted to sell, say, solar panels, i can hire a scientist or 2, and let them explain to the populace, on a newspaper page which i can buy, that solar panels are good for you and for the environment.

After making some money with solar panels, i can finance another scientific study, that highlights how solar panels are somehow damaging the environment, while, say, wind turbines are the real solution.. and the cycle goes on..

Now, i'm not saying that wind turbines or solar panels or nuclear energy are the right (or the wrong) choice, i'm just saying that it's the economic interest who is on the driver's seat, and we have to be vigilant on where it's taking us.

And, while there might not be many climate scientist here, there are seasoned business people and those with experience on research funding, who would be on the right side of that D-K curve. Money talks.

[BritManToo]

55 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I have attached beneath an excerpt from a blog by Carrick Ryan. I couldn't find a link to the exact piece but you can Google him. He starts:-

As a rule I will not debate climate science with anyone. I am not qualified: and more than likely neither are you.

 

Those who currently study 'climate science', would be the people that historically studied 'sociology'

It's a easy degree, no quality high school grades required, no real science involved, and you can pass by agreeing with your lecturers.

Real degrees are in medicine, pharmacy, physics, electronics, engineering.

 

Apparently, from the OP, a socially inept 16 year old girl is as worthy of debating climate science as anyone else.