Trump threatens Turkey with 'extremely decimated economy' over Syria

[GroveHillWanderer]

This is such a bad decision that even Trump's most ardent supporters in the Republican party are fiercely criticising him.

Lindsey Graham stated as follows:

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"By abandoning the Kurds we have sent the most dangerous signal possible – America is an unreliable ally and it's just a matter of time before China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea act out in dangerous ways."

 

The president, he said, "may be tired of fighting radical Islam. They are NOT tired of fighting us." He warned that the "decision to abandon our Kurdish allies and turn Syria over to Russia, Iran, & Turkey will put every radical Islamist on steroid."

 

 

Graham continued:

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"this decision virtually reassures the reemergence of ISIS. [...] It's a "shot in the arm to the bad guys" and "devastating for the good guys." 

 

Mitch McConnell made a statement that reads, in part:

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“A precipitous withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria would only benefit Russia, Iran, and the Assad regime. And it would increase the risk that ISIS and other terrorist groups regroup."

 

Marco Rubio tweeted,

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"If reports about US retreat in Syria are accurate, the Trump administration has made a grave mistake that will have implications far beyond Syria." He noted that it would "confirm Iran's view of this administration," potentially causing an escalation in their attacks and possibly a broader regional war. 

 

Even Fox & Friends have come out against this decision. Host Brian Kilmeade said this:

 

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“We defeated the caliphate, the caliphate is destroyed, we wouldn't have done that without the Kurds who did all of our fighting... The reason why our casualties were so low is because the Kurds did all the fighting. Now we’re saying, ‘OK Turks, go wipe them out or force them out.’ What kind of message is that to the next ally who wants to side with us?”

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by GroveHillWanderer

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, webfact said:

U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, a Democrat, called on Trump to "reverse this dangerous decision" to withdraw, saying in a statement that it threatened regional security and sent a message to Iran and Russia, as well as U.S. allies, that the United States is no longer a trusted partner

everybody (by now) knows the US is no longer at trusted partner, it all started after Trump was elect and went around claiming America First, nothing wrong with that everybody wants their country to be first.... anyway Vlad must be smiling

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

He's a doer not just a talker like the guy before him.

What took him so long?

 

1 hour ago, JHolmesJr said:

He is keeping his promises....to get America out of other people's

business.

Accoding to him there are 50 U.S. personnel affected.

 

 

This is more about leaving Kurdish allies hanging, and playing into Syria, Russia and Iran's hands.

 

And allowing ISIS to reform.

 

 

 

He's definitely a talker.

 

A doer? Meh.

 

 

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by mtls2005

[Mavideol]

6 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

Lindsey Graham stated as follows:

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"By abandoning the Kurds we have sent the most dangerous signal possible – America is an unreliable ally and it's just a matter of time before China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea act out in dangerous ways."

Graham #1 Trump supporter finally said it the way it is, the US is alone, nobody will fight side by side with them, they are no longer a trusted partner, Vlad, Xi, Kim are having the last laugh

[White Christmas13]

12 hours ago, car720 said:

This guy is sick

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and replies have been removed. 

[Jingthing]

You heard it here first. If 45 crashes and burns out of the presidency the Republicans will nominate Nickki Haley in 2020 and if they do she'll be very hard to beat.

 

Up till now she's been super diplomatic towards 45.

 

That just changed big time in response to the cave to Turkey.

 

I think this is really a big deal.

 

Slowly now less slowly 45's republican wall is crumbling.

 

 

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/10/07/politics/nikki-haley-donald-trump-syria-troops-brett-mcgurk/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2F

 

 

Washington (CNN) — Nikki Haley, President Donald Trump's former ambassador to the United Nations, issued stinging criticism of her former boss on Monday, saying Trump's decision to remove US troops from northern Syria as Turkey plans a military offensive in the region means the US is leaving Kurdish allies "to die."

 

"We must always have the backs of our allies, if we expect them to have our back.

 

 

 

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[mtls2005]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

You heard it here first. If 45 burns out of the presidency the Republicans will nominate Nicky Haley and if they do she'll be very hard to beat.

 

Pro: She jumped ship early. But she had been sucking up to him a bit recently.

 

Con: She was complicit. And maybe she penned that anonymous OpEd piece?

 

 

She had been rumored to replace Pence as VP, assuming the president can pin the blame on Pence.

[sirineou]

19 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

She had been rumored to replace Pence as VP, assuming the president can pin the blame on Pence.

 If the VP was removed,She could be nominated to replace the VP but Congress would have to approve the nomination.

I would take Haley over trump or Pence any time.

[JHolmesJr]

57 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Graham #1 Trump supporter finally said it the way it is, the US is alone, nobody will fight side by side with them, they are no longer a trusted partner, Vlad, Xi, Kim are having the last laugh

 

I don't think Lindsey is trumps friend. He is merely courting Trumps base so he can have a go in 2024.

I think he's be an excellent and formidable president...the dems will soil their knickers if he gets elected

somehow.

[chokrai]

13 hours ago, car720 said:

Just a little curiosity.

Was Sala Hadin, the legendary saviour of all the muslims, a kurd?

I think he was.

[johnnybangkok]

27 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

I don't think Lindsey is trumps friend. He is merely courting Trumps base so he can have a go in 2024.

I think he's be an excellent and formidable president...the dems will soil their knickers if he gets elected

somehow.

Is this all you care about? Doing over the Dems? Everything you have said says the same thing. It doesn’t matter how much harm his decision do to the the US, as long as it’s pi**ing off the Dems you’re ok with it. 
People are putting to you clear, coherent, and valid points about why this is a truly awful idea (and you know it’s THAT bad when spineless Republicans are even calling it out). 
If you believe in America first then there’s a bigger game being played (one that’s way over Trumps head) and this Awful decision will come back and haunt us all, especially America. 

[sfokevin]

13 hours ago, car720 said:

 

13 hours ago, a340bangla1 said:

great and unmatched wisdom...

Me thinks he lays in bed alone rereading Kim’s love letters... 

[lagavulin1]

23 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I just can't see how Trump respecting a foreign nations sovereignty and pulling out troops that never should have been there in the first place is a yet another reason to bash him. Peace is still a good thing, right? Good luck to the Syrians sorting out their own problems. Stop droning and displacing poor Syrian kids like 44 did - this has Nobel written all over it.

I think threatening to <deleted> up the Turkish economy may be sufficient grounds to hate him a little more. Just a question. Can anybody suggest a list of countries NOT subject to Tariffs? 

[thaiguzzi]

15 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

I just can't see how Trump respecting a foreign nations sovereignty and pulling out troops that never should have been there in the first place is a yet another reason to bash him.

15 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

this has Nobel written all over it.

16 hours ago, webfact said:

I, in my great and unmatched wisdom,

Jesus H Christ.

Unbelievable any intelligent person could say that.

I mean, this a train wreck about to go off the rails.

[White Christmas13]

3 hours ago, sfokevin said:

 

Me thinks he lays in bed alone rereading Kim’s love letters... 

are you talking about kim kardashian ?

[englishoak]

This is also about Israel and Bibi , House of Saud and MBS, the US both Dems and Reps neocon ongoing plans along with Europes all trying to keep the US mired in the region which should be obvious by now..

 

Snce Impeachment intends to try and remove POTUS there is no more point playing nice,Ukraine only got moving once Biden was exposed and Clinton is just begging in the wings to run if asked to get the plans back on track

 

Stuff dosnt just happen all at the same time without planning this has been building for a while. The question is still whether there are around fifteen people in the Senate that can be convinced to get rid of him. The first five are already signed up – Graham, Rubio, Romney, Collins, Murkowski. Just needs some more and then its game on and is SHTF time for real. 

 

Interesting how the prospect of US troops not being involved in yet another war in Syria is unpopular.  Warmongers on the left, warmongers on the right it seems. Careful what you wish for, the hate for Orange man staying out of wars might just get a lot of US soldiers and others killed again very soon.

 

Funny but not. 

 

Edited October 8, 2019 by englishoak

[alanrchase]

This is also about Israel and Bibi , House of Saud and MBS, the US both Dems and Reps neocon ongoing plans along with Europes all trying to keep the US mired in the region which should be obvious by now..
 
Snce Impeachment intends to try and remove POTUS there is no more point playing nice,Ukraine only got moving once Biden was exposed and Clinton is just begging in the wings to run if asked to get the plans back on track
 
Stuff dosnt just happen all at the same time without planning this has been building for a while. The question is still whether there are around fifteen people in the Senate that can be convinced to get rid of him. The first five are already signed up – Graham, Rubio, Romney, Collins, Murkowski. Just needs some more and then its game on and is SHTF time for real. 
 
Interesting how the prospect of US troops not being involved in yet another war in Syria is unpopular.  Warmongers on the left, warmongers on the right it seems. Careful what you wish for, the hate for Orange man staying out of wars might just get a lot of US soldiers and others killed again very soon.
 
Funny but not. 
 

It is not about US troops being involved in Syria or not. It is about giving Turkey permission to go into northern Syria which is an area held by Kurds and what the Turks may possibly do to those Kurds.

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[LomSak27]

10 hours ago, lagavulin1 said:

I think threatening to <deleted> up the Turkish economy may be sufficient grounds to hate him a little more. Just a question. Can anybody suggest a list of countries NOT subject to Tariffs? 

 

That threat was in response to Republican criticism, yes Bipartisan, if Turkey attacks the Kurds which the Turkish dictator, er, sorry the Turkish PM, assured him would not happen .... well at least more than five miles from a border.  Get a dictator on the Phone with Trump and her turns into a little happy puppy. Puke.

 

Use the Kurds to fight ISIS, now abandon them to Turkey, Got to hand it to Trump for hitting a new low. I just did not think he could go lower. My mistake.

[jcsmith]

Well that didn't take long...
 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-09/turkey-says-its-military-will-cross-syrian-border-shortly

Unparalleled wisdom...

Edited October 9, 2019 by jcsmith

[JamesBlond]

Trump may be an idiot, but the world is a bigger idiot, and this was exactly the right thing to say to Turkey.

The US can't stand physically between the Turks and the Kurds forever.

[Thomas J]

No matter what Trump does he is wrong.  If he stayed in Syria his detractors would call him a war monger and that he failed to keep his promise to withdraw from the endless wars.  Now he chooses to withdraw and they say he is abandoning the Syrians leaving them open to persecution by the Turks.  Now the USA should have never entered the fray in the first place.  Now that the USA is there, where are all the rest of the countries of the world.  Why is it always just a USA problem laid on its doorstep?  

[johnnybangkok]

30 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

No matter what Trump does he is wrong.  If he stayed in Syria his detractors would call him a war monger and that he failed to keep his promise to withdraw from the endless wars.  Now he chooses to withdraw and they say he is abandoning the Syrians leaving them open to persecution by the Turks.  Now the USA should have never entered the fray in the first place.  Now that the USA is there, where are all the rest of the countries of the world.  Why is it always just a USA problem laid on its doorstep?  

Firstly it's the Kurds not the Syrians.

 

Secondly, the Kurds were (and still are) allies in the fight against ISIS. Abandoning them sends out a REALLY bad message that the US will stab you in the back when your help isn't needed any more.

 

Thirdly, the US led a coalition of troops from Australia, Canada, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Turkey and the United Kingdom.

 

The French led a coalition consisting of Albania, Austria, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Estonia, Finland, Georgia, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Kosovo, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Moldova, Montenegro, Morocco, New Zealand, Portugal, South Korea, Romania, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Somalia, Sweden, Taiwan and Ukraine.

 

Saudi Arabia's coalition included Bahrain, Bangladesh, Benin, Chad, Comoros, Côte d'Ivoire, Djibouti, Egypt, Gabon, Guinea, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Maldives, Mali, Malaysia, Morocco, Mauritania, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Somalia, Sudan, Turkey, Togo, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

 

So it wasn't just the US involved but being the US, they stayed on in the greater fight going on with/against Assad whilst most other countries got the hell out once ISIS had been crippled. They therefore have an obligation to see things through and by abandoning the Kurds like this, they are opening the door to a resurgence of ISIS, which can see the whole thing escalate again.

 

You cannot for years profess to be the 'worlds policeman' and then decide overnight to not. The ramifications are just too great for Trumps (and yours) overly simplistic 'why is it always just a USA problem laid on its doorstep' and 'America First' nonsense. If you don't want to be this then don't get involved in the first place and if you do, see it through to it's end conclusion.

[johnnybangkok]

57 minutes ago, JamesBlond said:

Trump may be an idiot, but the world is a bigger idiot, and this was exactly the right thing to say to Turkey.

The US can't stand physically between the Turks and the Kurds forever.

Yes it can. It's stood 'physically' between North and South Korea for 66 years and counting. 

[JamesBlond]

48 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Yes it can. It's stood 'physically' between North and South Korea for 66 years and counting. 

And achieved nothing except keep the tension high. In any case, Korea is a temporary political problem that will resolve itself sooner or later once a few idiots have gone. The Kurdish issue is not going to go away - ever. It's not the US's responsibility to keep them apart, though apparently people are now demanding that, simply to oppose Trump. 

[billd766]

20 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

 

He's a doer not just a talker like the guy before him.

He is keeping his promises....to get America out of other people's

business. Not a good idea to stay embroiled in islamic countries and 

being party to their infighting. Let them sort it out on their own.

We have already seen what happened to Russia in Afghanistan.

Why did it happen to the Russians?

 

Could it have been that the USA trained the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan and gave them weapons and ammunition?

 

Then to top that the USA then invaded Afghanistan themselves.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–present)

 

The War in Afghanistan (or the US War in Afghanistan or the Afghanistan War), code named Operation Enduring Freedom (2001–14) and Operation Freedom's Sentinel (2015–present),[56][57] followed the United States invasion of Afghanistan[58] of 7 October 2001, when the United States of America and its allies successfully drove the Taliban from power in order to deny al-Qaeda a safe base of operations in Afghanistan.[59][60] Since the initial objectives were completed, a coalition of over 40 countries (including all NATO members) formed a security mission in the country. The war has since mostly involved US and allied Afghan government troops battling Taliban insurgents.[61] The war in Afghanistan is the longest war in US history. This war was entered into without any forward planning or thought of long term stabilisation of Afghanistan.[62]

[jcsmith]

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

No matter what Trump does he is wrong.  

Even the majority of republicans were against this move. There was a huge backlash from it.