webfact Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Paralyzed Humboldt Broncos player moves legs after experimental surgery in Thailand Joel Dryden · CBC News Ryan Straschnitzki was one of 13 players injured when a truck driver blew through a stop sign and into the path of the Humboldt Broncos junior hockey team's bus in Saskatchewan. Sixteen others died. (Twitter) A hockey player from Alberta who was paralyzed in last year's Humboldt Broncos bus crash has begun moving his legs after receiving experimental spinal surgery in Thailand — nearly kicking his therapist and asking if he could hit the gym. Ryan Straschnitzki, a 20-year-old from Airdrie, Alta., was one of 13 junior hockey team players injured when a truck driver blew through a stop sign and collided with the Saskatchewan team's bus, killing 16 others in April 2018. Straschnitzki was paralyzed from the chest down. On Monday, doctors in Thailand implanted an epidural stimulator in Straschnitzki's spine in the hope that it could restore some movement in his legs. With the use of a small device like a remote control, the implant sends electrical currents to the spinal cord to stimulate nerves and move his limbs, bypassing traditional pathways. Full story: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/ryan-straschnitzki-ryan-humboldt-broncos-thailand-airdrie-1.5350117 -- CNBC 2019-11-08 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RotBenz8888 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Good work! Hope he recovers further. Never give up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Best of luck for the future Ryan, hope you can progress and hopefully walk again. Best foot forward mate, onwards and upwards. I more than most can understand what its like to be unable to move, myself paralyzed from the chest down. Sadly i am to old for similar treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMuhammad Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Fantastic!! So happy for him. Until people lose the loss of a limb they can never truly understand the sense of loss and fear that comes with it. keep up the good work Ryan! Have faith in your body and it will respond in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiwrath Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 A real plus for medical specialists and doctors in Thailand, who, contrary to what some TV posters think, can be as good as specialists and doctors in other, supposed more affluent first world countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mok199 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Prairie boys are tough as nails....good luck young man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaoboi Bebobp Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 15 minutes ago, Thaiwrath said: A real plus for medical specialists and doctors in Thailand, who, contrary to what some TV posters think, can be as good as specialists and doctors in other, supposed more affluent first world countries. In support of that notion, a friend had both knees replaced at Bangkok Hospital by a Canadian-trained Thai doctor. The surgery was a great success and my friend sings praises of his surgeon, a young fellow too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, mok199 said: Prairie boys are tough as nails....good luck young man We sure are, especially those of us who grew up playing hockey. What happened to that team was a needless tragedy. A lesson on the results of regulation and government offloading. Similar to the Boeing 737-MAX. Privatizing heavy truck driver licensing to private companies that can be prone to malfeasance has consequences. The Go-Fund-Me campaign for the team brought in $15m in a short period of time. His operation and rehab in Bangkok will cost $125,000. Not sure if the fund or government Medicare will cover the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Thaiwrath said: A real plus for medical specialists and doctors in Thailand, who, contrary to what some TV posters think, can be as good as specialists and doctors in other, supposed more affluent first world countries. I remember reading this article sometime ago and telling my nephew, who is a med school student, that three of the top 14 technically advanced hospitals in the world are in Bangkok. Really amazing if you think of it. https://www.topmastersinhealthcare.com/30-most-technologically-advanced-hospitals-in-the-world/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin case Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 will this be the latest thai invention or just farang technology implanted into a patient here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieH Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 An insensitive and inappropriate remark and subsequent responses have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 hours ago, colinneil said: Best of luck for the future Ryan, hope you can progress and hopefully walk again. Best foot forward mate, onwards and upwards. I more than most can understand what its like to be unable to move, myself paralyzed from the chest down. Sadly i am to old for similar treatment. never too old mate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxcorrigan Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 38 minutes ago, Mavideol said: never too old mate... Yes but in Colin's case the muscles stop functioning after years of no use i would think, not that i'm know anything medical just an opinion, maybe i'm wrong hopefully! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 9 minutes ago, maxcorrigan said: Yes but in Colin's case the muscles stop functioning after years of no use i would think, not that i'm know anything medical just an opinion, maybe i'm wrong hopefully! muscles technically do not stop functioning in spinal injury, its just that the electrical impulses that cause the muscles to move no longer arrive. muscles can be stimulated though by alternate sources of electricity to try to decrease atrophy in the interim hoping a solution is found in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 6 hours ago, pegman said: 8 hours ago, Thaiwrath said: A real plus for medical specialists and doctors in Thailand, who, contrary to what some TV posters think, can be as good as specialists and doctors in other, supposed more affluent first world countries. I remember reading this article sometime ago and telling my nephew, who is a med school student, that three of the top 14 technically advanced hospitals in the world are in Bangkok. Really amazing if you think of it. https://www.topmastersinhealthcare.com/30-most-technologically-advanced-hospitals-in-the-world/ take that list with a grain of salt as technologically advanced in thailands case refers to technology developed elsewhere. seems a lot of centers that should be on that list are not. research in thailands tends to be done jointly with other countries that develop and innovate but may have cumbersome fda rules. original innovation and research is not abundant in thailand. thailand does have some very competent practitioners though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 snippet from . https://www.wingsforlifeworldrun.com/int/en/news/a-history-of-epidural-stimulation-3074/ 1965 Two professors, Prof. Melzack of Canada and Prof. Wal of the USA, come up with the gate control theory. This explores the ideas that pain signals can be managed and reduced if certain stimuli are applied to the spinal cord. 1969 Prof. Grillner in Sweden discovers a network of nerves in the spine – the spinal locomotion centre – that control movement. 1971 At the Gundersen Clinic in the USA, Prof. Shealy implants the first epidural spinal cord stimulator to treat chronic pain. 1981 Sweden’s Prof. Grillner presents the structure and function of the spinal locomotion centre and names it the central pattern generator (CPG). 1987 In Canada, Prof. Rossignol finds that paralysed cats, given the right sensory stimuli on the CPG, can get up and walk again. 1992 Share this quote A clinical practice run by Prof. Wernig in Bonn, Germany, discovers that intense movement training improves the ability of patients with incomplete paralysis to walk. Share this quote 1994 CPG looks like it will actually work when Prof. Calancie in the USA sees hyperextension of the hips trigger a walking movement in a patient with chronic spinal cord injury. 1998 Prof. Dimitrijevic in Houston, USA, for the first time ever, uses an an epidural stimulator with a completely paralysed patient. It triggers rhythmic leg movements that the patient has no control over. 2004 Wings for Life joins the mission to find a cure for spinal cord injury. In one of the first projects sponsored by Wings for Life, research in Vienna by Prof. Dimitrijevic and Prof. Kern shows that epidural stimulation also changes muscle response in the legs. 2006 Canada’s Prof. Rossignol works out that sensory response to the CPG means patients could change their movements to suit the environment, so they can avoid obstacles and adapt to an uneven surface. 2009 In Switzerland, under Prof. Courtine, paralysed rats can make relatively coordinated walking movements and support their own bodyweight under epidural stimulation. 2011 Prof. Harkema helps a patient with complete motor paralysis and partial sensory paralysis regain voluntary movement after seven months of epidural stimulation treatment and training to help them stand. 2014 Share this quote Prof. Harkema’s experimental combined therapy helps three more of her patients, and even sees improvements to the patients’ autonomic nervous system. Share this quote 2015 Profs. Lacour and Courtine in Switzerland develop a flexible stimulator – the e-Dura – made of soft polymers and malleable gold. The e-Dura doesn’t just adapt to the shape and movement of the spinal cord; it can also release pharmacological substances locally. 2016 The Big Idea – a clinical research project involving 36 patients – starts early in the year headed by Prof. Harkema. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwpage3 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 You need to look at the source. Welcome to Top Master's in Healthcare Administration, your #1 trusted resource for finding the latest up-to-date and easy-to-understand information about receiving a degree related to healthcare management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 57 minutes ago, bwpage3 said: You need to look at the source. Welcome to Top Master's in Healthcare Administration, your #1 trusted resource for finding the latest up-to-date and easy-to-understand information about receiving a degree related to healthcare management. yup, noted that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 hour ago, atyclb said: muscles technically do not stop functioning in spinal injury, its just that the electrical impulses that cause the muscles to move no longer arrive. muscles can be stimulated though by alternate sources of electricity to try to decrease atrophy in the interim hoping a solution is found in the future Unfortunately it is not so simplistic. Without the electro impulses muscles atrophy with the exception of those that are involuntarily stimulated. Or artificially stimulated via regular artificial stimulation. Any interface that can be introduced that gives an individual any degree of self induced muscular stimulation is an amazing advancement even if it falls short of full control. The majority who are probably unaware of the issues is that it is not just muscular atrophy but skeletal (bone/ joints) are as much an issue. I was involved in the whole gambit of the issues of both congenital and accidental spinal trauma for 22 years . On both sides there are issues that the vast majority have no real perceptions of. But for those who are and remain cognitive victims of then any who can be provided any degree of real improvement of self function I would applaud that provision. That this is being heralded in Thailand should never never be viewed in some derogative manner. That the surgeons may have been trained and educated in the gutless west that declines innovation for fear of legal suits for failure in the same way treatments for terminal cancers are with held for fear of "side effects" gives me cause to congratulate the Thai initiatives. This sort of issue always brings me back to the question: " who qualified the first specialist surgeon?'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 New interview from hospital. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josephbloggs Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 20 hours ago, justin case said: will this be the latest thai invention or just farang technology implanted into a patient here... Sad sad man. You really need to hear that it is a foreign invention, or foreign technology, to justify your bitter little life and misplaced feeling of superiority over Thais. How utterly shameful and pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 How many degrees can he move his legs? Need lottery numbers, khopkhuncrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Best wishes to him. I hope the procedures eventually give him back full use of his body. Good luck. ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 2:51 AM, justin case said: will this be the latest thai invention or just farang technology implanted into a patient here... Who the h_ll cares?? Does it really matter?? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 7 hours ago, josephbloggs said: On 11/8/2019 at 2:51 PM, justin case said: will this be the latest thai invention or just farang technology implanted into a patient here... Sad sad man. You really need to hear that it is a foreign invention, or foreign technology, to justify your bitter little life and misplaced feeling of superiority over Thais. How utterly shameful and pathetic. as we have read multiple news reports coming from thai medical facilities such as "ebola cure". etc etc it is not unreasonable to wonder about the origin of a procedure or technology. unless you have known a person personally over time it is reaching to say they have a "bitter little life" or feel superior to thais. also would be very interested in where he had this surgery. a university hospital where there is bonafide interest in development and learning or a business driven hospital where they add procedures primarily to drive profit. what is also lacking in the story but very important is an interview or a few words from the doctor that did it speaking about realistic results and % improvement / return of function in prior patients and not just sensationalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pegman Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 4 hours ago, atyclb said: as we have read multiple news reports coming from thai medical facilities such as "ebola cure". etc etc it is not unreasonable to wonder about the origin of a procedure or technology. unless you have known a person personally over time it is reaching to say they have a "bitter little life" or feel superior to thais. also would be very interested in where he had this surgery. a university hospital where there is bonafide interest in development and learning or a business driven hospital where they add procedures primarily to drive profit. what is also lacking in the story but very important is an interview or a few words from the doctor that did it speaking about realistic results and % improvement / return of function in prior patients and not just sensationalism. This has the doctor who had the same procedure done to him and recommended it to the hockey player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmen Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 On 11/8/2019 at 2:51 PM, justin case said: will this be the latest thai invention or just farang technology implanted into a patient here... The first thai basher appears quickly as usual. Absolute proof that the lowest of the low are drawn to thailand like a moth to the flame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallywag Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I am confused, 2 different guys in 2 different videos. Both are having other people move their legs is how I see it. Never saw either of them move their legs on their own? Wish them well, and hopefully this electrical impulse thing will help them in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendejo Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Always good to hear stories of recovery like this. Just don't take off the amulets, Ryan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairieboy Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 I wish him every success. Much to be said for proper training of drivers and Canadian laws have toughened, making it much more difficult to get licensed to drive 'big rigs'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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