Airbnb draws up guidelines for Thai landlords

[DLock]

Airbnb is awesome or the worst depending on if you are the neighbor of 10 Chinese men in a studio apartment in Pattaya, or the Owner getting paid.

 

...but its here to stay. Just like Grab.

 

I dislike Airbnb and when I consider condos to invest in, I ask if I can rent with Airbnb, and the answer is invariably a very enthusiastic "can, can, no problem". So many of these condos are being sold with the expectation that I can use Airbnb, so of course they aren't going to put too much effort to end it....and the only people that can end it is the Juristic management. Existing condos are spent money...there is no upside.

 

The police cannot and won't do anything. Immigration is the only department that can help. I know first hand that you can ban Airbnb from your condo/moo Baan...but it's a very difficult frustrating fight, and best left to another post.

 

Proof.

 

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, madmen said:

air BNB always return my emails within the hour usually. Their customer service is mindblowing and a big part of their success. Something is not adding up . maybe try doing it for her

Not so sure about that, I booked a one bed apartment on the Gold Coast in Australia with Air bnb, in an on-line discussion with the owner I asked for confirmation that the location was 5 minutes drive to a local specific hospital, and she confirmed '5 minutes' and suggested a taxi operator to call to book a 5 minute taxi ride at a suggested AUD35-. 

 

I've since discovered it's a 45 minute drive (not 5 minute drive) to the hospital, and the suggested taxi cost AUD140-.

 

I insisted on cancelling the apartment booking and requested a refund of the deposit paid, after some silly e-mails from the owner based around 'I didn't realize how important it was for the location to be very close to the hospital and I'll be more careful in the future but I can't afford to refund your deposit' I sent an e-mail to the Australian national Air bnb office, I did get my refund 4 weeks later.

 

I won't be using Air bnb again. 

 

 

[Destiny1990]

I guess that People who like airbnb will say its legal and people who don’t like airbnb will say its illegal.

[CygnusX1]

37 minutes ago, Destiny1990 said:

I guess that People who like airbnb will say its legal and people who don’t like airbnb will say its illegal.

I think you mean to say that those who like airbnb will say that it SHOULD be legal, and those who don’t like it say it should be illegal. I love airbnb, best thing that’s ever happened to the tourism industry, but reluctantly have to concede that in Thailand it’s illegal for stays of less than 30 days. Fortunately not in other countries I visit.

[ttrd]

16 hours ago, worgeordie said:

I thought AirBNB,was illegal in Thailand,or have things changed.

regards Worgeordie

The same came to my mind based on previous statements from the government, but we may assume that to put a real stop for AirBnB will be as challenging as to prevent the sun from shining ... 

[ehs818]

I like the AirBnB concept and have stayed in locations in the USA. I've been pleased! However, on my soi in S. Pattaya there are 2 houses that rent out thru AirBnB and other websites.  Both houses have pools and those get used during the day, and at night. But there needs to be a night time CURFEW ENFORCED. Signs should be posted and a contact number for the owners should be supplied. Some of us go to work in the morning and I've had these renters up screaming loudly past 3:30am. Unacceptable.

[malibukid]

AirbnB has killed affordable housing in California.

[Scott]

Grammar Nazi post reported and removed.  

 

[ttrd]

13 minutes ago, ehs818 said:

I like the AirBnB concept and have stayed in locations in the USA. I've been pleased! However, on my soi in S. Pattaya there are 2 houses that rent out thru AirBnB and other websites.  Both houses have pools and those get used during the day, and at night. But there needs to be a night time CURFEW ENFORCED. Signs should be posted and a contact number for the owners should be supplied. Some of us go to work in the morning and I've had these renters up screaming loudly past 3:30am. Unacceptable.

RE - Both houses have pools and those get used during the day, and at night.

 

* Arrange a way to drain out the water every afternoon or to add a tiny hungry crocodile - the last option is quicker, but may create some noise at first - just for a short while only ... 

[newnative]

Guideline #1.  It is illegal to rent condos short-term in Thailand and any owners using Airbnb to illegally rent their condos short-term will be permanently banned from using Airbnb.

[alex8912]

11 hours ago, scorecard said:

Not so sure about that, I booked a one bed apartment on the Gold Coast in Australia with Air bnb, in an on-line discussion with the owner I asked for confirmation that the location was 5 minutes drive to a local specific hospital, and she confirmed '5 minutes' and suggested a taxi operator to call to book a 5 minute taxi ride at a suggested AUD35-. 

 

I've since discovered it's a 45 minute drive (not 5 minute drive) to the hospital, and the suggested taxi cost AUD140-.

 

I insisted on cancelling the apartment booking and requested a refund of the deposit paid, after some silly e-mails from the owner based around 'I didn't realize how important it was for the location to be very close to the hospital and I'll be more careful in the future but I can't afford to refund your deposit' I sent an e-mail to the Australian national Air bnb office, I did get my refund 4 weeks later.

 

I won't be using Air bnb again. 

 

 

Honestly your complaint is lame. It’s too easy to know the exact address of the hospital and exact address of the Air bnb. How in this day and age would you not be able to tell the distance and even time from point A to point B easily?? 

[mickey rat]

15 hours ago, Skallywag said:

I have noticed Indian men never speak in a quiet tone, even on a baht bus when their friends are right next to them,

And, what about the locals? I can hear when the neighbor is talking on the phone from three doors down. ???? Must be a long distance call. ????

[Pinot]

Airbnb is illegal in LOS but it's not enforced. I wouldn't be happy if I bought a condo (never going to happen) and new neighbors every few days. Rentals have to be 30 days in Thailand. 

 

If the hotel association ever got their act together they could eliminate the Airbnb competition. 

 

I was scammed on a four-night stay in BKK. I thought I rented an apartment and it turned out to be a tiny studio. Airbnb would do nothing and when I wrote up a damning review they wrote me up as a terrible guest and now some people won't rent to me because of it. Beware.

 

I use Airbnb in Europe where I travel a couple months a year. 

[Ajvat37]

18 hours ago, worgeordie said:

I thought AirBNB,was illegal in Thailand,or have things changed.

regards Worgeordie

 I guarantee a tm30 is not done on the majority of these rental

[ChipButty]

13 minutes ago, Ajvat37 said:

 I guarantee a tm30 is not done on the majority of these rental

Same as hotels not doing it my friend stayed in 2 hotels in Patong last month they had not got a clue what he was talking about

[wombat]

i see nothing about 'in-room' cctv an optional extra?

[ChipButty]

1 hour ago, ehs818 said:

I like the AirBnB concept and have stayed in locations in the USA. I've been pleased! However, on my soi in S. Pattaya there are 2 houses that rent out thru AirBnB and other websites.  Both houses have pools and those get used during the day, and at night. But there needs to be a night time CURFEW ENFORCED. Signs should be posted and a contact number for the owners should be supplied. Some of us go to work in the morning and I've had these renters up screaming loudly past 3:30am. Unacceptable.

I sympathize with you, you can actually set the quiet times in the house rules on airbnb but obviously its not getting enforced and the main problem is host allowing self check in the guest picks the key or a door entry code from somewhere there are many stories where lets say maximum guest allowed is 4 but 10 turn up the host has no way of knowing unless they have cameras on the front entrance.

A villa we had some years ago a booking for 4 and 9 turn up, were you lot going? it's ok we'll sleep on the floor like fuk you will 

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, Maverell said:

I hope they are not promoting short term rentals of condos as it is illegal and a damn nuisance for condo dwellers. https://blog.onnutcondos.com/bangkok-condominiums-are-not-hotels

Chinese are buying up the condos for exactly that reason... Investment in property & rent to their own countrymen.... keeping the money in Chinese hands!

[rossco1]

nice too see but wait for customers to complain about going to see sights and cost associated with it Normally 50 bht for Thai Nationals everyone else 260 bht to go see going to be very short lived Airbnb

[keysersoze276]

You spelled percent wrong three times in a row in the second paragraph.

[keysersoze276]

58 minutes ago, ChipButty said:

I sympathize with you, you can actually set the quiet times in the house rules on airbnb but obviously its not getting enforced and the main problem is host allowing self check in the guest picks the key or a door entry code from somewhere there are many stories where lets say maximum guest allowed is 4 but 10 turn up the host has no way of knowing unless they have cameras on the front entrance.

A villa we had some years ago a booking for 4 and 9 turn up, were you lot going? it's ok we'll sleep on the floor like fuk you will 

Isn't that what the rating system is for?  I have a perfect score from all my hosts.  Then again, I am a lone wolf.  Then again and again and again and again and again, it seems to be super difficult to count Chinese tourists in Thailand.  Or counting domestic tourists.  Or foreign tourists.  Or votes.  Or anything to do with numbers at all.  Anyone have a spare giant vinyl poster I can illustrate this on?  I'm sure it would make more sense.

[Peterphuket]

20 hours ago, Lacessit said:

AirBNB insist on locating an apartment my GF owns about 25 km away from where the map should show it, so they've lost her. Emails fall on deaf ears, or should that be blind eyes. Idiots.

Believe me, how bigger, the more for themselves, I have to use them, but really I hate them, it is the same with every big company.

One big example: Apple.

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, alex8912 said:

Honestly your complaint is lame. It’s too easy to know the exact address of the hospital and exact address of the Air bnb. How in this day and age would you not be able to tell the distance and even time from point A to point B easily?? 

Point taken, there's also the point of being honest when asked the approx. travel time from the apartment concerned to the supposedly very close by hospital with the response; 'ohh it's just around the corner, not more than 5 minutes'.

[ToddinChonburi]

Yes I see ads for illegal hotel rooms in Thailand.

[NCC1701A]

the Base condo in Pattaya is now not a condo. It has morphed into a hotel full of hundreds of Chinese.

 

Condos at the Base on Airbnb advertised in Chinese only. All illegally listed for short term rentals. 

[Beggar]

Airbnb regulations, hotel license regulations, maximum amount that can be charged for water and electricity if you rent a room... There are many laws in Thailand. Sometimes I don't know for what since nobody seems to care. 

[DLock]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Chinese are buying up the condos for exactly that reason... Investment in property & rent to their own countrymen.... keeping the money in Chinese hands!

This is exactly how I see things right now,

 

If the condo block won't allow Airbnb, they move on to the next one who does. So, the condo sales people have no reason to stop Airbnb. 

 

So, unless you get owner groundswell via the committee and pressure on the Juristic people quickly, the problem will be too large and financially convenient.

 

Airbnb is just too big, to powerful and suits the current tourist and condo glut markets. It ain't going anywhere.

 

 

[Beggar]

47 minutes ago, DLock said:

This is exactly how I see things right now,

 

If the condo block won't allow Airbnb, they move on to the next one who does. So, the condo sales people have no reason to stop Airbnb. 

 

So, unless you get owner groundswell via the committee and pressure on the Juristic people quickly, the problem will be too large and financially convenient.

 

Airbnb is just too big, to powerful and suits the current tourist and condo glut markets. It ain't going anywhere.

 

 

In my condo block there is no Airbnb but private companies that rent out rooms. In the end there is no difference to Airbnb. When I look down to the pool pretty much everyone using it stays at rooms of these rental companies. I think to restrict Airbnb alone is not enough... 

[the guest]

AirBNB should be banned. another US disruptor. Middleman parasite making money for nothing. Takes business away from legitimate hotels and guesthouses who pay taxes and register with the local authorities. Thailand take notice !

[madmen]

53 minutes ago, DLock said:

So, unless you get owner groundswell via the committee and pressure on the Juristic people quickly, the problem will be too large and financially convenient.

Absolutely true. They cant stop monthly rentals though only daily weekly and thats the case in our building but still weeklies and dailies slip through even though there are pics in all the lifts showing police arresting law breakers and pics of handcuffs in the lobby with warnings....It STILL doesn't stop some renting daily