7 minutes ago, candide said:

Actually, Barr and Durham can take advantage of not being bound by their report. Whatever they say now, they can always claim later that it was according to the state of information available at that particular time.

And durham has agreed the investigation started legally.

So, in summary, Trump's ridiculous conspiracy claims have been largely debunked in the IG report: the opening of the investigation was adequately predicated and not caused by the Steele report, Trump's phone and the Trump Tower have not been wiretapped,  no political bias,  Peter Strzok and Lisa Page did not initiate the investigation, and no spy has been implanted in the campaign!

Good job, Horowitz!

Could things get any worse for the investigators of the Russia probe into the campaign of then candidate Trump and POTUS!

"Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/statement-us-attorney-john-h-durham

 

"John Durham’s Investigators ‘Do Not Agree’ with DOJ IG’s Findings on Origin of Russia Probe"

“Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S.  Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened,” Durham’s statement concludes".

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/john-durhams-investigators-do-not-agree-with-doj-igs-findings-on-origin-of-russia-probe/

 

Linsey Graham said at the end of the hearing this is just the beginning!

God speed LG

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Could things get any worse for the investigators of the Russia probe into the campaign of then candidate Trump and POTUS!

"Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened.”

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ct/pr/statement-us-attorney-john-h-durham

 

"John Durham’s Investigators ‘Do Not Agree’ with DOJ IG’s Findings on Origin of Russia Probe"

“Our investigation has included developing information from other persons and entities, both in the U.S. and outside of the U.S.  Based on the evidence collected to date, and while our investigation is ongoing, last month we advised the Inspector General that we do not agree with some of the report’s conclusions as to predication and how the FBI case was opened,” Durham’s statement concludes".

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/john-durhams-investigators-do-not-agree-with-doj-igs-findings-on-origin-of-russia-probe/

 

Linsey Graham said at the end of the hearing this is just the beginning!

God speed LG

No true. Horowitz gave evidence that durham agreed with the prefication to start the investigation.

 

Durhams investigators are not durham.

36 minutes ago, Sujo said:

No true. Horowitz gave evidence that durham agreed with the prefication to start the investigation.

 

Durhams investigators are not durham.

Maybe so I can't get a source for your claim,that he agreed with the "pref". Google is only showing Durham rejects some conclusions to the openings according to facts he found that Horowitz couldn't find  because of his limited scope.

 Well anyway here is another

"Horowitz 'surprised' by Durham pushback, says U.S. attorney offered no evidence to change findings"

 

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/dec/11/horowitz-surprised-durham-pushback-says-us-attorne/

 

https://ctmirror.org/2019/12/09/durham-rejects-some-conclusions-of-horowitz-report/

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22 hours ago, Sujo said:

 

23 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Furthermore:

 

Barr is stating that the FBI, rather than give the Trump campaign intelligence briefings as they did with Clinton and Feinstein, wire up people to go into the Trump campaign to get information and when those sources came back with exculpatory information the FBI omitted that exculpatory information.  That is in Horowitz's report.  These are facts.

 

Christopher Steele was not the originator of the dossier information but the rather the aggregator of information from various sources.  The sources used, none of which were verified by the FBI as credible, tossed off the information they fed Steele as rumours, barroom talk and innuendo with zero corroboration.  When the FISA was up for renewal and the FBI had talked to Steele's sources and were told by them that their information was rubbish the FBI told the FISA court that the information provided by Steele's subsources was true.

 

These are facts, also.

 

Significant errors???  How is any of that an error???

 

Again, Horowitz's scope was limited and he insisted it was not within his perview to pass judgement on decisions made by the FBI.  To assume that the Horowitz report is the full story is foolish at best and highly misleading at worst.

 

No evidence anyone was wired up.

 

Along with the rest of your nonsense post.

So many of you guys here are refuting incontrovertible facts, calling incontrovertible facts nonsense, and in general refusing to accept incontrovertible facts.  You guys just go around and around and around spewing all manner of false information.

 

To your refutation that there was no evidence anyone was wired up here is CNN's correction admitting that the Horowitz report did indeed say that FBI informants were wired to record conversations with Page and others.

 

"Correction: An earlier version of this story incorrectly stated that the IG report did not provide evidence that the FBI had its informants wear a wire to record conversations with Page or anyone else it surveilled. It has been corrected to include that the report says FBI informants recorded their conversations with Page and others."

 

And here's CNN's article.  Scroll all the way to the bottom to see the correction.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/10/politics/barr-interview-on-russia-report-fact-check/index.html

 

And you have the audacity to describe my post as "nonsense."  I predict that you will not provide your own correction but simply avoid the issue by not responding to this post.  As is so often the case when inconvenient facts posted are never addressed but ignored while simply going on about something else.

 

Has anybody here ever heard, that the DNC and another anonymous individual have tasked a second investigative firm, besides Fusion GPS, with finding dirt on then candidate Trump? I haven't.

According to the FBI, the FBI became aware of the Steele Dossier in September, thus the dossier was not at all part of the basis for their counter-intelligence operation into the Trump campaign which started at the end of September.

 

In footnote 461, page 310 of the IG Report it states:

The only express direction we found that McCabe gave regarding the use of a CHS concerned a former FBI CHS, who contacted an FBI agent in an FBI field office in late July 2016 to report information from "a colleague who runs an investigative firm ... hired by two entities (the Democratic National Committee [DNC] as well as another individual...[who was] not name[d]) to explore Donald Trump's longstanding ties to Russian entities." ...

Full report and footnote here: https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

 

Just food for thought:
Why is it not made clear in the footnote, that this investigative firm was NOT Fusion GPS?
If it was in fact Fusion GPS, then the FBI's argument, that the Steele Dossier couldn't have played a role in the opening of their counter intelligence operation, would just be another... lie... or little, politically unbiased mistake.
And the IG didn't want to uncover another, very central lie, or honest oopsie, perpetrated by the FBI.
Mr. Horowitz is as [DS] as it gets, but that's just my opinion.

 

HT to Dan Bongino

On 12/13/2019 at 1:08 AM, Sujo said:

No true. Horowitz gave evidence that durham agreed with the prefication to start the investigation.

 

Durhams investigators are not durham.

To start the investigation yes, but the wheels fall off pretty quickly after that.

That's right! No political bias. None. Zip. Zilch, Nada. It was all just a big misunderstanding and the result accidental events. (what were they smoking?) /sarc

 

 

 

 

On 12/14/2019 at 3:05 PM, Andreas2 said:

Has anybody here ever heard, that the DNC and another anonymous individual have tasked a second investigative firm, besides Fusion GPS, with finding dirt on then candidate Trump? I haven't.

According to the FBI, the FBI became aware of the Steele Dossier in September, thus the dossier was not at all part of the basis for their counter-intelligence operation into the Trump campaign which started at the end of September.

 

In footnote 461, page 310 of the IG Report it states:

The only express direction we found that McCabe gave regarding the use of a CHS concerned a former FBI CHS, who contacted an FBI agent in an FBI field office in late July 2016 to report information from "a colleague who runs an investigative firm ... hired by two entities (the Democratic National Committee [DNC] as well as another individual...[who was] not name[d]) to explore Donald Trump's longstanding ties to Russian entities." ...

Full report and footnote here: https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

 

Just food for thought:
Why is it not made clear in the footnote, that this investigative firm was NOT Fusion GPS?
If it was in fact Fusion GPS, then the FBI's argument, that the Steele Dossier couldn't have played a role in the opening of their counter intelligence operation, would just be another... lie... or little, politically unbiased mistake.
And the IG didn't want to uncover another, very central lie, or honest oopsie, perpetrated by the FBI.
Mr. Horowitz is as [DS] as it gets, but that's just my opinion.

 

HT to Dan Bongino

Bongino is one of the foremost experts on the Russian collusion hoax.  While I don't agree with him on some other issues he's a must watch for anyone who wants an accurate understanding of what transpired.  He's an absolute wealth of information with solid sources.

 

I recommend going back and watching each of his shows beginning from when the Horowitz report was released if you haven't already.  I doubt any of the libs here would do so as the truth is extremely painful and may send them to hospital.

2 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

 

Bongino is one of the foremost experts on the Russian collusion hoax.  While I don't agree with him on some other issues he's a must watch for anyone who wants an accurate understanding of what transpired.  He's an absolute wealth of information with solid sources.

 

I recommend going back and watching each of his shows beginning from when the Horowitz report was released if you haven't already.  I doubt any of the libs here would do so as the truth is extremely painful and may send them to hospital.

"the truth is extremely painful"

 

So true.  Trump's campaign manager doing business with Ukrainian mobsters backed by Russia.  Trump's lawyer negotiating a major real estate deal with Moscow while Trump ran his "let's be nice to Russia" campaign.  Trump's son meeting with Russians in the hope of getting dirt on Trump's Democratic opponent.  And now Trump making it clear that military aid to Ukraine is contingent on Ukraine publicly announcing investigations to promote conspiracy theories about Joe Biden and Russia's involvement in the 2016 election.

 

The truth is very painful.

17 minutes ago, heybruce said:

"the truth is extremely painful"

 

So true.  Trump's campaign manager doing business with Ukrainian mobsters backed by Russia.  Trump's lawyer negotiating a major real estate deal with Moscow while Trump ran his "let's be nice to Russia" campaign.  Trump's son meeting with Russians in the hope of getting dirt on Trump's Democratic opponent.  And now Trump making it clear that military aid to Ukraine is contingent on Ukraine publicly announcing investigations to promote conspiracy theories about Joe Biden and Russia's involvement in the 2016 election.

 

The truth is very painful.

I remember hearing about all of that somewhere.  I think it was an article in the New York Times by Maggie Haberman.  Or was it the one by Robert Costa of the Washington Post.  Maybe I heard it on the Maddow show.  Or was it the Morning Joe show on MSNBC?  Anderson Cooper on CNN maybe?  Chris Matthews on MSNBC?  No, probably Don Lemon on CNN.  Could have been CNN's Wolf Blitzer.  Lester Holt on NBC, that's it!  Wouldn't have been the tarnished Brian Williams, that's for sure.  I know, George Stephanopoulos on ABC!

 

Damn!  Hard to remember since they all say the same thing.

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

I remember hearing about all of that somewhere.  I think it was an article in the New York Times by Maggie Haberman.  Or was it the one by Robert Costa of the Washington Post.  Maybe I heard it on the Maddow show.  Or was it the Morning Joe show on MSNBC?  Anderson Cooper on CNN maybe?  Chris Matthews on MSNBC?  No, probably Don Lemon on CNN.  Could have been CNN's Wolf Blitzer.  Lester Holt on NBC, that's it!  Wouldn't have been the tarnished Brian Williams, that's for sure.  I know, George Stephanopoulos on ABC!

 

Damn!  Hard to remember since they all say the same thing.

Of course they are reporting the same thing.  The facts don't change from one reporter to another, unless they are 'alternative facts'.

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

"the truth is extremely painful"

 

So true.  Trump's campaign manager doing business with Ukrainian mobsters backed by Russia.  Trump's lawyer negotiating a major real estate deal with Moscow while Trump ran his "let's be nice to Russia" campaign.  Trump's son meeting with Russians in the hope of getting dirt on Trump's Democratic opponent.  And now Trump making it clear that military aid to Ukraine is contingent on Ukraine publicly announcing investigations to promote conspiracy theories about Joe Biden and Russia's involvement in the 2016 election.

 

The truth is very painful.

Add to it that Giuliani met pro-Russia informers during his recent trip in Kiev, and that Giuliani's associate Parnas conveniently received  $1 million from Russia in September. ????

1 minute ago, candide said:

Add to it that Giuliani met pro-Russia informers during his recent trip in Kiev, and that Giuliani's associate Parnas conveniently received  $1 million from Russia in September. ????

Hey ,how about a source with that dem narrative

37 minutes ago, riclag said:

Hey ,how about a source with that dem narrative

Not a Dem narrative, facts.

Giuliani met with Derkash, known pro-Russia politician, Parnas geting 1 million from Russia reported by US prosecutors.

 

https://www.axios.com/lev-parnas-russia-ukraine-giuliani-15b6d210-a62d-4fcc-b96f-09fc380b9053.html

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-impeachment-marches-forward-washington/story?id=67519317

34 minutes ago, candide said:

Not a Dem narrative, facts.

Giuliani met with Derkash, known pro-Russia politician, Parnas geting 1 million from Russia reported by US prosecutors.

 

https://www.axios.com/lev-parnas-russia-ukraine-giuliani-15b6d210-a62d-4fcc-b96f-09fc380b9053.html

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-impeachment-marches-forward-washington/story?id=67519317

 

Axios

"Prosecutors in the Southern District of New York asked a judge on Wednesday to revoke bail for Lev Parnas for making false statements about his assets, including a $1 million payment he allegedly received from Russia in September".

 

Your rushing to judgement, you claim getting , the article states allegedly receiving,which isn't proven!

 

The abc article talks about Mr. G investigating the Russian hoax! I imagine he will be talking to many people about corruption  from 2016 .There was a lot of it than according to the impeachment inquiry

  "OAN previously confirmed to ABC News that Giuliani is in Europe conducting interviews as part of their investigative documentary series, which seeks to debunk what it describes as "the impeachment hoax" and offer proof of Ukrainian corruption and 2016 election meddling, according to a spokesperson for the network".

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

 

Axios

"Prosecutors in the Southern District of New York asked a judge on Wednesday to revoke bail for Lev Parnas for making false statements about his assets, including a $1 million payment he allegedly received from Russia in September".

 

Your rushing to judgement, you claim getting , the article states allegedly receiving,which isn't proven!

 

The abc article talks about Mr. G investigating the Russian hoax! I imagine he will be talking to many people about corruption  from 2016 .There was a lot of it than according to the impeachment inquiry

  "OAN previously confirmed to ABC News that Giuliani is in Europe conducting interviews as part of their investigative documentary series, which seeks to debunk what it describes as "the impeachment hoax" and offer proof of Ukrainian corruption and 2016 election meddling, according to a spokesperson for the network".

So prosecutors alledge he received 1 million from a Russian account, it 's not a Dem narrative, right?

 

About your second comment, you can imagine what you want but the main suport of Giuliani in Ukraine is a pro-Russia politician.

A must see segment with Rep. John Ratcliffe.  Listen from the 11:50 mark onward which begins with a damning indictment of Schiff knowingly, I repeat, knowingly disseminating false information.  As a Gang of 8 member he had the same information Nunes had and yet he made claims which he knew were false.  Treason.  As I've mentioned earlier, "knowingly" is an important condition to meet when charged with treason.

 

BTW, the rest of the segment is highly informative and noteworthy as well.

 

 

"As part of your rehabilitation, it's crucial that you admit you have a problem - you are hijacking the Intelligence Committee for political purposes while excusing and covering up intelligence agency abuses." -Devin Nunes to Adam Schiff

 

A picture is worth a thousand words.

 

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Link to full Nunes letter to Schiff.

 

Sorry, original link was wrong.  Here's an article in which the full text is cited.  Can't find another source.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-need-rehabilitation-nunes-letter-dismantles-schiff-over-fisa-lies-stroking-steele-and

34 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Link to full Nunes letter to Schiff.

 

Sorry, original link was wrong.  Here's an article in which the full text is cited.  Can't find another source.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/you-need-rehabilitation-nunes-letter-dismantles-schiff-over-fisa-lies-stroking-steele-and

Nunes, somehow that name rings a bell. Wasn't he involved here to such an extend he should have recused himself?

12 hours ago, heybruce said:

"the truth is extremely painful"

 

So true.  Trump's campaign manager doing business with Ukrainian mobsters backed by Russia.  Trump's lawyer negotiating a major real estate deal with Moscow while Trump ran his "let's be nice to Russia" campaign.  Trump's son meeting with Russians in the hope of getting dirt on Trump's Democratic opponent.  And now Trump making it clear that military aid to Ukraine is contingent on Ukraine publicly announcing investigations to promote conspiracy theories about Joe Biden and Russia's involvement in the 2016 election.

 

The truth is very painful.

Again, there is zero evidence of any collusion or crime during the campaign and afterwards. However painful and disappointing that is for you.

 

I wonder if we can apply the same registered foreign agent standard to the podesta group and another dozen of these people who never seem to get investigated for doing the same thing. 

 

You'll have to get over it and find something useful to do with your life for another 5 years. Somehow, I think your emotions will not allow that to happen. 

 

The truth can be very painful aye? 

 

8 hours ago, candide said:

So prosecutors alledge he received 1 million from a Russian account, it 's not a Dem narrative, right?

 

About your second comment, you can imagine what you want but the main suport of Giuliani in Ukraine is a pro-Russia politician.

You mean the hyper partisan SDNY? 

43 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

You mean the hyper partisan SDNY? 

Does it have a particular record for making fake allegations when they make a request to a judge?

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

Nunes, somehow that name rings a bell. Wasn't he involved here to such an extend he should have recused himself?

And to what extent would that be?  What has Nunes done that would demand his recusal?  Evidence, please, stevenl.  Don't bother replying if all you have is fake stories or innuendo.

1 hour ago, elmrfudd said:

Again, there is zero evidence of any collusion or crime during the campaign and afterwards. However painful and disappointing that is for you.

 

I wonder if we can apply the same registered foreign agent standard to the podesta group and another dozen of these people who never seem to get investigated for doing the same thing. 

 

You'll have to get over it and find something useful to do with your life for another 5 years. Somehow, I think your emotions will not allow that to happen. 

 

The truth can be very painful aye? 

 

I didn't call any of those events proven crimes.  However they certainly happened, and look much worse than the imagined crimes of Joe and Hunter Biden.  There is zero evidence the Bidens did anything illegal.

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